Petopia Classic - initial discussion
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Petopia Classic - initial discussion
- I hope to have it running on a version of the site that has a "Classic" branding, so hopefully it won't confuse anyone looking for standard data. Probably classic.wow-petopia.com.
- For nostalgia, I'll probably give it the dark green background that Petopia used to have. I may or may not take new pet images to match the background. We'll see.
- I'm inclined to not use the old logo (you can see it here) as the new one is so much nicer. What do you think?
- the pet database is currently just under 600 pets, unless I missed any. I'd completely forgotten that Birds of Prey used to be Owls!
- I believe I have data on all the skill ranks that wild pets knew. If you remember, to learn a new rank in a skill you had to tame a wild pet that knew that rank, and then you could pass it on to your other pets. I thought that was kinda fun.
- Unless I'm mistaken, the Gore skill wasn't added until BC, so probably won't be used.
- Only some wild pets knew any of the wild skills, right? There are a lot that don't have any rank of any skill listed.
- It'll be interesting to see how close to original WoW they actually come, and how much the Classic database will have to deviate from Vanilla. For example, will some pets be "casters" that renders them mostly useless? Will some pets colour-change again? Since they're starting from a recent WoW build as a base and working backwards it's hard to be sure of things like this.
- A few pets also used to have special abilities on top of the standard ones, making them extra useful in raids. I wonder if that will return. It did result in most other pets being made redundant for raiding. :/
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http://www.wow-petopia.com/classicpetsummary.php
There are 562 tameable creatures, including Serpents. 553, if Serpents end up not being included.
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Can anyone remind me - did pet families in Classic have an official spec? Petopia used to divide them up into "Offensive", "Defensive" and "General", based on their damage and tanking modifiers, but I can't find anything that says whether those were official categories, or if it's something Petopia just did for convenience. It's really been too long for me
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There always were superior pets. I remember boars being THE pet to get. And everone tame pigs from wpl or epl. If it was before or after Gorillas were the best I don't recall...
Yes. Bite rank 8 were only avalible in brd on wolves there. That's the only one I remember where to get but it was specific pets for claw, bite and dash in every rank.Only some wild pets knew any of the wild skills, right? There are a lot that don't have any rank of any skill listed.
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Here we go:
Disclaimer: Not all of these beasts may make it to the new vanilla WoW. Some of them may have been made available after the 1.12 patch. I wasn't playing at that time so I'm only going off of what I knew when I was introduced to the game at TBC launch.Niabi wrote:There were Bats, Bears, Boars, Carrion Birds, Cats, Crabs, Crocolisks, Gorillas, Hyenas, Owls, Raptors, Scorpids, Serpents, Spiders, Tallstriders, Turtles, Windserpents, and Wolves ... if I remember correctly.
Bears, Boars, Crabs, Crocolisks, Gorillas, Scorpids, and Turtles were Tenacity (Tank) Pets.
Bats, Carrion Birds, Owls, Serpents, Spiders, and Windserpents were Cunning (Utility) Pets.
Cats, Hyenas, Raptors, Tallstriders, and Wolves were Ferocity (DPS) Pets.
I feel a little iffy on whether I got all of the pets into the right category or not but it's been such a looong time.
Tarnfalk is right, there was such a thing as caster stats for certain types of beasts that would dampen their health and physical dps output, thus making them an inferior choice compared to other beasts. I remember certain (if not all) Windserpents having caster stats, as well as Dragonhawks -- although the later didn't become available until TBC. Oh, there was also a rare Wolf in Darkshire that was a caster pet. Can't remember the name but I remember he did shadow damage.
Pet skills were the thing you'd reserve one space in your stable for in order to learn and teach to your two permanent pets. These were basic abilities like rake, bite, charge, and thunderstomp. Here's a helpful video that covers which abilites there were and where you could learn them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Wacqc ... e=youtu.be. Some pets also had higher attack speeds and run speeds. I remember a rare cat in the Badlands being able to keep up with mounted characters while the pink Tallstrider in Mulgore had the slowest run speed. I apologize for not being able to recall the names of these beasts at this time … it's early and I haven't had breakfast yet … my brain is on strike atm.
Other helpful references pertaining to this subject: http://classic-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_talents and http://classic-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_a ... _(Vanilla)
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. They were very much a thing long before Wrath.Slapperfish wrote:Pet talent trees weren't a thing until Wrath.
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However, prior to that, pets had points and a sort of "psuedo" talent tree with Training Points. If I remember correctly, that tied in with the whole Loyalty system. But the concept was a bit similar.
At least that's what I remember lol
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Some info I found about the Training Point system and when it was replaced in 3.0.2 spent.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Training_point
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Actually, both might be correct. Apparently TBC introduced some spec-tree stuff too, but I think they still called it Training Points? I found some old articles from BigRedKittys old site that says TBC introduced "pet talent trees".
So technically the talent tree existed before wrath, but maybe we were using a different name for them. I do remember that Wrath did bring a big overhaul to pet specs tho, but it's been so long I can barely remember it all correctly lol
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Natural pet ability ranks (for wild pets) are now on that table, as well as a [CASTER] mark for those that were "caster" pets. It's also possible that they will consider the "caster" syndrome to be an outstanding bug and fix it anyway. They did say they would fix bugs even if they were known to exist in 1.12.
I've placed the spec type next to the family name, but for now I've stuck with the ones that Petopia was using at that time point: offensive, defensive and general. I'll read up more on that from those links Niabi provided before I decide how to name them.
As for pets that could run faster than others, from what I read that was fixed by 1.12 so hopefully it won't be something we have to worry about. I'm unsure about other special abilities, though.
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I do remember something along the ways of spending points to increase the abilities of your pets though. So perhaps Rikaku was also right in that there was a sort of pseudo pet talent tree thing-a-ma-jig in place during vanilla WoW.
I apologize for any mis-information I may have given. It's not easy to remember every single fact of something that has changed and evolved a gajillion times over the span of 14 years.
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