AP or AGILITY in sockets
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AP or AGILITY in sockets
I`m kinda new guy in hunter stuff, so i read a lot about whats the best spec / playstyle / gear / sockets etc. so thing is that i have heard that AP is better than agility for BM hunters... MBY some pro bm hunters can spear some they`r experience with me...
ps. if u post somthing pliz explain u`r opinion...
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
1 Agility = 1 Attack Power
As far as I know this is also true:
1 Agility = 2 Armour
besides raising your crit-chance (1 Agility = .01058 Crit%) and your dodge-chance but
1 Attack Power = 0 Armour
Pets Gain:
- 22% of hunter AP (benefits from both)
- 45% of hunter Stamina (no benefit)
- 40% of hunter resistances (no benefit)
- 45% of hunter armor (benefits from agility)
- 12.85% of hunter AP as spelldamage (benefits from both)
- 100% of hunter resilience (no benefit)
- 100% of hunter hit rating, as hit and expertise – but drop fractions. Thus if you have +5.99% hit your pet gets only 5%. (no benefit)
So, I go for Agility whenever I can.
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
Well, Ryno?vuciitis wrote:if u post somthing pliz explain u`r opinion
WHY would AP be better? I don't see it, because with every AG I gain, I gain an AP too.
Could you please explain, because I'm really curious now.
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
Karathyriel wrote:Well, Ryno?vuciitis wrote:if u post somthing pliz explain u`r opinion
WHY would AP be better? I don't see it, because with every AG I gain, I gain an AP too.
Could you please explain, because I'm really curious now.
I'd actually like to hear that too please! I've been told that AP is better for BM hunters since your attack power is translated to your pet too. But the same thing would occur with agility, which also benefits other stats. So how does this work?
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
As an experiment, I loaded my hunter and his gear into the femaledwarf.com spreadsheet and swapped his gems to AGI gems (as it happens, I prefer to gem for AP normally). With the typical raid buffs I run with, the difference in DPS between my normal AP gems and the experimental AGI gems was tiny. Literally, I do .001 more DPS gemming for AP than I do gemming AGI.
The AP gemming will hurt you more if you happen to lose your pet, because gemming in that fashion means more of your overall damage will come from your pet. AGI gemming means you will be responsible for more of your overall damage and your pet won't hit quite as hard.
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/sagenodTahlian wrote:If I recall correctly, it's because your pet gets a greater percentage of straight attack power than it does gain attack power from its Agility.
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
If you have Excel, download the Hunter DPS spreadsheet from Elitist Jerks and play with it. It's an excellent tool for making gear, gemming, and enchanting decisions. You can also use the online version at femaledwarf.com. Using the spreadsheet, I get 5 more dps by gemming and enchanting for agility but we're talking 5 dps for a Hunter who has a theoretical dps rate of over 10k. It does show however, that AP is no longer better for any of the Hunter specs.
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
Survival Hunters are best going with AGI.
Marksman Hunters are best going AP.
BM can be either/or, as they get pretty much the same benefits from both. It's more your personnal choice then anything.
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
I think that's very wrong for MM. They are much better off with AGI than AP, and depending on how much passive ArP they have, many MM Hunters will gem for that until their passive ArP hits about 650. Then they will go AGI. MM can choose between ArP or Crit but I have never heard of any MM Hunters gemming AP.dragonpuff wrote:With regard to AGI and AP, this is what I've seen at most places I looked:
Survival Hunters are best going with AGI.
Marksman Hunters are best going AP.
BM can be either/or, as they get pretty much the same benefits from both. It's more your personnal choice then anything.
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
Would you suggest pouring all your gems/enchantments/whatever into one or the other? (Like, ALL AGI or ALL AP). Or would splitting between the two fairly evenly be better?
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
If you only have one spec and it's BM, it really doesn't matter much. If you have dual spec then AGI is better for both MM and SV so gemming for that exclusively is the way to go.VelkynKarma wrote:Okay so here's a different question then. For BM specced hunters, you guys are all suggesting that more or less it's a matter of preference, and where you want more of your damage to come from: you or your pet.
Would you suggest pouring all your gems/enchantments/whatever into one or the other? (Like, ALL AGI or ALL AP). Or would splitting between the two fairly evenly be better?
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Re: AP or AGILITY in sockets
gives you less AP (epic gems-wise 40 AP or 20 AGIL)
but it gives you armor, crit, and dodge with that AP
for PvE I use the AGIL (which may be bad because I should be stacking AP) to get that extra crit% in
you don't need armor or dodge because you shouldn't be hit at all if everyone does their job right (cept AoE and the like)
though for PvP you should use the Agil gems for sure
you need everything the agility gives you
because in PvP people do smack you
lots
so with me, either way, Agility