Sukurachi wrote:please quote my post where I say that.Qraljar wrote:The part where you make the erroneous assumption that the model and animations didn't exist/weren't worked on before people started complaining about it.
the show was advertised, on television.
Blizzard never made any statements at the time of the show that BOTH bikes would be in-game. They always said that only one bike would be.
People jumped to the (correct, as it turned out) conclusion that both bikes would somehow make their way into the game.
I have made absolutely no statements regarding a timeline for the animation of the resultant bikes.
All I said was that people were told only one bike would make it, most people didn't complain at that time.
Then when it was clear that it was the horde bike making it into the game, the alliance players started hollering that it "wasn't fair".
There were COUNTLESS threads and postings on different forums about how "Blizzard favours the horde".
Deny that all you want, you'll still be wrong.
And invent strawman arguments all your want, and you'll again still be wrong.
You implied it through how you worded your posts. You are acting like people complained the bike into the game, which brings us to your, perhaps inadvertent, statement regarding a timeline.
But first about your claim that they never said the Alliance one would make it into the game. Indeed, they never explicitly said so. But what they did do was heavily emphasize the fact that the Horde bike would be in the game for free. In hindsight, that could be interpreted as foreshadowing that the Alliance bike would be in, just not for free.
Now the part where you did make a claim about the timelines through implying that the Alliance players got it solely through complaining.
Blizzard is in a hurry to get Warlords of Draenor out, and they've already had to cut/put a few features on halt because of time constraints. Do you really think that Blizzard, in that state, would be able to just shake a new mount with new unique animations out of their pockets or their sleeves like that? Do you think they would want to?
If so, you're really denying common sense in favour of your own skewed view, and ignoring what cause of events is more logical just so you can fuel your unreasonable rage about the fact that "oh my god those alliance got their bike, whineeers!". At which point it makes no sense to discuss this with you, as you'd not even be open to getting your mind changed, and you're just here to bellyache about the fact that the Horde didn't get solely rewarded merely because they took the time to push a button.
And yes, there were Alliance fans that whined, and Alliance fans (as well as Horde/neutral fans) that had enough to say about the Azeroth Choppers contest, and criticized it. A lot of people make the mistake of lumping those two groups together. A lot of people do it intentionally, because they perceive any slight or negative criticism towards a concept they personally like as "whining".
Whatever the case -- at the end of the day, you're still trying to make a distinction where there isn't any. You're condemning the Alliance for a part of their fan-base that acted irrationally, presumably assuming that the Horde would and never did such things. I can tell you one thing: that would be a claim made of ignorance or obnoxious faction pride. I don't know which it is, but if it is the latter, I feel even less desire to discuss this with you, as those kinds of fans are just plain toxic.
I don't particularly care about how slighted you feel by this, or how you feel this made the act of pushing a button useless for you now, I'm just addressing misinformation and irrationality.
However, next when you complain about people doing what you perceive as whining, try to refrain from whining yourself, which is what I really got from your post. Whining about whining is just silly.
Wain wrote:There's no hard evidence either way, but I'm convinced they intended to make both bikes available from the start.
This is, indeed, the more likely situation, and the more logical one. But some people want to ignore what is logical to what makes it easier for them to justify their own bellyaching. In the end, I don't really care much for either chopper, but more about the "holier-than-thou" gloating act from a lot of Horde fans.
In the end, when they ignore what is more likely, and instead go with their own skewed view solely because that view makes it easier for them to justify their toxic behaviour, it tells me that they are more immature, and more bothersome than the "alliance whiners" they are condemning.