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Unread postPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:54 pm 
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Unread postPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:38 am 
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If Deth'tilac is the fastest attacker, wouldn't that make it the best pvp pet? (Even if it's ferocity)

Due to spell pushback?


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Unread postPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:19 am 
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TL;DR probably not worth it for 0.5 sec attack speed. Probably for ~1 sec attack speed.

You only get two hits of pushback, each adding 0.5 seconds to the cast time (or each reducing channeling time by 25% of original length). Capping auto-attack speed is going to make it most likely that you'll get both of those off. But it probably isn't necessary.
At 0.25, you'll get two hits on any spell with a cast time longer than 0.25.
At 0.5, you'll get two hits on any spell with a longer cast time than you, and any shorter than you if your first swing timer hits while the enemy is casting.
At 1 second, you'll get two hits on any spell that has a 1.5 second cast time or longer. You'll have a 50% chance to get two hits on a spell with a 1 second cast time.

While an enemy player also has haste, and they can have talents (etc) that reduce their cast time of certain spells, it's unlikely for them to get their cast times to 0.25 seconds, especially for the spells you're wanting to interrupt. The three fastest cast spells are:
New Moon (balance druid talent) 1 second
place Demonic Circle (warlock talent) 0.5 seconds
Fetch 0.1 seconds.
This is all assuming that it's just your pet attacking, and only counting autoattacks.

There's also the case where you have to burst down their shield before you get pushback. But in those cases, you're usually hitting them with your hunter (and maybe some other team members) too.

So while it would guarantee you maximum pushback, you aren't gaining that many more opportunities over other fast pets. Most fast spells are 1.5 second cast time. They're going to be adjusted down for haste, just like your pet's attack speed is going to be adjusted down for haste. A fast pet is beneficial for pushback, but when you cap you lose some damage. And if you go Deth'tilac, you don't get to choose your spec / ability / looks.


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Unread postPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:39 am 
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Just adding another 1.0 speed pet to the list, didnt see it.

The small yellow flame spiders from the eggs in the cave (that required me to dismount from altitude to die, so i could rez inside). The entrance is in Valley of the Four winds. Its located in the mountains, near the bottom, just north of "The Heartland" area.

You can find the Red fire spiders, Yellow fire spiders, and a Boss thats a Green fire spider. There are eggs everywhere in here. Disturbing them by walking close enough will cause them to hatch. The hatchlings can be tamed. They have a 1.0 attack speed. All of the others have a 2.0 speed.

Its pretty nice to have two of them out at the same time and see all those numbers roll up the screen. Especially when haste buffs get them down to .3ish attack speeds. /woot


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Unread postPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:47 pm 
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Yellow Spider 1.0 w/ haste .777 auto attacking for 2.15m dmg. I have .777 @ 2.15m = 17.2k DPS

Spirit Beast Raptor 2.0 w/ haste 1.554 auto attacking for 2.15m dmg. I have 1.554 @ 2.15m = 20.2k DPS

This was testing with only the pet attacking for a set amount of damage. Same gear for both test.


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Unread postPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:00 am 
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Diffrent attackspeed is back? Hope caster stats won't come back also.

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Ensorcelled Bonepickers (Carrion Bird: Ferocity, Mortal Wounds) have a base speed of 1 second per attack. They do not keep the visual effect upon taming.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:10 pm 
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I have found another 1.0 attack speed pet. This time its a crane.

The Mead-Craving Crane which came in a wave as part of the Imperiled Merchants/Honey Coated Slitherer event/rare.

I think this guy will see alot of use.


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Unread postPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:41 pm 
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is there anyway though datamining that a more complete list of tameables with unique attack speeds can be found?


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Unread postPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:59 pm 
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Boglash is also a 1.0 attack speed pet.
Ripfang Lynxes are also a 1.5 one.


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Let's see my stable list:

Sabertron (red): 1.5
Spirit Worg: 1.5
Saurolisk Matriarch (orange and black): 1.5

I didn't add the rest (2.0) of them; just the different speeds.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:43 am 
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Another addition, the Freshwater Snappers of Tiragarde Sound have a 1.5 attack speed.
Edit: Gloomshade Howlers in Shadowmoon Valley(Draenor) have an odd 1.3 attack speed.
Zandalari Fleshrender also has a super speedy 1.0 attack speed.


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Unread postPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:22 am 
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humar the pridelord, black lion named from barrens, 1.3
yellow 2 headed vulture 1.2 (Spiteflayer from blasted i think)
green saberon 1.5

alt mystery stable,found model,dunno which mob it was
http://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=darkhound2_red 0.75
http://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id= ... der2_black 1.0


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Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:34 am 
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Zbik wrote:
humar the pridelord, black lion named from barrens, 1.3
yellow 2 headed vulture 1.2 (Spiteflayer from blasted i think)
green saberon 1.5

alt mystery stable,found model,dunno which mob it was
http://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=darkhound2_red 0.75
http://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id= ... der2_black 1.0


Was curious about a 0.75 attack speed dog and went looking for it. Its Rokad the Ravager, one of the three random optional bosses in Karazhan. While I was there, I checked the other two bosses and they had the standard 2.0 attack speed.

Also, another interesting find that I haven't seen mentioned: The Crushtacean has slow, crushing, 3.0 attack speed.


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Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:57 pm 
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Grimtotem Spirit Guide (aka original Ghost Wolf Pet) has an attack speed of 1.0.
Spirit of Koosu (slime pet - thinks it's a crocolisk) has an attack speed of 2.0.
Spiteflayer has an attack speed of 1.2.


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So I have a list of pet attack speeds from Vanilla and it looks like the Vanilla pets (Broken Tooth, Ridge Stalker Patriarch, Young Forest Bear, ect.) that have been tested are Vanilla speeds. I'm hoping if they are making the effort to bring back the individual speeds that they will also be bringing back Loyalty and Skill learning too. :D :mrgreen:

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Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:37 pm 
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So I have a list of pet attack speeds from Vanilla and it looks like the Vanilla pets (Broken Tooth, Ridge Stalker Patriarch, Young Forest Bear, ect.) that have been tested are Vanilla speeds. I'm hoping if they are making the effort to bring back the individual speeds that they will also be bringing back Loyalty and Skill learning too. :D :mrgreen:

If we don't want to deal with feeding and loyalty and skill learning, then what? (That sounds snarky and I don't mean it to be, I'm sorry! :hug: ) I liked the system then because I didn't know any different, but without it, QoL is just so much better. I don't want to carry food, I don't want to tame something I don't like because my tallstrider can't figure out how to bite harder on his own as he levels up, etc. This is coming from someone who made a plush of her pet, out of love!

If we went back to the old system, I feel like it would be really polarising between players who like pets for mechanical reasons over RP reasons, and players who like pets for RP reasons over mechanical reasons. Perhaps have a fun hunter quest where, upon completion, you are rewarded with those systems? Something like, "You seem to be a true beast master, who understands their pets' needs in a more intimate way than those who simply use their pets as tools and weapons. Let's do some quests to help you deepen your bond, and help you and your pet understand each other even further!"

(I say that and not the other way around because I'd guess the number of players who want it back are in the minority among hunters, and I fear saying "The system is back, if you don't like it, do the quest" would make an already irate playerbase even angrier.)


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