*grumble* Helya as BM? More like Helno
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*grumble* Helya as BM? More like Helno
We've not taken her down yet, though we came very close last night. The fight, itself, is interesting and a bit of a challenge. I do think that it's a bit harsher than it should be for the gear levels one expects to see in Normal. My biggest complaint, however, is that it's a really big PITA to do as BM. Pet pathing is just plain awful. I've had Hati and my pet refuse to come up the stairs onto the platforms, meaning I had to stop DPS, dismiss 'em, then summon 'em again. I've also had them get stuck on terrain when the tanks didn't aim Helya's breath well and the adds spawned on walls. My pets got up there just fine, but then they go into Kitten Up A Tree mode and refuse to come down. When they do manage to keep from getting stuck or deciding there's no path available to go up the three steps to get to a mob, they often seem to move danged slow.
As BM, I don't expect to top the DPS meter, but dang, that fight has me spending almost as much time dismissing and re-summoning pets as I spend doing actual DPS. The MM hunter in the raid (who doesn't use Lone Wolf) isn't as heavily impacted when her pet gets stuck so she doesn't really need to worry about interrupting her DPS to get Fluffy up the stairs or off the wall.
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ok, I will let myself out now...
*slithers away*
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The pet pathing issue was asked multiple times in the Q&A submissions and it appears that they ignored it. It appears they ignored everything to do with Hunters.
If they expect us to have faith I'd point to the fact that Madness of Deathwing had similar issues, making BM (and Hunters in general) almost useless for it. And not only was that not addressed in the life of the expansion, it was still a bug in Warlords and probably still is. So it's hard to have faith when there are concrete examples of them ignoring bugs that pretty much brick a class or spec for a raid tier and hoping that it'll be forgotten by the next expansion.
Re: *grumble* Helya as BM? More like Helno
I've posted to Warcraft Devs on Twitter, asking if they can please give us an update:
https://twitter.com/WayneGWoods/status/ ... 6144453632
Feel free to chime in or post your own questions. This is a really serious bug and it seems that it's being put in the too-hard basket.
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.@WayneGWoods @WarcraftDevs QA recently investigated these and other hunter pet bugs you all have been reporting and we now have bugs in!"
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https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/797198525310173184
He says that it's been noticed and that there are "bugs in" for this and other Hunter bugs we've been reporting. I'm unsure if he meant "bug fixes in", which would be awesome, or if he meant official bug reports submitted, which is at least still something.
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He clarified a bit later, he meant that the bug reports are officially "in and have been read" so that they can be worked on for upcoming fixes.Wain wrote:There's an update already, by Mr Feasel
https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/797198525310173184
He says that it's been noticed and that there are "bugs in" for this and other Hunter bugs we've been reporting. I'm unsure if he meant "bug fixes in", which would be awesome, or if he meant official bug reports submitted, which is at least still something.
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Hopefully now that it's on the radar it'll be fixed relatively soon. Also, those stairs... not even human intelligence can get up them sometimes, grumble mumble.
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Today I died multiple times because my pets refused to follow me, or to attack when told to do so.
It seems there was a blade of grass blocking their path.
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I did put 'em on passive for a couple of the attempts. Unfortunately, they'd still derp out on me. Standing on a platform and seeing GIR and Hati chillin down below in the waves while I keep telling 'em to attack a tentacle or add is darned frustrating. I wonder if they're doing it on purpose just to get a raise or something.Rawr wrote:Set ur pets to Passive then use /patattack macro to send them somewhere, like on Helya or on a tentacle near her or on one of the big adds. It's what I do, also regularly heal ur pets on that fight as the poison will kill them both. We one shot her and papa fire-beard on Wednesday, 3 shot dog-faces. Hope this helps. good luck
Even sadder is when a mis-aimed breath resulted in a blob spawning up on top of one of the pillars up on a platform. The pets ran up there just fine, but then wouldn't come down.
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When they try to fix them on a case by case basis they never fix them all, and it just leaves the door open to more problems in the future. I just wish they'd fix it once and for all. Pet AI and pathing issues hasn't really improved in 12 years.
In the meantime, you can try spamming this macro whenever your pet is stuck:
/petattack
/petpassive
/petassist
/petfollow
/petpassive
/petassist
It only works in combat, but it'll usually teleport the pet to your side, which is quicker than dismissing. Still doesn't help those situations where the pet just refuses to attack though.
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Not that it matters because Hati is constantly running back to my side and doesn't use/have blink strikes anyway but man. I'm really disliking BM more and more the longer this expansion goes on, and the fact that there isn't a viable second spec* as a pure DPS class is making the whole thing hurt even more.
(* "viable" in this case being purely subjective and not used in the traditional "how does Blizzard balance specs" sense; MM is obviously viable from a "will people take it to raids" perspective, but I can't stand playing it, so it isn't personally viable. SV both isn't fun to play and won't be taken to raids, at least with my guild's roster since we're already so desperately overfull on melee, so it doesn't tick either viability box.)
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So either these problems aren't on LFR or they were fixed. It's not a fluke either, since I ran twice.
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