Jadefang common skin?

zedxrgal · **Posted:** Sat May 05, 2012 8:49 pm

Just watching a video from Jesse Cox & WowCrendor and I saw Jadefang's shale spider skin as a common mob in a cave in the Jade forest. They're called Greenstone Nibblers & the large mobs are Greenstone Gorgers. Has anyone seen these guys yet?
Are they tamable?

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Edit: Just saw that they're in Greenstone Quarry.

Kalliope · **Posted:** Sat May 05, 2012 8:59 pm

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No, they're not tamable (yet).

The nibblers are cuties! The gorgers are scary. x_x

Tårnfalk · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 3:55 am

buuuh :/ i kinda dislike that rare skins are becomming common... Makes them less special. I really love Mojito (Jadefang) on Kahlua cause she is a rare.. Not sure if the green skin will survive in Kahlua´s otherwise color coordinated stables.. not sure yet..

But i guess its a good thinkg for ppl who dont want to camp out for the rares

Shalyth · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:33 am

I like it moreso because the rarespawn is a pain in itself to get to and you cant get her without someone assisting or if you have the daily or your a night elf which is not at all a proper challenge but more like an uncalled for taunt. Plus to boot she drops a minipet so its not just people who want to tame her thats after her. Shes the only rarespawn unique tameable beast that drops a minipet to boot to my knowledge. All in all i do have to say im happy to see a common version that has a high chance of becoming tameable.

And really, if one loves their pet enough that they want it out all the time but still be respectable to those with NPCScan or SilverDragon, you can get the common counterpart and be able to use it in the area the rare version spawns in so as to not give others a heart attack followed with heart break. Thaaaaats probably the best part about common counterparts other then that you dont need to camp endlessly and suffer possible heart break again and again looking for the particular pet you want ^^

(just throwing my 2cents to the general public who goes on and on about keeping unique colors purely rare)

Kalliope · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 11:12 am

Xakaal wrote:

Shes the only rarespawn unique tameable beast that drops a minipet to boot to my knowledge. All in all i do have to say im happy to see a common version that has a high chance of becoming tameable.

^
x2 from me.

I feel like we keep going through this same debate in every single thread with a formerly unique look becoming common. :/

Sasrei · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 1:08 pm

I think we will prolly have the same debate.. I think blizz is getting rid of most unique rares because people casuals complain they dont have the time to camp for the rare. Blizz really has made wow alot more geared to those who play casually. I mean I get people have this thing called life outside wow but idk I like uniqueness at times.. maybe its just me but when you see skoll you know its skoll, or king krush. But it varies with people, I enjoy the thrill of the hunt, and I enjoy the story behind it but its the pet and that story or bond that makes the pet special not its uniqueness. Idk I think im torn myself about this debate and on how MoP seems to be heading more and more that way of less unique rares.. so far its all madexx colors, and now jadefang.. wonder if we will find Sambas commons now..

Shalyth · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 2:40 pm

Kalliope wrote:

I feel like we keep going through this same debate in every single thread with a formerly unique look becoming common. :/

Alas, the topic always begins to swirl the drain sooner or later, such is the nature of the topic

cowmuflage · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Xakaal wrote:

Kalliope wrote:

I feel like we keep going through this same debate in every single thread with a formerly unique look becoming common. :/

Alas, the topic always begins to swirl the drain sooner or later, such is the nature of the topic

True dat. And I there will be someone saying "I only got it becouse it's a rare and that makes it better" When like how many people have it? :lol:

Kalliope · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:12 pm

cowmuflage wrote:

Xakaal wrote:

Kalliope wrote:

I feel like we keep going through this same debate in every single thread with a formerly unique look becoming common. :/

Alas, the topic always begins to swirl the drain sooner or later, such is the nature of the topic

True dat. And I there will be someone saying "I only got it becouse it's a rare and that makes it better" When like how many people have it? :lol:

Exactly why I don't understand the appeal of "unique skins" - if everyone is using pets with that skin, how are you a special snowflake?

But yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It just...gets old.

Slickrock · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:16 pm

cowmuflage wrote:

Xakaal wrote:

Kalliope wrote:

I feel like we keep going through this same debate in every single thread with a formerly unique look becoming common. :/

Alas, the topic always begins to swirl the drain sooner or later, such is the nature of the topic

True dat. And I there will be someone saying "I only got it becouse it's a rare and that makes it better" When like how many people have it? :lol:

And the argument will never end.

Me? Part of the charm of being a hunter is the camp for unique rares. If they remove that, as many here advocate, that would remove part of what I like about being a hunter, and NO taming a rare when the same skin is available by the hundreds in the next zone over is NOT the same.

As as far as Jadefang goes, I'll set him free, and pick up a different color if I need a shale spider. Green wasn't my favorite color anyway.

cowmuflage · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:19 pm

Kalliope wrote:

Exactly why I don't understand the appeal of "unique skins" - if everyone is using pets with that skin, how are you a special snowflake?

But yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It just...gets old.

Indeedy it sure does!

Slickrock · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:27 pm

Kalliope wrote:

Exactly why I don't understand the appeal of "unique skins" - if everyone is using pets with that skin, how are you a special snowflake?

But yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It just...gets old.

Well.. part of it is the thrill of the hunt. Not much thrill if the next zone over is teeming with the same skin.

Part of it is.. "Where did you get that pet.."

Part of it is rarity, at least early on. (Think of how hard Krush, Deth, Aotona, and a few others were early on in those tiers).

But "how are you a special snowflake" is a bit of a slap in the face. A bit rude in fact. Sure everyone has Skoll now, but how many have Aotona?

The point is to have a pet that requires some work (and some luck), and not have every pet be available to run out and tame when you see one in town. To make everyone here happy, perhaps we remove all rares and instead have reputation based pets, so they still require some work?

Shalyth · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 4:57 pm

Slickrock wrote:

Well.. part of it is the thrill of the hunt. Not much thrill if the next zone over is teeming with the same skin.

Part of it is.. "Where did you get that pet.."

Part of it is rarity, at least early on. (Think of how hard Krush, Deth, Aotona, and a few others were early on in those tiers).

The point is to have a pet that requires some work (and some luck), and not have every pet be available to run out and tame when you see one in town. To make everyone here happy, perhaps we remove all rares and instead have reputation based pets, so they still require some work?

Stole a quote Wain made from another thread

Wain wrote:

Actually, the other reason they may make them common is that Blizzard created the skins for the use of area developers and they're under no obligation or pressure to never touch a skin in a future expansion just because some people like it to remain unique forever. They use them in zones because they like the look of them in zones.

My own philosophy on this is that (almost) nothing remains rare forever. Not only pets, but achievements, raid mounts, etc. Older expansion stuff becomes easier to achieve and obtain and pet skins aren't much different to this. If you want to remain at the cutting edge then you have to keep striving. This expansion will bring new rares which will become the new status symbols for those who catch them.

And i do not like the idea of a rep based beast. Its illogical, unnecessary, and too much work for the blizz team when you add in everything they have to create and compile. Challenge tames i think are a huge success so if they're gonna add in unique models that people want to be special and one-of-a-kind, then thats the way to go, not add them to a zone and slap on a respawn timer and let everyone who wants it sit for hours on end, days on end with speakers on doing chores or hobbies or sleeping or go for the fly-by method and hope that luck is on their side.

Kalliope · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 5:50 pm

Slickrock wrote:

Kalliope wrote:

Exactly why I don't understand the appeal of "unique skins" - if everyone is using pets with that skin, how are you a special snowflake?

But yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It just...gets old.

Well.. part of it is the thrill of the hunt. Not much thrill if the next zone over is teeming with the same skin.

Part of it is.. "Where did you get that pet.."

Part of it is rarity, at least early on. (Think of how hard Krush, Deth, Aotona, and a few others were early on in those tiers).

It can also be argued that once you're tamed the pet, the hunt is over.

Joking aside, I understand that it would be nice to be able to keep your trophy pet for all time and have people know what effort you went through without asking. However, it always comes down to "you guys" vs. "players who don't want to put in the time/effort or are just plain unlucky."

I'll say it again: it's the same circular debate. Neither side is likely to budge. As said earlier (possibly in another thread), there will always be new uniques to hunt, so if Blizzard wants to toss a bone to the players who want a particular skin, then that seems fair to me. You're entitled not to agree.

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But "how are you a special snowflake" is a bit of a slap in the face. A bit rude in fact. Sure everyone has Skoll now, but how many have Aotona?

Your milage may vary. I see plenty of Aotonas out there - certainly more of her than other parrot colors. If it's a high profile uniquely skinned rare, it's going to be around, even if there happen to be fewer one one type or another on your particular server.

I'll rephrase the charged part of my original comment: if many hunters have gone out and gotten lucky or challenged themselves to do the same tame you did, does that not also detract from the accomplishment? It makes your pet, your efforts, seem more commonplace - to the point of that pet being among the most common spotted in major cities. If your counter to that is "well, I went through the experience myself and I know what I did," then there's absolutely no reason to begrudge others that same skin for less effort. After all, you know the difference, so who cares about anyone else?

Quote:

The point is to have a pet that requires some work (and some luck), and not have every pet be available to run out and tame when you see one in town.

Which is why there's a been new wave of shiny rares with each expansion. The old ones, like other outdated parts of the game, are made more common.

Ëlfdragon · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 6:28 pm

I don't mind this. Truth be told, I'm happy when I see that Blizz is putting in a common mob with a once unique skin. It makes it easier for people to get their dream pet(s). Another thing is I feel people jump the gun when they complain about Blizz putting in a common mob with a unique skin. Like for example, when they put Araga's skin on a common mob. People complained about how everyone would be running around with their pretty kitty. I could care less because I got her for her skin, her being a unique rare at the time was just a plus. Now its what, a year and a half or more sense the mob was added? Yet I still rarely ever see anyone running around with the skin.* Maybe its just on my server, but you never can know what will happen to a skin when its put on a common mob. You never know if many people will tame it, or if people will still prefer other skins. Another thing, and people will probably hate me for this, but I really hate when I hear about someone abandoning a pet because it was a unique rare and the skin is now on a common mob. I really hate people who see pets as just "trophies" to show off. Now, taming a rare with a unique skin that you love and wanting to show it off a little is difference, because if you love the skin you're less likely to say "Oh, this skin is being put on a common mob? BAH! I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE!*abandons pet*"
Oh, and I ask you this: In your opinion, what makes a mob truly "unique"? Is it being the only tameable beast in-game with the skin? Or is it how many people have the pet? For example: Skarr. Sure, he has a unique skin, hes the only black gem cat in the game that can be tamed, and hes a rare. However, you still see a lot of hunters running around with him. Imho, his SKIN may be unique, but he himself is not unique at all, because the vast number of hunters who own him. Now, I've probably gone off-topic here, so I'm going to stop myself there.

*Yes, I know Araga was probably a bad example because of how many different cat skins there are, but its the only one I could think up at the time.

Slickrock · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 6:41 pm

Kalliope wrote:

It can also be argued that once you're tamed the pet, the hunt is over.

Joking aside, I understand that it would be nice to be able to keep your trophy pet for all time and have people know what effort you went through without asking. However, it always comes down to "you guys" vs. "players who don't want to put in the time/effort or are just plain unlucky."

It's not having it for all time, but, for a while, having something that did take the effort to get, and knowing there's only one way to get it.

In some ways, it's very similar to raid gear. Last night I went with some friends and got some nice gear for Tmog from BT. One is a hard-core raider, and he didn't mind. However, if there was gear available from a vendor that looked just like the current raid tier gear, he'd be pretty upset.

Kalliope wrote:

Your milage may vary. I see plenty of Aotonas out there - certainly more of her than other parrot colors. If it's a high profile uniquely skinned rare, it's going to be around, even if there happen to be fewer one one type or another on your particular server.

I see wolves, cats, and spirit beasts, few others... :-)

With MoP, I'm sure we'll see some of those other parrot skins.

Kalliope wrote:

I'll rephrase the charged part of my original comment: if many hunters have gone out and gotten lucky or challenged themselves to do the same tame you did, does that not also detract from the accomplishment?

No. I know they went through the same effort to tame the pet. But again, it's like raid gear. By the end of the expansion, pretty much everyone who tries at all has the gear, same for the pets.

I should also note that I didn't really care about the Jadefang change itself (or the Maddex skin change). Their time has come and gone. I think that's for the best. After a while, your slots are filled, and you've only likely bonded with a few of them.

So perhaps it's like raid tier gear. With the next xpac, the raid tier is available for honor, and SOME of the rares become more available. I do think a few should stay rare. It looks like spirit beasts will be that way. But I certainly don't mind some of the skins becoming more accessible.

Slickrock · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 6:55 pm

Ëlfdragon wrote:

I don't mind this. Truth be told, I'm happy when I see that Blizz is putting in a common mob with a once unique skin. It makes it easier for people to get their dream pet(s)

So.. all pets should be available at the stables, just to make things easier?.. let's hand out the gear too, because that takes work otherwise...

Ëlfdragon wrote:

but I really hate when I hear about someone abandoning a pet because it was a unique rare and the skin is now on a common mob. I really hate people who see pets as just "trophies" to show off. Now, taming a rare with a unique skin that you love and wanting to show it off a little is difference, because if you love the skin you're less likely to say "Oh, this skin is being put on a common mob? BAH! I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE!*abandons pet*"

You missed the part of "thrill of the hunt". I've bonded with some of the rares, some I haven't. You can't possibly expect that someone would bond with every rare they've tamed?
It's a simple fact of stable management. I need room.

It's also this... I have Jadefang now, but I don't use him, never got into shale spiders. But I kept him because he's hard to get. Now, if the skin is readily available, I feel no pressure to tie up that stable slot with a rare that I don't use.

Ëlfdragon wrote:

Oh, and I ask you this: In your opinion, what makes a mob truly "unique"? Is it being the only tameable beast in-game with the skin? Or is it how many people have the pet? For example: Skarr. Sure, he has a unique skin, hes the only black gem cat in the game that can be tamed, and hes a rare. However, you still see a lot of hunters running around with him. Imho, his SKIN may be unique, but he himself is not unique at all..........

Skarr is different, since he's a challenge tame. He's hard to get. I don't actually like the skin, but I've tamed him because of the challenge. With MoP, he'll be another one I set free to make room.

But to answer your question, I'll restate my answer to K. It's the thrill of the hunt. And for a while, having something that few others have. After a while, more do have it, but even then, there was effort that went into it. If the same skin is available right away from a regular beast, it's not the same.

Kalliope · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 6:57 pm

Slickrock wrote:

I see wolves, cats, and spirit beasts, few others... :-)

With MoP, I'm sure we'll see some of those other parrot skins.

I see those too.

Usually the same few rares.

Slickrock wrote:

Kalliope wrote:

I'll rephrase the charged part of my original comment: if many hunters have gone out and gotten lucky or challenged themselves to do the same tame you did, does that not also detract from the accomplishment?

No. I know they went through the same effort to tame the pet. But again, it's like raid gear. By the end of the expansion, pretty much everyone who tries at all has the gear, same for the pets.

I should also note that I didn't really care about the Jadefang change itself (or the Maddex skin change). Their time has come and gone. I think that's for the best. After a while, your slots are filled, and you've only likely bonded with a few of them.

So perhaps it's like raid tier gear. With the next xpac, the raid tier is available for honor, and SOME of the rares become more available. I do think a few should stay rare. It looks like spirit beasts will be that way. But I certainly don't mind some of the skins becoming more accessible.

Bolded parts I said in my last reply.

So yep, agreed! And I also agree with your point that spirit beasts appear to be staying unique (Karoma notwithstanding, but she was always an exception to that rule) - so let them be the legendary equivalents, if you will.

Slickrock · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 7:09 pm

Kalliope wrote:

And I also agree with your point that spirit beasts appear to be staying unique (Karoma notwithstanding, but she was always an exception to that rule) - so let them be the legendary equivalents, if you will.

Even with spirit beasts, it's to the point where I need to trim my stables. I don't think we'll get more than 25 slots, so I need to make some hard choices.

There's one really good thing about the coming pet changes. You'll have the chance to bond with pets that you haven't used as much before, due to the fact that they were cunning or tenacity, or had a useless buff for pve/pvp. Now all that is getting shaken up. We still need to see final changes, but it's looking like a good time to really mix up your stables.

Ëlfdragon · **Posted:** Sun May 06, 2012 7:29 pm

Slickrock wrote:

Ëlfdragon wrote:

I don't mind this. Truth be told, I'm happy when I see that Blizz is putting in a common mob with a once unique skin. It makes it easier for people to get their dream pet(s)

So.. all pets should be available at the stables, just to make things easier?.. let's hand out the gear too, because that takes work otherwise...

That's not what I'm saying at all, but if you want to see it that way, go ahead.

Slickrock wrote:

Ëlfdragon wrote:

but I really hate when I hear about someone abandoning a pet because it was a unique rare and the skin is now on a common mob. I really hate people who see pets as just "trophies" to show off. Now, taming a rare with a unique skin that you love and wanting to show it off a little is difference, because if you love the skin you're less likely to say "Oh, this skin is being put on a common mob? BAH! I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE!*abandons pet*"

You missed the part of "thrill of the hunt". I've bonded with some of the rares, some I haven't. You can't possibly expect that someone would bond with every rare they've tamed?
It's a simple fact of stable management. I need room.

It's also this... I have Jadefang now, but I don't use him, never got into shale spiders. But I kept him because he's hard to get. Now, if the skin is readily available, I feel no pressure to tie up that stable slot with a rare that I don't use.

Now, correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but are you saying that, if a skin is put on a common skin, the "Thrill of the hunt" factor is gone? Cause, if you are, I don't agree. If someone still wanted to experience the thrill of hunting a rare, they still can. But if they have really bad luck, have a life and don't have the time, or just plainly hate having to spend hours on end sitting in one spot camping a pet, they can still get the skin they love on a common mob.

Slickrock wrote:

Ëlfdragon wrote:

Oh, and I ask you this: In your opinion, what makes a mob truly "unique"? Is it being the only tameable beast in-game with the skin? Or is it how many people have the pet? For example: Skarr. Sure, he has a unique skin, hes the only black gem cat in the game that can be tamed, and hes a rare. However, you still see a lot of hunters running around with him. Imho, his SKIN may be unique, but he himself is not unique at all..........

Skarr is different, since he's a challenge tame. He's hard to get. I don't actually like the skin, but I've tamed him because of the challenge. With MoP, he'll be another one I set free to make room.

But to answer your question, I'll restate my answer to K. It's the thrill of the hunt. And for a while, having something that few others have. After a while, more do have it, but even then, there was effort that went into it. If the same skin is available right away from a regular beast, it's not the same.

See, that's what i truly don't get. Does a unique skin being put on a common mob change what YOU went threw to get the pet? So what if some random person sees you with the pet and doesn't know you took to time and effort to tame the rare, because YOU know that YOU took the time and effort to camp for the rare. Now, I know you said you only got the Jadefang because she was a unique rare.
Now that I think about it more, I may be guilty of the same thing. With me, its more that the unique rare just happened to be up so I tamed it, not wanting it to go homeless.(Same with normal rares(I dont always do this though)) Also, I'd abandon the pet when I found another member of the family that I liked, and not because the skin was being put on a common mob. Now, if its a family I'm not found of, like Gorillas, Monkeys, and Dogs (I just don't like any of the mobs in the Dog family), and I found a unique rare up from one of them, I wouldn't tame it. I'm not going to tame a pet from a family I don't like because of the fact its a unique rare. I just don't see the point.

I guess what I said was more targeted at the people that love a skin when its unique, but despies it the moment they hear its put on a common mob. That is truly what i hate people doing.

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