WoW Petopia Community

A fun place to chat about hunter pets in the World of Warcraft.
Visit the Petopia homepage Petopia Homepage
It is currently Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:37 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Forum Rules: Treat others with respect. Report, don't respond. Read the complete rules.




Forum locked This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 22 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:13 pm 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:20 pm
Posts: 3200
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Hunter (Forums, Talent Calculator)
Arcane Shot additional damage increased by 21%.

Talents
Lynx Rush damage and AP scaling increased by 30%.

Beast Mastery
Kill Command base damage increased by 33% and AP scaling increased by 16%.

Marksmanship
Aimed Shot weapon damage increased by 12.5% and additional damage reduced by 2%.

Survival
Explosive Shot damage and RAP scaling increased by 8%.

_________________
Account has been closed at user's request.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:17 pm 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:03 pm
Posts: 6988
Location: I am "here" or so the directory tells me.
Realm: Arathor-Alliance / Nesingwary-horde / WrA-Alliance
Gender: Female foxen
YAY!!!

_________________

Image


Silent as night, silent as death, silent as your last breath
~~~
Interested in HARPG? Check out Marandian's
~~~
(Closed)FR gems: (Click here for details)
My DeviantART/My Petopia art thread
~~~
I cry inside every day, as common courtesy withers away. Are you part of the problem or will you help it grow?



Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:15 pm 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17229
Location: Kun-Lai
Realm: Moon Guard/Icecrown/Malygos
Gender: Female
Wewt! My fiance texted me about it and I am just clicking my heels!

_________________

Image
JunreiDragcaveMagistreamFlight Rising
Sig Credits to Ashaine, Kamoodle, Sookie, Kurenio, Serenith, Ket Shi, Nili, Rongar, Britany, TheDoomcookie, Vyndara, and Vephriel!
Avatar Credits to Samskeyti, Moonlost, Lupisdarkmoon, Nili, Britany, Kasstra, Seilahyn, and Vephriel!



Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:39 pm 
Offline
Journeyman Hunter
Journeyman Hunter

Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:28 am
Posts: 228
Slickrock wrote:
Beast Mastery
Kill Command base damage increased by 33% and AP scaling increased by 16%.


That's.. a little surprising. But hey, can't complain!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:18 pm 
Offline
Master Hunter
Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:35 pm
Posts: 1126
Location: If I'm somewhere else, I can't be here
Realm: Draka
Gender: Male for both
Nice buff to BM and maybe I'll be going back to Lynx Rush. I'll have to see how it sims out in FD.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:55 am 
Offline
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:25 am
Posts: 1815
I hope Lynx Rush actually summons a lynx or lynxes to do the damage as any other actions like KC would break Lynx Rush.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:55 am 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17229
Location: Kun-Lai
Realm: Moon Guard/Icecrown/Malygos
Gender: Female
pop wrote:
I hope Lynx Rush actually summons a lynx or lynxes to do the damage as any other actions like KC would break Lynx Rush.

They only buffed the damage. They didn't change what the ability does. o.o; Lynx Rush still does what it current does now.

_________________

Image
JunreiDragcaveMagistreamFlight Rising
Sig Credits to Ashaine, Kamoodle, Sookie, Kurenio, Serenith, Ket Shi, Nili, Rongar, Britany, TheDoomcookie, Vyndara, and Vephriel!
Avatar Credits to Samskeyti, Moonlost, Lupisdarkmoon, Nili, Britany, Kasstra, Seilahyn, and Vephriel!



Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:29 am 
Offline
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:25 am
Posts: 1815
Junrei wrote:
pop wrote:
I hope Lynx Rush actually summons a lynx or lynxes to do the damage as any other actions like KC would break Lynx Rush.

They only buffed the damage. They didn't change what the ability does. o.o; Lynx Rush still does what it current does now.


hence why I said I hope.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:45 am 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:20 pm
Posts: 3200
Danielfboone wrote:
Nice buff to BM and maybe I'll be going back to Lynx Rush. I'll have to see how it sims out in FD.


Z updated FD last night, so start the math!!!

Frostheim is saying Crit is king now, but I think he may just be referring to survivial.

_________________
Account has been closed at user's request.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:11 pm 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17229
Location: Kun-Lai
Realm: Moon Guard/Icecrown/Malygos
Gender: Female
Slickrock wrote:
Danielfboone wrote:
Nice buff to BM and maybe I'll be going back to Lynx Rush. I'll have to see how it sims out in FD.


Z updated FD last night, so start the math!!!

Frostheim is saying Crit is king now, but I think he may just be referring to survivial.

You may wanna confirm that before saying which is king overall. :P

_________________

Image
JunreiDragcaveMagistreamFlight Rising
Sig Credits to Ashaine, Kamoodle, Sookie, Kurenio, Serenith, Ket Shi, Nili, Rongar, Britany, TheDoomcookie, Vyndara, and Vephriel!
Avatar Credits to Samskeyti, Moonlost, Lupisdarkmoon, Nili, Britany, Kasstra, Seilahyn, and Vephriel!



Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:36 pm 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:20 pm
Posts: 3200
Hey, just saying what Frost said... :-)

People need to do their own math, or let EJ figure it out... :-)

_________________
Account has been closed at user's request.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:14 am 
Offline
Master Hunter
Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:35 pm
Posts: 1126
Location: If I'm somewhere else, I can't be here
Realm: Draka
Gender: Male for both
Well it sims out that the combination of Fervor and AMoC is the best. That's not really the most fun combination for BM though.
I think Dire Beast and Lynx Rush is.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:03 am 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17229
Location: Kun-Lai
Realm: Moon Guard/Icecrown/Malygos
Gender: Female
Slickrock wrote:
Hey, just saying what Frost said... :-)

People need to do their own math, or let EJ figure it out... :-)

Frost is usually specific on what he says.

I hate EJ. Too much math. I dont need to know how they got there or what teensy number means what. I prefer Icy-Veins. x3

_________________

Image
JunreiDragcaveMagistreamFlight Rising
Sig Credits to Ashaine, Kamoodle, Sookie, Kurenio, Serenith, Ket Shi, Nili, Rongar, Britany, TheDoomcookie, Vyndara, and Vephriel!
Avatar Credits to Samskeyti, Moonlost, Lupisdarkmoon, Nili, Britany, Kasstra, Seilahyn, and Vephriel!



Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:43 am 
Some interesting weird comments here in this thread. After some analysis looking at haste/crit , surv/BM here are is some very interesting tips you should keep in mind:

with PTR enabled

(1) @ current gear level Surv crit and BM haste are very close.
(2) as ilevel goes up Surv > BM
(3) with set bonuses and as ilevel goes up haste appears to be outweighing crit for Surv and stays on top for BM. Keep in mind this can changes depending on your latency.
(4) then there is http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence which is a game breaker. It is not BiS for surv but for BM it boost the damage up substantially making BM the better spec.
(5) Choice between Surv or BM or crit>haste or haste>crit will depend on the gear you have

Other options: ignoring http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence
(1) lynx rush is garbage the buff is only small and corrects some of the nerf due to readiness removal.
(2) Blink is still better for BM
(3) Crows is still better for Surv

I don't think I looked at http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence impact on lynx or crows for BM. Its possible with that trinket crows might be better.

Note: word on the street is FD/sims not coding 4 set bonus correct for MM.


Top
  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:59 am 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17229
Location: Kun-Lai
Realm: Moon Guard/Icecrown/Malygos
Gender: Female
Banard wrote:
Some interesting weird comments here in this thread. After some analysis looking at haste/crit , surv/BM here are is some very interesting tips you should keep in mind:

with PTR enabled

(1) @ current gear level Surv crit and BM haste are very close.
(2) as ilevel goes up Surv > BM
(3) with set bonuses and as ilevel goes up haste appears to be outweighing crit for Surv and stays on top for BM. Keep in mind this can changes depending on your latency.
(4) then there is http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence which is a game breaker. It is not BiS for surv but for BM it boost the damage up substantially making BM the better spec.
(5) Choice between Surv or BM or crit>haste or haste>crit will depend on the gear you have

Other options: ignoring http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence
(1) lynx rush is garbage the buff is only small and corrects some of the nerf due to readiness removal.
(2) Blink is still better for BM
(3) Crows is still better for Surv

I don't think I looked at http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102292/assu ... onsequence impact on lynx or crows for BM. Its possible with that trinket crows might be better.

Note: word on the street is FD/sims not coding 4 set bonus correct for MM.

Very handy! :3

_________________

Image
JunreiDragcaveMagistreamFlight Rising
Sig Credits to Ashaine, Kamoodle, Sookie, Kurenio, Serenith, Ket Shi, Nili, Rongar, Britany, TheDoomcookie, Vyndara, and Vephriel!
Avatar Credits to Samskeyti, Moonlost, Lupisdarkmoon, Nili, Britany, Kasstra, Seilahyn, and Vephriel!



Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:34 am 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:20 pm
Posts: 3200
One other think though... the focus cost of MoC is so high, that you may often gimp yourself trying to get enough focus to use it.

Regarding Fervor vs Dire Beast, what's best depends on your rotation. Likely you will want Fervor if you want to take MoC, otherwise Dire Beast will be better, unless you REALLY manage you focus well.

On MoC vs Blink vs Lynx, I already mentioned the problem with MoC and the solution above. So if you are not Fervor+MoC, the question comes down to how much damage are you doing with your rotation, and does the GCDs that are saved by Blink allow you to get more dps than the buffed Lynx?

I'll likely be staying Direbeast + Blink unless Lynx is shown to be vastly superior. Many fights these days have too much chaos to worry about watching my focus bar, I'd rather have a focus neutral rotation with Direbeast and Blink.

_________________
Account has been closed at user's request.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:30 pm 
Offline
 Community Resource
 Community Resource
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:56 am
Posts: 2624
Realm: Thrall - Garona (US)
Gender: Dood
That cooldown reduction trinket makes my brain hurt. I dinked with it on PTR, just an interested but wildcard effect.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:50 pm 
Offline
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter

Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 8:20 pm
Posts: 3200
Quivering wrote:
That cooldown reduction trinket makes my brain hurt. I dinked with it on PTR, just an interested but wildcard effect.


Yeah, and according to EJ, it's BiS for BM, but not for SV.

Does feel odd that they would nerf us with Readiness removal, and give it back in a trinket. O.o

The trinket also does Stampede, which is huge for BM.

_________________
Account has been closed at user's request.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:39 pm 
Slickrock wrote:
Likely you will want Fervor if you want to take MoC



This is false, Dire beast with Crows for Surv is showing higher numbers. Now it can be like live, where Fervor does more performance wise (due to having control over DPS burst) while dire beast does more on paper but that is yet to be scene and depends on the boss encounters.

But with that trinket making BM the optimal spec, folks will pick dire beast and blink .

Lynx is dead, been dead since the nerf and unless we see another buff will remain dead.


Top
  
Reply with quote  
Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:40 pm 
Quivering wrote:
That cooldown reduction trinket makes my brain hurt. I dinked with it on PTR, just an interested but wildcard effect.


No wildcard effect, this trinket optimizes are DPS and makes BM>Surv.

This can change. Depends if they change the abilities that are effected. Its a huge DPS gain for BM hunters.


Top
  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Forum locked This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 22 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group