Quick question [PTR]

[Pent]

I think part of the issue with the Red/Black/Brown Madexxes are that the colors and detail gets lost a little bit since he's kinda small. Green and Blue show up better, so are more popular.

Wain: Any chance to ask Noah about scaling up Madexx 10%-20%? That bit of a size increase would help a lot. (Shale spiders could use that bump too).

One thing at a time.

Fix the colors and the spawn time first.

[Pent]

Oh, I forgot to ask...if any of you are on the PTR and have been "looking" for Madexx to spawn...

Have you seen him spawn in blue or bronze? The one I tamed on the PTR was red... so... I am curious... you know...

[Kalliope]

My PTR Madexx was black, but that was before Noah discovered the error.

[Pent]

My PTR Madexx was black, but that was before Noah discovered the error.

As far as anyone knows, the "error" was the stabled Madexxs changing color...

I am hoping what actually went down at Blizzard was they talked about making the bronze and blue common colors (or color changers), so someone had the authority to make only the green, red, and black spawn as Madexx...

And then someone decided to link the bronze and blue NPC IDs to green and red... without knowing they weren't supposed to do that...

It would be nice to know...because I (and many others) could just wait for 4.0.6 to camp some more.

On a side note... in the passed few days I have been around when three Madexxs spawn at exactly 14hrs 10mins apart from each other... all three were tamed (not be me), and today I log in at 14h10m mark (actually a little before that) and BAM!!!

Nothing spawns...



EDIT... let me rephrase...

I am hoping what actually went down at Blizzard was they talked about making the bronze and blue common colors (or color changers), so someone had the authority to make only the green, red, and black spawn as Madexx...

And then someone decided to link the bronze and blue NPC IDs to green and red... without knowing they weren't supposed to do that...

I am hoping what actually went down at Blizzard was they talked about making the bronze and blue common colors (or color changers), so someone had the authority to make only the green, red, and black spawn as Madexx... and then link the bronze and blue that were spawning as Madexx to green and red, so that person did just that and it ended up changing the pets that were already tamed... when they really meant... "Don't make the bronze and blue spawn as Madexx anymore".

[Slickrock]

Pent, with all due respect, you are taking the actions of the developers a bit too personally... developers play around with ideas, some guy hears half the discussion and makes an incorrect change, and eventually it's corrected, or not.

Frankly, they are in a no-win situation now with many of you. If you have a blue or brown, you are either:

a) upset that the color was gonna change, but are now ok
b) upset that they aren't changing the color, because you really wanted green or red
c) upset now because your blue or brown will now match a color changer, or will be more upset if they fix the color changer

The only people OK now are the ones that wanted green or red or black.. and found them.

If I was a developer I'd never come near these forums.

[Cialbi]

If I was a developer I'd never come near these forums.

These forums have a rather mild-mannered community compared to some others.

[Novikova]

Yeah, I'd say especially compared to the official. While I hope bronze stays changing to green, I'd like blue left alone. Granted there /are/ a few fans of bronze but... eh.

Granted, I really like red too, so I wouldn't be TOO crushed.

[Pent]

Pent, with all due respect, you are taking the actions of the developers a bit too personally... developers play around with ideas, some guy hears half the discussion and makes an incorrect change, and eventually it's corrected, or not.

Frankly, they are in a no-win situation now with many of you. If you have a blue or brown, you are either:

a) upset that the color was gonna change, but are now ok
b) upset that they aren't changing the color, because you really wanted green or red
c) upset now because your blue or brown will now match a color changer, or will be more upset if they fix the color changer

The only people OK now are the ones that wanted green or red or black.. and found them.

If I was a developer I'd never come near these forums.

Pfft, I am not taking anything personally.

I am talking about if the error wasn't an "oops, I typed that wrong" kind of error, then something is going on at Blizzard regarding the color of the Madexxs. I am not saying it is a conspiracy... I am just saying they are working on a solution to something... or the colors would have never changed.

When everything is said and done and we have everything sorted out... we'll see.

All I am doing is gathering information and seeing if the mistake was actually done right, but also done wrong at the same time.

I also find it funny that even if I was to tame the green Madexx within the next couple of days I would still be curious enough to be asking the EXACT same questions I am asking now, because others want to know.

The only thing that will change for me when I get the green Madexx is my desire to leave Uldum and not being able to... and the sadness I feel when my NPCScan goes off and I whip around and see a character killing something I could have tamed...
Can anyone name another person that has been at trying to tame a certain color of Madexx as long as I have... because I have proof in my "Where are you?" thread.

I am just asking if someone on the PTR has tamed a bronze or blue Madexx since the color changers have shown up.

I have already came to the conclusion that the bronze Madexxs will stay bronze and the blue will stay blue (according to the "error" that Noah said was an "error")... that isn't what I am asking about...

Most of you aren't asking the questions anymore because you have the Madexx(s) you want... if everyone on these boards all had every single rare you could possibly tame... would you quit asking questions?

I don't think you would... and you shouldn't.

EDIT: You also mentioned a no-win situation with many of "us". A month ago "us" was made up of more than me and a few others. You are right, it is a no-win situation, but not just for "us" but for everyone who has a Madexx or will be taming one. Everyone is affected to some degree.

Even class changes is a no-win situation to many people... but people deal with it... just like we will deal with it...
Whatever happened to all of those people on the Rak'shiri and the Grim Totem Spirit Wolf/Karoma thread that were complaining about losing their skin or uniqueness? Are they still upset? Did they move on? Did they ever get what they wanted 100%?

Heh. I am not upset with anyone... and I hope I am not upsetting anyone, because I really don't mean to... but sometimes you have to look around the Madexx you tamed to see the bigger picture.... and hope it doesn't like scorpion gumbo.

[Nanotrev]

Honestly, I think all we'd have to do is let them know we liked it quite well the way it was beforehand when we could tame whatever kind of color we pleased. I dislike the fact that any color may become easier to get. That's all part of the fun to me. If I hadn't worked that hard then it wouldn't be as rewarding. Regardless, other people may not feel that way. I won't touch on that subject.

I'd simply like Madexx go back to the way he was, or perhaps how they were depending on how you see it. I like the long spawn timer and our option of colors. However, I do despise color-changing pets. All in all it won't bother me much for too long but it would be nice if I got to keep my yellow Madexx since I camped for him over a period of several days. After that, I wouldn't mind scaling him and the rest of the scorpids up a bit because scorpids in WoW seem quite small in general after they're tamed. This is especially true when they're compared to most of the other pets post-tame. I agree that shale spiders could be bigger as well.

[Pent]

Honestly, I think all we'd have to do is let them know we liked it quite well the way it was beforehand when we could tame whatever kind of color we pleased. I dislike the fact that any color may become easier to get. That's all part of the fun to me. If I hadn't worked that hard then it wouldn't be as rewarding. Regardless, other people may not feel that way. I won't touch on that subject.

I have never liked this camp now or "beforehand". I have been through some serious camping too... and this one plains sucks. Nothing about it is even remotely like other camps. Think how it would be like if Loque'nahak camping was like this... with all of his spawn points in an archeology dig site... the spawn points being far enough apart where you don't know if he has been killed, tamed, or if he has even spawned... spawns about 200y away from the main town in a zone... spawns smack dab in the center of a questing area... spawns on a farming route for herbing, mining, and skinning... oh... and then throw in that Loque'nahak has 5 different colors and only spawns between 6 and 24 hours after he was last killed and tamed. The Madexx camp is wrong in so many ways.

Just a few simple questions and it won't take long to answer them even...

You say you spent several days camping til you got the "yellow" (I am guessing you mean bronze) Madexx... How many other Madexxs did you see alive and could have tamed, but you didn't? Did you just leave them alone? Did you give them to another hunter?

You also said that you see camping for a rare "fun". Would you still see it as being fun if you had to constantly fly around and not do anything else for several WEEKS? You wouldn't want to leave the area knowing that the rare could spawn at any time, so you kept it up... and up... then two months later after looking at sand for two months you finally see your yellow/bronze Madexx and before you got to him to tame one of your own faction swooped down and killed it.

Would it still be fun?

You are right. Camping for rares is fun. Camping and fighting with other classes over the rares (that don't even drop gear or anything "exciting") while camping for a certain color over several weeks is not fun. It wouldn't be fun to anyone unless they were a masochist.

That being said. I am not having fun, but I am also not giving up on the green. Aotona took 7 weeks... Madexx still has 3-4 weeks left to catch up, but I won't have 4000 ore to show for it this time around.


And come on... no one on these boards can not sit there and say that I do not have valid points about camping Madexx.

[Wain]

Ok, last I heard (and I'm not saying the situation won't change, but this is the last I heard) Madexx will retain ALL his current possible colours. Even if some were removed from his spawn possibilities, the NPCs of those colours would just be removed from spawning and not have their skins changed, so anyone with that colour already would NOT have it changed from under them.

[Kurasu]

Ok, last I heard (and I'm not saying the situation won't change, but this is the last I heard) Madexx will retain ALL his current possible colours. Even if some were removed from his spawn possibilities, the NPCs of those colours would just be removed from spawning and not have their skins changed, so anyone with that colour already would NOT have it changed from under them.

.... except that on the PTR, some people's Madexxes have already changed colors. Are they going to change that back? >.>

[Kalliope]

Ok, last I heard (and I'm not saying the situation won't change, but this is the last I heard) Madexx will retain ALL his current possible colours. Even if some were removed from his spawn possibilities, the NPCs of those colours would just be removed from spawning and not have their skins changed, so anyone with that colour already would NOT have it changed from under them.

.... except that on the PTR, some people's Madexxes have already changed colors. Are they going to change that back? >.>

Wouldn't be the first change reverted on the PTR. ^_^

[Kurasu]

Wouldn't be the first change reverted on the PTR. ^_^

Oh, indeed! The comment was as much making sure they did it and bringing that to attention again, rather than saying 'WE'RE DOOOOOOOMED!' or something.

... although I'm sure they've heard from a number of angry hunters by now.

[Pent]

Wouldn't be the first change reverted on the PTR. ^_^

Oh, indeed! The comment was as much making sure they did it and bringing that to attention again, rather than saying 'WE'RE DOOOOOOOMED!' or something.

... although I'm sure they've heard from a number of angry hunters by now.

Angry hunters? Aren't we all angry in some way.

Blizzard has a way of doing what they think the majority will be less angry with... and who is to say the majority are the ones who wanted to retain the original skins.

At this point (and I think I have said this before), I would be happy if Blizzard left the tamed skins alone, adjust which skins would spawn, and lower the spawn timeframe. I never wanted a free ride to acquire a green Madexx, I just wanted a less stressful camping experience and a camp that wasn't wanting me to go into full-on PvP/F4A (free for all) and just start killing everyone in Uldum.

[Slickrock]

That being said. I am not having fun, but I am also not giving up on the green. Aotona took 7 weeks... Madexx still has 3-4 weeks left to catch up, but I won't have 4000 ore to show for it this time around.


And come on... no one on these boards can not sit there and say that I do not have valid points about camping Madexx.

Yeah, my JCer has lots and lots of gems from the ore I mined while looking for him. (Same can be said from my days looking for Krush and the TLPD, and it's the reason my hunter will always be a miner). And my bank is a lot fatter from selling the volatiles.

The camping has gotten tougher, but we've also never had a rare spawn that was shared by 5 different NPCs. That's new ground. The variation of the timer is certainly more frustrating too. Then again, we are more educated campers now too. Perhaps if there wasn't NPCScan and Silverdragon, Blizz would not have such crazy timers.

Speaking of camping.. I'm on to Aeonaxx.. that's proving to be just as tough..

[Wain]

OK, latest update. I had to double check what I thought I knew and check what I could say:
1. The new common spawn Venomscale Spitter will be moving to a single, stable colour: brown. The least flashy of all Madexx's colours
2. However Madexx will continue to spawn in all 5 colour possibilities (including the brown), with all NPC ids retaining their current colour from live. Whatever colour you tamed in 4.0.3 will be the same in 4.0.6, regardless of what it is on the current PTR patch. If you find Madexx in brown, in 4.0.6 you're gonna be a bit unlucky. Then again most people seem to have a single colour in mind when they look for Madexx, so any other colour they find is already a bit unlucky. I feel bad for them

I suspect some people are gonna be upset about the double brown thing, but at least it's not going to come as a surprise now.

[ummeiko]

I'm going to go out on a limb and be a bit rare here:

I'm happy for a stable brown common. While I may still hunt the black eventually, I like brown. To me, green and blue just seemed a bit too... I dunno, bright. Brown is earthy and seems more scorpion-like to me.

Then again, I've never seen madexx in the wild. The joys of being on Illidan. Even between levelling 3 (almost) 85s, the farming routes, and endless hours flying over the area for archaeology (CURSE YOU CANOPIC JARS)... the only time NPC scan has gone off has been in org. I've shifted my hunter out to circling Sholazar for now.

[Kalliope]

He's still Madexx, not a common scorpid. So hopefully those with brown Madexx won't be TOO disappointed! After all, hunters already have a tendency to tame rares that look exactly like other mobs.

Thanks again for the heads up!

[Pent]

Wow... at least I have my common Madexx already.

That is one less thing to tame.


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BTW... If any of you haven't noticed... this sucks.

Hey Noah. Tell everyone at Blizzard that was involved in this decision thanks.

Because from the way I see it.. this is the best thing that could have happened for everyone involved.

Not really... that was me being sarcastic.

I will now go out and kill every single scorpion I see in the game..... twice.


Is it my turn to start crying about how I spent a good solid two weeks of camping to get green, but got the crappy brown color instead... and as unexcited as I was at the time I was still happy that I was able to nab a rare pet. Then Blizzard decides that since evidently a lot of people (myself included) think the brown is the best choice for a common color they go ahead and decide to not only use the brown as the common color... BUT also keep it in as a Madexx color... color me dumbfounded.

As fun as playing a hunter is... and as many rare pets I have... I think it may be time to not play the class anymore... I have never been this upset (game-wise, not real life upset) over something so small.... and to think I use to tell people who was upset how their class got "nerfed" to just relearn it and they would do just fine.

This is a slap in the face to a lot of people not even including myself. Why not make every rare in the game respawn every 10min. If they are going to do this with Madexx just think what they COULD do to all of your pets that you have acquired since you started playing. Just desserts, people... Just desserts.

BTW... I am fine, but I whole-heartedly disagree with this. The least they can do is lower the spawn time to under 8 hours.