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Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:55 pm 
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Howdy all! I have put together a visual comparison for all the known tameable beasts that appear to be getting an updated model in BfA. It is still fairly early, so these may not be set in stone. This also gives us an easy to reference thread to pinpoint updates we want to focus feedback on!

Just as a point of clarity, this is a single round of comparisons that only includes beasts currently tameable that correlates with an updated model. This list does not include:
  • Updated non-tameable models (prairie dogs).
  • Updated non-tameable models that seem likely candidates to become tameable (diemetradon).
  • Skins that have an updated model equivalent, but old models have not been updated as of Feb 20th (parrots).

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Carrion Bird
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Old: Vulture Blue
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Old: Ghostly Blue
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Old: Vulture Brown
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Old: Vulture Red
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Old: Vulture White
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Crab
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Old: Blue
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Old: Bronze
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Old: Gem
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Old: Red
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Old: Silver
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Gorilla
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Old: Black
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Old: Dark Grey
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Old: Red
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Old: White
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Hyena

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Old: Grey
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Old: Orange
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Old: Orange (darker)
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Old: Purple
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Old: Red
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Old: Yellow
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Mech

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Old: Chicken
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Scalehide

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Old: Stegodon Blue
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Old: Stegodon Dark Green
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Old: Stegodon Light Green
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Old: Stegodon Red
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Spider

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Old: Gracile Black Widow
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Old: Gracile Crystal
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Old: Gracile Grey
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Old: Gracile Jungle
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Old: Gracile Olive
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Old: Gracile Purple
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Old: Gracile Red
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Old: Gracile Tan
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Old: Bone Brown
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Old: Bone Dark Brown
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Old: Bone Green Grey
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Old: Bone Grey
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Old: Bone Rusty Buff
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Old: Tarantula Green
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Old: Tarantula Lava
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Old: Tarantula Orange
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Old: Tarantula Red
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Old: Barbed Orange Black
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Old: Barbed Red Black
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Old: Barbed Red Yellow
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Wind Serpent

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Old: Green
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Old: Orange (brighter)
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Old: Orange (darker)
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Old: Red
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Old: Red w/ Orange Wings
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Old: White
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New: Grand Light Brown
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Very good work so far, Quiv :D


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Thanks mate. Wow, this is fantastic work! If you don't mind I'll try to adapt this to make a page on the main site as well.

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I do think the new hyena looks good. But I kinda liked that the previous hyena looked scrawny and rugged. As if it feeds on whatever dead thing it can find in the wild.


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Wow, they're really afraid of vibrant, saturated colors, aren't they (except hyenas, apparently)? Wasn't as apparent to me before. Really disappointed in the new "white" wind serpent. Not sure who took that and said, "Hey! Let's change this crisp, pretty white and lavender color to MUD." >.<

Edit: A lot of accent colors have gone the way of the dodo, too. Check out the old vs. new red crab. No white underside, no teal claw highlights. It's just a flat, uniform red. White vulture. Blue thunder lizard. Red mine spider. Why are you so afraid of vivid colors, Blizz? :(

Edit 2: I don't want that to take away from the work you did, Quiv. Very nice job!

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I posted a link to a video of Bellular's in another thread where he talks about this. Should take a look at it :)


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I think some of these are clearly better replacements than others.

We can't expect them all to look like higher-poly versions of the old colours, but I think they could at least be in the same colour range. A few are not.

For me, the worst replacements are:

- the white windserpent. The replacement is in no way white, nor was it ever intended to be white. It was created to look like a sidewinder snake. The black one should also have a lot more blue in its body, but it's still not as bad a replacement as the white one.
- all the thunder lizards I think are terrible replacements for the old ones, even though the model is lovely. The green with red spikes is perhaps the closest to the one it replaces, but the spikes still look so poor in comparison to the originals. The grey-green being replaced by the brown is a truly unfathomable choice.
- bonespider(2)_ochre: the two colours aren't even in the same spectrum range.
- minespider2_olive: again, it completely missed the palette. most of the mine spiders are pretty good, though.
- minespider2_cave - completely different end of the light/dark spectrum to the original
- the hyenas lack texture, and look more like they were dipped in paint. The red seems to me to be the worst of them, though the purple isn't good either. The 'black' looks like someone just read the name on the original skin and never looked at the skin to see what it actually looked like (it actually should be dark brown). It's strange that the replacement creature that shouldn't have high saturation does, while the replacement creatures that should (crabs, spiders, etc.) lack it.
- same with gorilla_grey: the original 'grey' was actually more like white, but I wonder if the artist didn't check that and just went off the name.
- the truesilver crab lacks any kind of shine at all, but it should be brightly metallic. The lack of shine is obvious in the new crabs in general (in fact all the new arthropods, which should have much higher contrast to give the impression of smooth, shiny shells). Maybe (hopefully) something will be done to the model to address this, like an over-effect. It could conceivably already be there but the model viewer isn't showing it. - update: the shine is added on the model.
- the white vulture mostly has the same colour palette, but it's extremely dull compared to the original. and no red eyes :(

My favourites:
- most of the mine spiders, just not the ones that are meant to be bright and shiny
- the red gorilla, and mechanical gorilla are gorgeous
- some of the crabs are lovely replacements
- the robot chicken is spot on and beautiful
- the tarantulas are gorgeous!

Most of the model work seems really lovely. And the art is all perfectly good for new creatures, but it's just for replacement beasts that I think some of it needs work.

Key sentence for me: things that should be subdued and finely-textured (e.g. hyenas) are instead often over-saturated, while things should be bright, saturated or high-contrast (spiders, reptiles, crabs, some birds) are often instead dulled or subdued.

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It looks like some one got lazy and just used the fill feature for more than half these textures. Im fine with the mesh updates but why are the textures so dull? :| :mrgreen:

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I think they are trying to create models that will still look good several xpacs down the road instead of just lasting an xpac or two before they start looking dated.


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Amazing work Quiv, this will be such an excellent resource for giving feedback, it's really helpful to see them all at a glance side by side like this too (and the animated gifs are a nice touch!)

Unfortunately, as others have mentioned, it just highlights how poorly some of these models have been updated, in terms of being faithful to the look and feel of the originals.

I will...go through and write up more detailed feedback later, but as a blanket comment I'm really disappointed at the lack of vivid colours, and in some places complete departure from original colour schemes.

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Wow, that's a lot of work, amazing job Quiv!

.....i hate almost all of them, when I see them lined up like this. x.x I like the wind serpents except for the white one and... almost every other update looks nothing like the original. I mean, on their own? Most of them look awesome! But they're not standalone new models, they're replacements, and you can't just throw in something that looks nothing like the old one and say it's good enough. That's not how model updates work.

(i realize that I say this but the standard Blizzard has set does, in fact, insist that model updates work exactly like that. Oh, well.)

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I second the thought that as stand alone creatures, they're awesome. Some of them, but not all, are good replacements. Some are so far off of the original as to look nothing like it. Some things need bright, crisp colors. And the hyenas really could use more shading. They look half finished.

Thanks for putting this all together. It's easier to get a feel for it this way!

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Valnaaros wrote:
I think they are trying to create models that will still look good several xpacs down the road instead of just lasting an xpac or two before they start looking dated.


But they don't look good now is what I'm saying.
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The crab current has detailed texture making it look like it's under water, the new crab is a mat grey. Other differences like how the current crab's stone and eye seem to glow, new crab again is a flat red.
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Most of the new stuff looks like this, no or missing detail the old textures have. New meshes are great but the textures need a touch up, we are likely going to be looking at these for a very long time, I agree, that why they should not look like the Fill tool was used exclusively. :| Also I'm not sure if it's because I'm colorblind (Tritanomaly/Tritanopia) but the vast differences between old and new textures make me think they weren't even trying to get close to the old colors. :| :mrgreen:

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My biggest concerns are the white vulture, hyenas, and black widow. I see issue with a lot of them, but these strike home the most for me.

White vulture: Beside the obvious color differences (like black on wings), this one feels like it lost part of its... idk how to describe it.. soul, I guess. The old Zaricotl looks manic almost. Its eyes mainly. While I appreciate the new vulture as a stand alone update and the eyes do look better technically, this one lost something more than color to me.

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Hyena: Folks have pointed out a lot of issues with the hyenas, but my issue is the eyes. I figure the way the old eyes are is just part of the limitation of their day, and the new eyes are technically better. However the ways the old eyes were made was one of my biggest draws toward hyenas. They just add character to me, and thats completely gone. Its like a different animal now.

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Black Widow: I just like the darker shinier black on the widow. They aren't afraid of that kind of black in new models, just look at the black bee. A side-by-side shows it. I would be thrilled if the new widow was as black as the new bee!

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Dishonorable mention: I am not thrilled with Karkin but waiting till he is seen in game, maybe he will have some effect placed on him. Also the blue wind serpent belly irks me. I wanted it to be a shade of blue like the old.

This all being said, I am in love with the new blue/black stegodons as models. While their colors aren't the best updates, I just like them by theirself.

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So.. time for me to be the contrarian again...

I get that the new (EARLY) models don't have the bright colors of the old models, and I'd agree it would be nicer if they were closer.

However.. on many of those above, I would NEVER have tamed them prior, as their models were so low-poly and terrible that I couldn't stand looking at them. Now, with the new models, I'd certainly consider taming some of them to use, especially the hyenas.

models > colors.


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That's totally understandable, Slickrock, and that's why I mentioned that as standalones, the models look great! (mostly)

The problem I'm having, even with some models that I also would never have tamed due to model limitations, is that they're essentially misinterpreting the POINT of model updates. This is not new for Blizzard- ever since the bears (who I happen to absolutely adore, but that's not the point) or the player model updates (female tauren spots look NOTHING like the old ones), they've been setting the standard that more poly count is more important than being faithful to the old model.

I REALLY take issue with this idea but especially when it comes to wide-scale model swaps. The problem is that this game is about 15 years old. In 15 years, like it or not, Blizzard needs to acknowledge that people have grown to love some things about the old models, and to replace them with things that look absolutely nothing alike while saying "it's an upgrade!" is a bit... disrespectful to the players that have been here since the beginning.

But more than that, they just don't have any reason to be like this. The models look awesome! So what HAPPENED when they did the colors??? In some cases it legitimately looks like no effort was made to even try to mimic the old coloration, going with something new. But... why? I can assure you Blizzard has the artists and resources available to pull up two images and compare them. Maybe pull up that Zaricotl and say "oh it has black on the wings". It's not that the new models look actively worse (sometimes), there's just absolutely no reason for them to look so different.

And instead of that, they seem to have instead done minor color adjustments and called it a day. It just reeks of laziness and a lack of concern about getting it even close to right, and yeah- I think that's gunna really bother a lot of us.

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LupisDarkmoon wrote:
It's not that the new models look actively worse (sometimes), there's just absolutely no reason for them to look so different.


Well, the only thing I can think of is that quite a few of these brighter models, when under various lighting and spell effects, are basically glowing blobs, as the base colors are so bright already. So subdued base colors would bring that under control.

I do agree that they could be brighter, but have to wonder if it's an internal aesthetic change at Blizz, or part of some other directive based on other graphics designs.


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ugh.. they ruined karkin.. why not give its white markings with it? :c

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The hyenas look like they're plush. And the spots are less interesting on a lot of the colors. It's especially noticeable on the red and violet skins, where the original spots are lighter with brown center (for red) and black (for violet). The new skins are just a poorly matched and poorly blended gray.

I'm glad to see a lot of old models being updated though. I have a crab, beetle, gorilla (and robot gorilla), winged serpent, and stegodon (... and hyena) in my stables, so the new skins will be appreciated.


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