No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

Unread post by Vephriel »

*nod*, regardless of that though, I am ridiculously starved for bagspace. Even if I slowly get my keys all in my bag, I don't want to keep them there as they'll take every last bit I have I'm sure.
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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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Another idea would be to make the key an item you learn. Once you learn the key you can get into the instance or open the item that requires it from that point on.

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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

Unread post by Kalliope »

TygerDarkstorm wrote:
If there is not enough space in your inventory to hold any leftover keys once patch 4.2 hits live realms, the keys will be placed in a backlogged storage system. Once space is made for a backlogged key, the key will take that space after you log out or switch to a new zone (i.e. changing continents, entering a dungeon or Battleground, etc.).
We don't get to pick which keys are where at any given time, though. If you want to run Malygos or something, but that's one of the backlogged keys, you'll have to clear out the ones in your inventory to compensate.

For those curious/attempting to plan ahead, Kalliope has the key achievement and the following keys remained in her inventory on the PTR (this is obviously not going to be an all-encompassing list on which keys are staying, but it's a start): A good number of these keys should have been removed entirely, but weren't. So, Noah, if you're reading, is THAT a bug? ;)

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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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Vetiver wrote:http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/231 ... ring-Adieu

announced today. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!

i had the key master achievement, which they took away and did not make a FOS. i have very very little bag space on my main, because i have multiple sets of cool armor that i like, and vanity items, seasonal toys, etc...i just DO NOT have room for all these keys?
^ All this. I don't know why they didn't just make Keymaster achieve a FOS since people obviously had to put in some effort to get all the keys. And our bags are already stuffed to the hilt with things like gear, tabards, archaeology stuff (that's a bag full by itself!)

I'm also concerned that with the keys that do remain, it'll be like vanilla all over again. For example, you'd try to get 40 people to Onyxia and at least 2 or 3 people every run would say, "Oh I left my key in the bank." and have to go back and get it. It wouldn't help matters if your one and only lock was one of those people. :(
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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

Unread post by peanutbuttercup »

Oh, just saw this. Per blue post (source),

So, just as a reference here are the keys we're currently seeing as ones that will not be converted to gold or removed upon release of the patch -- if you have them they'd be put back into your normal inventory. This isn't necessarily a final list, and it's possible we could cut the list down even further before 4.2 releases.

Grim Guzzler Key (BRD)
Secret Safe Key (BRD)
Dark Keeper Key (BRD)
Jump-A-Tron 4000 Key (Nagrand)
Kolkar Booty Key (Barrens quest)
Relic Coffer Key (Blackfathom Deeps)
Ethereum Prison Key (Netherstorm – Blade’s Edge)
Captain’s Key (Tanaris)
Any Blacksmith keys (e.g. Titanium Skeleton Key)
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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

Unread post by Kaswryn »

:( Great, now I'm going to have even more junk cluttering up my bags that I can't delete out of fear I might need it someday.

Why don't they just do an overhaul on the UI instead of trying to cram new features into every possible nook and cranny?

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ShadowAkz wrote:Why don't they just do an overhaul on the UI instead of trying to cram new features into every possible nook and cranny?
Aye, the game obviously needs it.

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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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erm they made the keyring to give us more space for all those keys and now they take it away leaving us with all those keys in our inventory, i won't be happy with that for sure.
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Seriously, I'm sorry, but what the **** is this? We need MORE bagspace, not freaking less.

I have no bagspace as it is. 3-4 slots MAX at ANY time on my main. That's with full-sized bags and all bank slots. I was pissed off enough that they never made the Keymaster a FoS--after I went to massive amounts of effort to get the achievement. Now they're doing this?? Seriously, what sort of idiot thinks these things up? O.o

I cannot express strongly enough how negative I feel about this.

For anyone reading this, I posted here on the official forums a suggestion about how to solve bagspace issues. FROM THAT TOPIC, a random list of SOME of the things things that take up bagspace that most people would NOT be willing to throw away. Add to that different gear sets, and your bags are 100% full. PLEASE DO NOT FREAKING ADD KEYS TO THIS!

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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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Vephriel wrote:Uggghhh, this is such a horrid idea. I quite literally will NOT have the bagspace for my keys...what the hell am I supposed to do? If they really want to use that tiny UI real estate of where the key button is, then they could just throw the keys into a window like our Mounts/Companions. (along with Tabards please)
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Acherontia wrote:For anyone reading this, I posted here on the official forums a suggestion about how to solve bagspace issues. FROM THAT TOPIC, a random list of SOME of the things things that take up bagspace that most people would NOT be willing to throw away. Add to that different gear sets, and your bags are 100% full. PLEASE DO NOT FREAKING ADD KEYS TO THIS!
Absolutely agree that we need at least an archaeology tab that actually holds things (do we REALLY need the non-equippable items to sit in our bags??) and a tabard tab. Would love a "closet" for vanity gear as well since that's what I waste almost all my bag space on, but I realize I've collected a lot more outfits than 99% of players so I can see them saying that's a personal choice.

Or at least give us much much bigger banks, like the guild banks, with tabs. Yes I have a personal guild bank but it can't hold the items that are soulbound so it doesn't help with those items.
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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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I am not looking forward to this change, i only have like 12/13 keys on each character but, my bags are full like 24/7 my bank is full of tabards and novelties and all that crap like when i went to zg/za when they were raids i grabbed a bunch of cool looking gear and now its not obtainable and i aint getting rid of it. I also have my old gear sets that i worked hard for and am therefore not getting rid of. So the only way out of this getting rid of key rings would be to get rid of the keys - some of the lesser keys i like keeping because they remind me of when i was a noob in the barrens like the kolkar booty key i can sit and nostalgia but for the upper keys like the Master key which took me a day at 80 to get, god knows how long it took at 70, i would HATE to see the need for this key removed all my hard work gone like that... all the TBC keys gone no longer would you need them for the hcs.. people who had worked on these would have nothing to show.. they would look to others the same as those who have not worked for it and just got it like that. A lot like the Raven Lord for the druids.. but at least you still need to get the key just now ~ rant over
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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

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Icehammer's Harpoon Controller.


NOOOO don't take it away or make it so I can't harpoon surf >< I still do it for fun while passing through HF! xD
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Re: No more keyrings? (Noah, is this a bug?)

Unread post by Worba »

Well there is one really obvious solution: click on it and you "learn" it, e.g. it disappears, and from then on the associated door / gizmo / etc is considered permanently unlocked for your toon.

This is like how they stamp your character internally during quests so the game knows which parts of the content have been unlocked.

Now players don't have to give up bag space, and Blizzard no longer needs to keep a section of the controls tied up for keyrings.
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