Petopians US - Interest in current content raiding.

Unread post by **Ryno** » Wed May 18, 2011 7:45 pm

So I wanted to see how the current members of the guild feel about raiding current content (Cataclysm raids) with the guild. I'll go into details about it below, but in general I just wanted to see how much interest there is. I usually shy away from making a core raid group in this guild, but I realize the problems I see in that can be overcome with effort. Please also note, if we do go ahead with this, it won't be happening for some weeks as I prepare.

How it would work if we had enough interest:

I would lead a core 10 man group with a paladin alt I'm leveling, which would take up the role of tanking. The first ten people that ask to join would get in, as long as we have a slot open for them. I would also like to point out, due to the nature of the guild, we may have a large number of hunters wanting in, leading to high competition in hunter gear. Just putting that out there.

Once the first 10 man group is formed, if we had a large number of others wanting to raid, I would attempt to form a 2nd 10 man group, and pick a leader for it. In the event we don't have enough people of certain roles for a group, we would have a bench warmer group for replacements when someone can't make it.

Of course, if we have two 10 man groups formed, and have some extra, a 25 man group wouldn't be out of the question. Perhaps every month or so there could be a 25 man group run.

If we get at least 1 10 man group made, there will be a thread for them, with the first post updated with current information, such as what boss will be attempted on the next night of raiding, who to talk to about information, and a link to the boss fight. Things like that.

At this time there I do not plan to have a voice chat requirement for the raids. I know a few members can't use them for various reasons, and wouldn't want to exclude them over that. My raid team would be done with chat and raid warnings. The second group would have freedom to choose to use one or not. It would complicate things for the 25 man runs though.

Anyhow, vote and post any ideas you have and such. Please note the voting is only for members of the Petopians US guild.

Unread post by **Ceravan** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:06 pm

Well, don't have much in the way of cata experience, and my Lich King experience is varied. But I'm willing to tank them with Genesis, as he's going to be my non hunter main. I don't ret or heal with Genesis, and so if anything i'll tank with Genesis or bring Nugget, only two i'm even remotely concerend in bringing. It however also depends on times as my times are varied due to the baby's medical needs. My best times available server would be between 8 to 10ish server time.

Unread post by **Teigan** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:10 pm

Unread post by **zedxrgal** » Wed May 18, 2011 9:54 pm

My raiding experience is EXTREMELY limited and my dps pretty low but I'm more then willing to give it a try. I'm not a bagel fan so would there be cookies or cake involved?

Unread post by **Ikutai** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:49 am

I raided in Vanilla, BC, and Wrath. The server I came from, I was in the top raiding guild for that server, and in one of the top 1000 Raiding Guilds in the World.

... you could say I have some experience.

Also, I'm happy to raid on Steampunk, my shaman (ele). OR Petrolpunk, my priest(disc).

Unread post by **Litlemouse** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:47 am

Moar bagels! With cream cheese!!!
I don't have any raiding experience, but when Hordemouse (or another alt) reaches a decent level I'd love to come :3

Unread post by **Korii** » Thu May 19, 2011 5:56 am

Would anyone be surprised at my answer?

Nope, no thanks, not interested in the slightest.

Unread post by **Tsiya** » Thu May 19, 2011 6:57 am

Awww, c'mon Kor, will be fun! I've had experience in Vanilla raiding, but my available times don't seem to match any of the events planned so far. If I'm on and you can use me, holler!

Also, moar bagels plz!

http://dragcave.net/user/foru21dr · Unread post by **Foru21dr** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:57 am

I definitely want to do this but I have no experience at all. I also want to play with my Pally on the raids. Been gearing (pvp, I know.. bad) in healing gear and am willing to try my hand at that, at least as an off healer until I can get better geared. Will swap over to off tank and gear for it, if that is what the group needs more.

I'm in.

Unread post by **Moonlost** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:09 am

I'd be interested in joining in with Moonlost. My only issues are that I'm not entirely too sure that I'd be able to make all the raid nights, and that I kinda need to get geared. But I'd be willing to do whatever job you need. Tanking, heals, DPS, all good.
I've been raiding since BC. I've had the most experience DPSing, but I've also healed and tanked on occasion.

I have a few questions I'd like to bring up, but I feel it'll be better to wait until we know for sure this is happening.

Unread post by **Korii** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:28 am

Tsiya wrote:Awww, c'mon Kor, will be fun!

See....that's the problem...i don't find that stuff fun.....so...yeah....still not interested. =oP

Unread post by **Ikutai** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:58 am

Korii, even if you don't want to raid, will you be our leather-clad wearing cheerleader? Please?

Unread post by **Ceravan** » Thu May 19, 2011 11:00 am

with a pink tutu?

Unread post by **Ikutai** » Thu May 19, 2011 11:21 am

Ceravan wrote:with a pink tutu?

Nah, we save that for Thraxas.

Unread post by **Jelani** » Thu May 19, 2011 12:23 pm

I did not put an answer in the poll because I cannot truthfully answer. I would like to go, yes. I have raided through Wrath and BC, but never Vanilla. And the raiding was casual.

THe big reason I am unsure is I just got a new job. and I still dont know my hours.

Another thing that worries me is all the hunters. I would need to see a set loot system that everyone agrees on. Because people will get hurt otherwise..And free rolls wont do it. Random is to freaking random. the same person could still get everything.

People may say oh I will be fine with the free rolls. til they never win anything. Then you will have people refusing to come anymore or worse, claiming us unfair and leaving the guild. Trust me, I have seen it.

So again, I would like to go, but my hours are uncertain and I would need to see the loot system you are setting up first.

Unread post by **Ryno** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:32 pm

Jelani wrote:I would need to see a set loot system that everyone agrees on.

A variation of Suicide Kings is probably what I would use.

Basically, for every boss you are there to kill, you earn DKP. If you roll on something you want an win, your DKP is completely wiped.

So for example, let's say Hunter A and Hunter B are in the raid group.

Hunter A - DKP: 0

Hunter B - DKP: 0

And, they kill one boss together.

Hunter A - DKP: 1

Hunter B - DKP: 1

Loot drops! Both roll! Hunter A wins!

Hunter B - DKP: 1

Hunter A - DKP: 0

They kill another boss together!

Hunter B - DKP: 2

Hunter A - DKP: 1

More loot! Hunter B wins because they had more DKP!

Hunter A - DKP: 1

Hunter B - DKP: 0

And so on and so forth. For people joining in as replacements, it doesn't favor them, and I'd have to work something else out. This is just to give a general idea.

Unread post by **Ceravan** » Thu May 19, 2011 3:32 pm

What works in my old guild doesn't use DKP and that allows for people to join in at a later time.

tryin to describe it is a different story, lol, so here goes

Hunter A, Hunter B, Hunter C all need the Shiny Bow from the first boss.

Hunter B wins the roll.

Second Boss Drops a Fancy Gun.

Hunter A and Hunter C roll on the gun, Hunter A wins.

Third Boss drops pretty gloves.

Hunter C hasn't won anything yet, but has better gloves than what dropped so...

Hunter A and Hunter B do a Greed Roll for the gloves.

Essentially, in the end, You get 1 NEED roll, 1 GREED roll, and then if somethin drops that NOONE else is gonna need (ie it will get DE'd otherwise) it's free game.

Loot Master keeps track of who used their need roll and who used their greed rolls and it's fairly smooth.

basically loot master will announce in raid chat, SHINY BOW has dropped, roll your NEED roll, or something like that. If noone needs, then he'll announce roll your GREED roll. if noone rolls for that, last chance roll, will be de'd otherwise. So long as loot master is keeping track, the system can't be abused. And people can come in the middle and nothing has to change about the loot rolls.

Unread post by **Moonlost** » Thu May 19, 2011 4:51 pm

@ Ceravan; My old guild did the same thing. Although pretty fair in the short term, it can be hard to keep track of how much loot everyone is getting over the course of months.

I actually quite like the idea of the Ni Karma system myself. Always wanted to try it. Still gives people new to the raid a chance to roll on an item, but people who regularly turn up get a better shot at it.

Unread post by **Jelani** » Thu May 19, 2011 5:48 pm

My old guild had Suicide Kings, I didnt mind that. A little iffy on the DKP part Ryno suggested..but I can see how it goes

Unread post by **Ceravan** » Thu May 19, 2011 6:13 pm

way i see it is if we last into the long run, our loot system will most likely have evolved considering the amount of hunters vs other dps, and people will tend to rotate their alts in and out if they feel that there is too much competition for a particular piece of gear. I have 3 toons that can tank it although my main tank on Nesingwary will be Genesis. I won't heal it, but i have a variety of dps that I can bring to alleviate competition.

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