War of the Thorns annoyances
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I know I know...they are Horde BUT surely they can't be a willing participant in this?! I haven't done the horde side of the quest so if there is something I'm missing feel free to fill me in cause as it stand it makes no sense. The other races sure...but not Tauren.
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$30 says the Naga did it.
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I very much doubt the NELFs would burn their own tree...but why are the Tauren there? It still makes little sense to me. Going to war against the NELF which they share a lot of culture with isn't a logical thing to me unless they do something terrible to them first.Flyra wrote:Sylvanas does not want to burn the world tree she wants to capture and occupy it. I think it's going to either be an accident or the Nelfs doing it - preventing people from occupying their tree.
Does the Horde questline say that she doesn't want to burn it out of curiosity?
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As for the Tauren moving in, the most logical thing I can think of is that Baine is not in any position to turn around and deny his people marching on the World Tree. Sylvanas doesn't exactly take no for an answer. I am with you that it really doesn't make sense for the Tauren to turn on the Night Elves and move to attack their home considering how closely linked the two are, but-- I'm really hoping there's a decent explanation to this from Blizzard in the upcoming quests.
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I am not sure how to make a spoiler tag, but seeing as this is out already, I'm not sure it needs one?
From the WoWhead quest text:
And if you speak to her when she has a dialogue popup after accepting the quest afterwards:The Warchief Commands
Find Saurfang in the Northern Barrens.
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Silithus. That has been the name of the game... or rather, that is what I wanted the Alliance to believe. Make no mistake, Azerite is just as powerful as it is rumored to be but I have bigger plans in mind. High Overlord Saurfang is leading an army towards Silithus. By now, he should be in the Northern Barrens. I want you to intercept him and notify him that the preparations are complete. Preparations for what, you ask? Why, we are going to capture the World Tree.
Sylvanas: "You would ask a question of me, <Character Name>?"
You: "Warchief, may I ask why we want to capture Teldrassil?"
Sylvanas: "Time is not a luxury we possess, but I respect your desire to know more. <Sylvanas points to Silithus on the map>. THIS has forever altered the balance of power in Azeroth. Deposits of Azerite are being located across the world, <Character Name>. Though we do not yet understand its full potential, it is clear that this substance has vast destructive capability. What will war look like in twenty years? In a hundred? How can the Horde hope to defend its borders if the Alliance controls the flow of Azerite?"
You: "It is uncertain, Warchief."
Sylvanas: "What IS certain is that the Alliance will use Darnassus as a safe harbor for funneling Azerite into the Eastern Kingdoms. Anduin Wrynn will build powerful new weapons, and sooner or later he will turn them upon our homelands. First he will strike at the Undercity and Silvermoon, then his gaze will fall upon Kalimdor. For the sake of the Horde's future, we must be the first to act. By occupying Darnassus, we will control the flow of Azerite and ensure it cannot be used against us. The Alliance will dare not attack its own city for fear of harming civilians. With a single stroke, we will guarantee generations of peace."
You: "The night elves will fight us at every step."
Sylvanas: "The kaldorei will defy our occupation... unless we break their spirits. We must inflict a blow that will show them what is at stake. They need to lose something... someone... in whom they have absolute trust and faith. A symbol of hope. <The Dark Lady narrows her eyes.> Malfurion Stormrage must die."
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All in all, there isn't a reason for any of the Horde to be going into this war. Even if the events at Teldrassil are a complete accident, everything up to that point was intentional. The destruction of nature, the slaughter of innocents, the hostile takeover, etc. The Alliance has every reason to go to war with the Horde at this point. Stormheim hasn't been brought up at all by anyone in the Horde (and that couldn't be done by Sylvanas without her having to explain what her intentions in Stormheim were), nor the killing of Goblin miners in Silithus (Azeroth herself has expressed a strong dislike for Goblins).
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I did not see a single mention of burning it down. It's worth more not burnt to the horde then burnt.Castile wrote:I very much doubt the NELFs would burn their own tree...but why are the Tauren there? It still makes little sense to me. Going to war against the NELF which they share a lot of culture with isn't a logical thing to me unless they do something terrible to them first.Flyra wrote:Sylvanas does not want to burn the world tree she wants to capture and occupy it. I think it's going to either be an accident or the Nelfs doing it - preventing people from occupying their tree.
Does the Horde questline say that she doesn't want to burn it out of curiosity?
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Maybe not, but I certainly wouldn't put it past Genn Greymane.Valnaaros wrote:The NEs would never burn Teldrassil under any circumstances.
There are any number of other people on the Alliance side who could go to extremes simply to cause problems for the Horde.
I'm praying to the Sunwell that Blizzard does NOT go the "let's make the leader of the Horde the bad guy" route again. I want it to be some Alliance scum who thinks like a radical and is blinded by hate and fury.
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As for the Tauren, what have the Night Elves even done for them? Did they help them when the Centaurs threatened to wipe them out? Or, maybe, when the Quillboar were attacking due to drought after the Cataclysm? No? Only united forces against world-threatening enemies? Thought so. Similarities in faith only go so far and last so long. Look at Elves and Humans - their faith is also similar and it didn't stop them from spatting at one another even before the Horde has been formed.
My Tauren (druid, by the way) personally has been attacked by the Alliance during their ambush and assassination attempt in Stormheim, right in the middle of her quest to get the Aegis of Aggramar to save the world. The Forsaken forces sent to help her in the quest had to be redirected to be fighting Gilneans instead.
She has also been in Silithus and seen dead Goblin Miners and SI7 spies (the same SI7, by the way, that got infiltrated by the demons and lead united armies of the factions into the trap on the Broken Shore, causing massive losses and deaths of Varian Wrynn and Warchief Vol'jinn).
Now the Warchief says there are SI7 spies sneaking around Orgrimmar - and, as the Night Elven fleet moves out to Silithus according to the false information Sylvanas planted, I have no reason to not trust her that a war is coming and decisive action can stop it before it brews fully.
Yes, the loss of Malfurion Stormrage would have been a great blow to the whole world, and I think my character would not have been able to kill him in Saurfang's shoes, but war is war. And Malfurion's not on the same side this time.
Edit: There is also a big thread with various Horde druids explaining their PoV on the official forum!
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From someone who plays both Alliance and Horde all the time, I can say that this is insanely unlikely. Except, so is a tauren druid agreeing to kill Malfurion, or helping the forsaken spread plague across the landscape and wipe out all life, human, plant and animal. So, really, who knows any more?Sukurachi wrote:Maybe not, but I certainly wouldn't put it past Genn Greymane.Valnaaros wrote:The NEs would never burn Teldrassil under any circumstances.
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You don't know that.that irked me to no end is that I was fighting Tauren in Ashenvale who where helping Sylvannas who ultimately burns the world tree..
The tree can burn down for a multitude of reasons. For all we know, Malfurion steps on a spike and stumbles back with his hair on fire and accidentally sets the tree on fire. The Tauren are helping her capture the tree.
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Sylvanas, and the other hand, wants to wage war against the Alliance and doesn't care about peace or saving Azeroth. When Magni comes to her and requests the Horde's help, she lies and tells him that she will send aid. She also assumes that Anduin will utilize Azerite to attack the Horde, even though nothing suggests that he will.
We also know that both Sylvanas and Nathanos view humanity as a burden and undeath as a blessing. In the novel, one of Sylvanas' goals is to sack Stormwind so that she can reanimate all of the humans there. Nathanos remarks in BfA that all humans will eventually serve Sylvanas.
In regards to the Tauren, their Druids would still have a huge problem with this. All Tauren druids are members of the Cenarion Circle. The Cenarion Circle is an organization deidcated to the preservation of nature. You can have individuals that can make excuses for what they are doing, but the majority of Tauren druids would be against burning forests, killing beings of Nature (furbolgs, dryads, wisps, etc), and the burning of Teldrassil (which would be considered akin to the destruction of a sacred location).
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Agreed. In BtS, Genn's hatred against the Horde (and the Forsaken) and greatly diminished. I do not think that he would attempt to burn the tree. But like you said, Wain, there are a lot of things that are happening that shouldn't beWain wrote:From someone who plays both Alliance and Horde all the time, I can say that this is insanely unlikely. Except, so is a tauren druid agreeing to kill Malfurion, or helping the forsaken spread plague across the landscape and wipe out all life, human, plant and animal. So, really, who knows any more?Sukurachi wrote:Maybe not, but I certainly wouldn't put it past Genn Greymane.Valnaaros wrote:The NEs would never burn Teldrassil under any circumstances.
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I agree that I can't see worgen/Genn burning the tree. It's their home too, remember.
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