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Sporebat's abilities update?

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I saw this on MMO Champion earlier in the hunter change section.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/298 ... uild-16208
Energizing Spores (New) Surrounds all friendly party and raid members with energizing spores, increasing spell haste by 5%.
I checked wowhead and it doesn't say if it's a Special Ability or a Bonus Ability, so I'm wondering if they removed Spore Cloud completely. Seems it's instant cast with a 100 yard range, but there's no duration nor no cooldown either. Can someone on the PTR check a Sporebat and let us know what they did to them? Thanks in advance! :D
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I checked this out before, actually! It's only a replacement for the Mind Quickening buff....which we had figured was coming eventually, since that was just a copy of the shadow priest buff.

Oddly enough, sporebats still have Spore Cloud. This continues to make them the only non-exotic pet with multiple buffs/debuffs.

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Kalliope wrote:I checked this out before, actually! It's only a replacement for the Mind Quickening buff....which we had figured was coming eventually, since that was just a copy of the shadow priest buff.

Oddly enough, sporebats still have Spore Cloud. This continues to make them the only non-exotic pet with multiple buffs/debuffs.
Removing the old skill will make me cry

Having said, it's just like Water Strider imho when both have extra 'buff' but both buffs are for spell casters. So the rule is, if the extra buff doesn't effect the Hunter directly, it's ok, I'm ok, you're ok, sporebat's ok, we're ok!
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pop wrote: Having said, it's just like Water Strider imho when both have extra 'buff' but both buffs are for spell casters. So the rule is, if the extra buff doesn't effect the Hunter directly, it's ok, I'm ok, you're ok, sporebat's ok, we're ok!
Except that Watre Striders are exotics. So they're *entitled* to have an extra buff. ;) Sporebats aren't.
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Kurasu wrote:
pop wrote: Having said, it's just like Water Strider imho when both have extra 'buff' but both buffs are for spell casters. So the rule is, if the extra buff doesn't effect the Hunter directly, it's ok, I'm ok, you're ok, sporebat's ok, we're ok!
Except that Watre Striders are exotics. So they're *entitled* to have an extra buff. ;) Sporebats aren't.
actually Water Strider's have 3; crit, spell power AND Water Walking.

Other exotics beast have only 2 skills discounting bonus skills but all of those can skills benefit hunters, depending on the fight or purposes. Spell haste and Spell power in all regards would not increase any of hunter's spec at all. Both sporebat and water strider have extra buffs that only benefit mana users only.
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pop wrote:actually Water Strider's have 3; crit, spell power AND Water Walking.
It only counts as two because ALL spellpower buffs include crit as well. And since the crit buff is included in it, water striders benefit hunters as well.

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Indeed! They have one buff that affects two things. Sporebats have two abilities that are *completely* separate. And really, that can't be rolled into one.
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Kalliope wrote:I checked this out before, actually! It's only a replacement for the Mind Quickening buff....which we had figured was coming eventually, since that was just a copy of the shadow priest buff.

Oddly enough, sporebats still have Spore Cloud. This continues to make them the only non-exotic pet with multiple buffs/debuffs.
Well I wouldn't mind if they kept both, they do need more love from players! I very rarely see a hunter with a sporebat pet. :(
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oooh. I just wish sporebats had more variety in color. They've only got...what...3 or 4?

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3! You're right they do need a lot more color choices too.
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Kalliope wrote:
pop wrote:actually Water Strider's have 3; crit, spell power AND Water Walking.
It only counts as two because ALL spellpower buffs include crit as well. And since the crit buff is included in it, water striders benefit hunters as well.
When ever did I said that Water Strider doesn't benefit hunter at all? I think you have confused between skills and buffs. The Water Strider have 2 Skills but 3 buffs, but 2 of the buff is rolled into one skills. It still have 3 buffs regardless. Like I said, both water strider and sporebat are special cases because these extra buffs, regardless of how they are implemented either rolled into a single skill that does benefit hunter or as a new spell, that they bring doesn't benefit hunter. The only reason that sporebat's wasn't rolled into one because the sporebat's original spell is a debuff instead of buff.

I think this is great regardless because hunter's pet would bring both spells that benefit the hunter or benefit the person in a hunter's team. I really hope bliz would start to throw in more spell like this new one to other non exotic as well.
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Shinryu Masaki wrote:
Kalliope wrote:I checked this out before, actually! It's only a replacement for the Mind Quickening buff....which we had figured was coming eventually, since that was just a copy of the shadow priest buff.

Oddly enough, sporebats still have Spore Cloud. This continues to make them the only non-exotic pet with multiple buffs/debuffs.
Well I wouldn't mind if they kept both, they do need more love from players! I very rarely see a hunter with a sporebat pet. :(
I want a sporebat that shares the same skin as a SEA HORSE!
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Shinryu Masaki wrote:3! You're right they do need a lot more color choices too.
Even if they're rare spawns, I'll take more color choices. I'd personally love to see a pink or dark purple one.

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pop wrote: I think you have confused between skills and buffs. The Water Strider have 2 Skills but 3 buffs, but 2 of the buff is rolled into one skills.
If this is the case, how many buffs do Shale Spiders have? ;)
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If it bothers you that much, just think of it this way:

Clearly, the spores, etc. in Zangarmarsh supercharged the Water Striders and Sporebats. The waterstriders on Pandaria all inherited this from the rare spawn Water Strider. :P

In regards to they had to have crit: They could have just given Water Striders crit, they didn't have to give it spell power.

I agree, the rule is: If the buff doesn't affect the hunter, it's not counting in the overall "number" of buffs/debuffs/skills a pet has.
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Myzou wrote:If it bothers you that much, just think of it this way:

Clearly, the spores, etc. in Zangarmarsh supercharged the Water Striders and Sporebats. The waterstriders on Pandaria all inherited this from the rare spawn Water Strider. :P

In regards to they had to have crit: They could have just given Water Striders crit, they didn't have to give it spell power.

I agree, the rule is: If the buff doesn't affect the hunter, it's not counting in the overall "number" of buffs/debuffs/skills a pet has.
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Junrei wrote:
Myzou wrote: The waterstriders on Pandaria all inherited this from the rare spawn Water Strider. :P
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Makes more sense if it's Hexapos being referred to. ;)
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pop wrote: I think you have confused between skills and buffs. The Water Strider have 2 Skills but 3 buffs, but 2 of the buff is rolled into one skills.
If this is the case, how many buffs do Shale Spiders have? ;)
Kurasu knows what I'm talking about. :) Spellpower/crit is a different buff than just plain crit, even though the crit part functions the same way.

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Oh yeah! I keep forgetting about that one....Shame on me!

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Kalliope wrote:
Junrei wrote:
Myzou wrote: The waterstriders on Pandaria all inherited this from the rare spawn Water Strider. :P
Glimmer is a ladies man....XD
Makes more sense if it's Hexapos being referred to. ;)
Really? I thought he went just for japanese school girls. Life is full of surprises, you learn something every day! :lol:
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Shinryu, I loled pretty hard at that. Thank you. XD

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