Do Wyverns fit in the new Feathermane family?

[SpiritBinder]

Editor's note: I split this discussion off from the Tome of Hybrid Beast poll, since it was off-topic and pretty much dominating the other discussion. As a result some posts have been duplicated and will appear in both threads. Some may have been split/edited to only leave the discussion pertinent to the topic. So if anything appears a bit off it's probably my fault - Wain

I'd prefer Wyverns be removed, they are not feathermanes.... in fact they are not feather anythings.

I would certainly wish to see them included, (how about add them to rylaks, or chimeras.... it's not like other families don't have single and double headed versions within, like carrion birds.) but add them to something that actually makes sense and doesn't contradict their idea all together.

I don't mind having inclusive groups form family types, but when blizzard starts throwing in....

Owlcats, Gryphons, Hippogriffs AND Wolfhawks!

....all into one MASSIVE family, yet they have a porcupine family... Not a Rous Family, Not Rodentian... just porcupines.

I don't know, I guess I'd just prefer they even things out a bit more.

They have so many clean simple families they can use/explore.... yet they always seem to do the opposite.

And not to be a dampener on this new and fantastic family... but with they even have a family ability, or be just as defunked as every other family they gave us this expansion.

[Wain]

I also think wyverns would fit better elsewhere.

[Valnaaros]

Agreed. Wyverns would fit better with Rylaks and Chimera, not with a family that is based on the species having feathers.

[zedxrgal]

Echoing the same as SB, Wain and Valnaaros said. I don't really agree Wyverns were put in this family. I too feel they should be grouped with Chimeras /Rylaks (<-- really these two should be merged).

I still feel blizzard just needs to create mega families.

[Rikaku]

None. And I'd prefer Wyverns be removed,they are not feathermanes.... in fact they are not feather anythings.

I would certainly wish to see them included, (how about add them to rylaks, or chimeras.... it's not like other families don't have single and double headed versions within, like carrion birds.) but add them to something that actually makes sense and doesn't contradict their idea all together.

I don't mind having inclusive groups form family types, but when blizzard starts throwing in....

Owlcats, Gryphons, Hippogriffs AND Wolfhawks!

....all into one MASSIVE family, yet they have a porcupine family... Not a Rous Family, Not Rodentian... just porcupines.

I don't know, I guess I'd just prefer they even things out a bit more.

Yes I would LOVE to see Pterrorwings/Pterrordax and Roc's in game.... but why not have a Roc family? Maybe move Teroclaws into it as well as they are massive and would make sense to add in also, and dare I say, dread ravens?

Why not have a Pterrorsaur family? Add in Pterrorwings, Pterrordax and possibly even Falcosaurs?

They have so many clean simple families they can use/explore.... yet they always seem to do the opposite.

And not to be a dampener on this new and fantastic family... but with they even have a family ability, or be just as defunked as every other family they gave us this expansion.

Just going to quote SpiritBinder because this is my feelings 100%. XD

[pop]

no because I think Wyverns and Wolfhawks should be in a different group altogether.

[Rawr]

I'm not sure why everyone seems all butt-hurt about the name. Neither Hippogryphs nor Gryphons have manes, true they have feathers but Wyverns have manes and not feathers. Only Owlcats and Wolfhawks have both. Using the name Feathermanes lets them put all of these models into one family, so they don't have to make a Tome of (insert beast here) for every one. It makes sense that they would do it this way and not add in tons of extra items for one class.

Side note, Wain the green Wolfhawk is labeled as blue, so there are two blues, I didn't see any other issues.

[Wain]

I'm not sure why everyone seems all butt-hurt about the name. Neither Hippogryphs nor Gryphons have manes, true they have feathers but Wyverns have manes and not feathers. Only Owlcats and Wolfhawks have both. Using the name Feathermanes lets them put all of these models into one family, so they don't have to make a Tome of (insert beast here) for every one. It makes sense that they would do it this way and not add in tons of extra items for one class.

The name is mostly irrelevant, it's more that the rest of the beasts seem to fit well together. All are bird/mammal hybrids, and aside from wolfhawks they could conceivably all be related species. Wyverns are just very different to the rest. They have bat-like wings, no feathers, and stinger tails. Aside from the lack of a second head they're a lot more like chimaeras in that regard. Whether or not they do belong together, those two groups are certainly a lot closer than wyverns are to the rest of the feathermanes.

LIke:


But if the new family is just about hybrid beasts and not feathers, then chimaeras would actually fit with them as well.

[Valnaaros]

Well said, Wain.

[Lupen202]

But if the new family is just about hybrid beasts and not feathers, then chimaeras would actually fit with them as well.
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Yeah, why not just change the family name from Feathermane to hybrids? Then problem solved. Especially when the tome is "of Hybrid Beasts".

Lion + eagle, Wolf + hawk, Scorpion + lion (+ bat?), bird + horse... They all fit perfectly in that regard.

[SpiritBinder]

I'm not sure why everyone seems all butt-hurt about the name. Neither Hippogryphs nor Gryphons have manes, true they have feathers but Wyverns have manes and not feathers. Only Owlcats and Wolfhawks have both. Using the name Feathermanes lets them put all of these models into one family, so they don't have to make a Tome of (insert beast here) for every one. It makes sense that they would do it this way and not add in tons of extra items for one class.

Laugh! I'm not personally butt hurt (I've learnt to relax over the years so blizzard doesn't sting so much )

However I don't think that Feathermanes is a very good name for the group either to be frank.

It's likely been used so they can just stuff a bunch of otherwise non related beasts together in one family. They have these new wolf/eagles they want to show off, and they don't really fit with much else, so instead of making a family call Gryphs (Gryphons, Hippogryph and even Owlcats [which look like hieracosphinx and are classified Gryphons by most]) All of these have avian heads, but the new Wolf/eagle does not, it's the odd one out.

The stand out as mentioned were the Wyvern, they don't have any feathers, so even more perplexing and my reply to the kinda biased poll.

It's folly for me/us to try and make any kind of sense out of blizzards ideas and directions, they are confusing and irrational at best. By all means they can pretend like they are giving a cluck, but SIX MONTHS and not a word on fixing pet families that are borked, I mean why bother adding new ones when the last lot they added don't even have a skill.

Their decisions and priorities are super askew for pets these days (the likes I have never seen in many many years), it's not surprising that getting appropriate family types together is also something they seem to be struggling with spectacularly well.

They might as well just throw them all into a "Beast" family and get it over and done with.

But if the new family is just about hybrid beasts and not feathers, then chimaeras would actually fit with them as well.

Holy shiz, I didn't realize how similar they really are til you put them side by side like that...

[Rawr]

I disagree, here's why; on Hippogryphs and Gryphons there is a clear cut "this half is one animal and this half another" I can see just those two being in a family by themselves. Owlcats and Wolfhawks on the other hand, as well as Wyverns, all appear to be a seamless beast. Also those 3 move the same way, true Owlcats don't fly, but they all move like cats on the ground, heads and bodies low. If biology has taught me anything its that the way something moves tells you more about what it is and what it is related to, more than how it looks, Hippogryphs and Gryphons don't move like the others. Someone is going to bring up the "no feathers" on Wyverns and I'd like to say big woop, Wolfhawks don't have horns but Wyverns and Owlcats do, Wolfhawks and Wyverns have fur but Owlcats don't, I can nitpick at this point all day.

And another thing, you all seem to be forgetting the most important thing, Blizzard will bend and shove anything they want to fit however they want it. These are the people who turned Rexxar into a Survival Hunter (he still has Bestial Wrath in HotS) so I'm not putting it past them to use any logic they see fit.

[Valnaaros]

Real life Biology really doesn't have a place in a world where we have things like dragons, wyverns, gryphons, etc. that can't and couldn't exist in our world for one reason or another. The fact of the matter is, Wyverns just don't fit with the rest of the creatures in the Feathermane family. As stated several times, it would be far better for them to be merged into a family with Rylaks and Chimeras than to remain with the Feathermanes.

In regards to Rexxar, many NPCs utilize multiple specs. Rexxar is Surv and BM. Thrall is Ele and Enhancement. Jaina is Frost and Arcane. I can give plenty of examples. But, obviously, Blizz won't create a Champion that is both (mostly a mechanical thing).

[Rawr]

I don't think they should be in a family of Rylaks or Chimeras, they look nothing alike aside from the leathery wings and even thats a stretch. Their wings have no paws, they can't walk/run on the ground like Wyverns can. The only thing that makes them look similar is their fur and back legs which on Rylaks and Chimeras are less like paws and more like dragon claws. You keep saying they should be in a family that looks like them, well the only ones that look like the Wyverns are the Wolfhawks.

Compare wings, heads, necks, feet, tails, and wing claws. Tell me how are these alike? Fur, some have fur but some don't and half the pet families have fur, what else?


I only bring up this point because Wolfhawks look as much like the other Feathermanes as Wyverns look like Rylaks and Chimeras. Big woop they have feathers give me something else.

[Valnaaros]

The only reason Wyverns can't fly is a lack of walking animations. Blizz could easily give them that. Originally, Hippogryphs didn't have a walk/run animation, but they were given one eventually.

No, Wyverns don't look exactly identical to Rylaks and Chimeras, but that isn't the point. Owlcats, Wolfhawks, Hippogryphs, and Gryphons are all mammal/bird hybrids. Rylaks, Chimeras, and Wyverns are mammal/reptile hybrids. Wyverns, if kept with the Feathermanes, would be the odd one out. It isn't about them looking very similar to Rylaks and Chimeras, it is about them being with species that are more similar to them than a family that is completely different.

[Rawr]

Wyverns fly the same way they always have, I really don't understand this statement. Wyverns are not mammal/reptile hybrids, they are not hybrids at all. They are supposed to have a "barbed or scorpion-like tail" though true they are also supposed to be two-legged dragons with a barbed tail, that was changed (I think because the Alliance would have a hissy fit if the Horde rode dragons). If we are saying families should be what looks like what then Rylaks and Chimeras, Hippogryphs and Gryphons, Wolfhawks and Wyverns, and Owlcats would be the odd ones out.

"It isn't about them looking very similar to Rylaks and Chimeras, it is about them being with species that are more similar to them than a family that is completely different." So you want to throw Wyverns in with Rylaks and Chimeras, even though Wyverns look nothing like them, because they "don't have feathers"? And again Wyverns look more like Wolfhawks than Wolfhawks look like anything in the Feathermane family.

[Valnaaros]

Except they are a Reptile/Mammal hybrid. Whilst they didn't originate from some reptile and mammal getting together and creating the Wyvern, they have characteristics of both. Further, unlike Mammals, Wyverns lay eggs. http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Wind_Rider

You are basing your description of the typical Wyvern off of Mythological Wyverns. Though they inspired the ones we have in WoW, they are not the ones in WoW. The design that Wyverns have currently is what they have always have had, even prior to WoW. It isn't to prevent the Alliance from getting upset.

Wolfhawks and Wyverns share the same rig, which is why they are similar in design. But anyways, I never said they look exactly alike, but it has been stated in WoW that Chimaera and Wyverns share similaries. http://wow.gamepedia.com/Chimaera

True, all of the species in the Feathermane family are different, but Wyverns are the odd ones out (as I said). I am not the only one that has felt this way.

[SpiritBinder]

Wolfhawks and Wyverns share the same rig, which is why they are similar in design. But anyways, I never said they look exactly alike, but it has been stated in WoW that Chimaera and Wyverns share similaries. http://wow.gamepedia.com/Chimaera.

Yeah, can't really just go on the "Same Skeleton = Same Family"



The Quilen originally had the cat skele and ended up being changed to the gryphons after feedback.

Regardless, there are some large differences already in play within families (Ravagers, Carrion Birds, Hydras, etc), so different skeletons within the same family seem to already be a thing... who knows.

Anyways, again I'm still trying to find logic in a place it don't live...

**EDIT** Also, all in all, who gives a rats right?!? We get to fricken tame Wyverns, Griphons, Hippogyrphs, Owlcats and Wolfeagles!!!

[Lupen202]

Who cares who looks more closely related; originally the argument was just that the name of the family is FEATHERmane, when Wyverns don't have any feathers. So why would they be called a feathermane?

Like I said, if they'd change the family name to hybrids or hybrid beasts it'd make much more sense for them all to be in the same family - because they all have traits from multiple animals. But as long as I get to tame them I don't really care... once I give the pet a name I'll never even have to think about their family name

[Wain]

The proper word for such beasts is "chimaera" but sadly that's taken


And, oh my god, I'd almost forgotten how the beta quilen looked. The animation guys did an amazing job changing that to what we have now, it almost looks like a different creature.