Thoughts on the new BM spec
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Thoughts on the new BM spec
And the very first thing that comes to mind now, after days of playing my BM specced hunters, is that Blizzard has really damaged the specialty of what it is to be a BM hunter.
My pets have died more times over the last week-end than over the last 10 years. I am not kidding. I am so obsessive about keeping my pet alive that usually when *I* die, my pet is still alive.
However, with the new state of pet healing, and the squishiness of our pets since the changes, it's become an almost hopeless cause to try and keep my pet alive. The only way I've managed is by pulling him from fights... which isn't exactly efficient.
And what does all this lead to?
Well, I've grown accustomed over the last few days to my pet dying... in other words, Blizzard has made my pet "expendable", a "resource" like any other, rather than a "companion in combat" who fights at my side.
I honestly think this is the very worst thing they could have done. It has robbed the class of that particular affinity that we could have with our hunter pets.
Why did I tame the rare spirit beast that I did? because I felt something for that beast, because there was a connection.
Don't suggest I switch to another spec, that is entirely pointless and useless as a suggestion.
I play BM because of the connection to my pets, and the particularly special pets I can tame.
So as far as I'm concerned, Blizz's developers screwed the pooch on our artifact weapon and its lore, and then they also screwed up with the redesign of BM hunters and their abilities. The lore makes our pets our constant companions. Not a disposable resource. THIS is a serious error on their part.
By the way, already a couple of guild members have left the game because of the way Blizz screwed up their classes. When the pleasure is gone, there's no interest in playing anymore.
A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
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I do think they wanted to make things slightly less EZ mode for soloing so they slightly nerfed the durability of pets in Tenac and greatly nerfed them in the non-tank specs, but we knew that. Still, it's easy to change so that doesn't honestly bother me. And I also think that the lack of being actually-in-a-raid when fighting the invasions means your pet blows up super easy on the big bosses because of scaling and a lack of raid mechanics.
I don't, however, know if their resistance to raid mechanics remains in actual real raiding since I haven't touched anything that wasn't ancient farming content since the patch. Maybe I'll run a LFR and see.
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If they make changes that destroy the RPG element then they fail miserably.
There are MANY people who have been playing WoW since the beginning who love it for the time invested into their characters, for the quest lines, for the lore, for the escape into another world.
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I can't rely on tank pets (or any pets) to stay alive, and they can't rely on me to heal them.
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This no longer happens. In fact, a pet seems not to even bother to defend itself if a mob runs up and you're not attacking it. It just stands there blithely unaware until you actually shoot at whatever is causing the trouble, even if the mob is biting the pet! And again, if you get aggro from an additional mob while your pet is otherwise engaged, it will completely ignore the new add until you MD it onto it.
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I was looking forward to some of the dire beast glyphs, but honestly I haven't even had a glimpse of the dire beasts I summon yet. Granted, all I've been doing are invasions which are busy and crowded, but I still don't find dire beast very...noticeable.
I also really miss kill shot.
On the plus side, the rotation feels alright for me, at least I'm adjusting to it more fluidly than I expected, and it doesn't feel terrible. And the resource management seems good. I really would like something to be done about our pets though, BM tanking and soloing and survivability has always been one of the big draws of the class/spec for me.
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As for the rest of the spec, rotation is ok though I really miss kill shot. Volley is, I missed it. But I find it randomly toggles off so I have to keep making sure it is still active.
Stampede change is absolutely terrible. I ended up making a /s macro to announce stampede and ask for (%t) to be kept in the path...
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That change to Stampede is the reason why I take Murder of Crows I don't have to worry about the mob moving on it. I don't use Volley either it's neat but it's not the Volley I remember.Makoes wrote:
As for the rest of the spec, rotation is ok though I really miss kill shot. Volley is, I missed it. But I find it randomly toggles off so I have to keep making sure it is still active.
Stampede change is absolutely terrible. I ended up making a /s macro to announce stampede and ask for (%t) to be kept in the path...
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I did as requested.
And ugh.
The BOREDOM (to me)! I sat there numbly hitting my three or four buttons in my rotation wondering why I was asked to change. I understand Archimonde can be a tough one but not sure an under powered class is truly helpful. I did not have a exotic nor SB with me since I haven't touched BM in forever. My trusty croc Gorebite would have to do. We downed him. However I sank down to 11th in the dps.
Stampeded just sucks. Has to be the worst talent regardless of the supposed dps boost it's supposed to provide. On high movement boss fights it's completely useless. Even in invasions I have seen many a frustrated hunters because the end stage bosses do no sit still.
Pet healing is just not there. I've started carrying a lot of food to help offset what mend pet should be doing.
At this point I don't see me returning to BM unless major changes are made or the artifact make it amazing I'll be staying SV.
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But according to IV, Surv also has the lowest numbers, so that's probably why you were asked to switch. I know it underperforms on dummies but that doesn't honestly say too much about how it functions on live. I wish they'd give SV a dps boost, because it's currently the most complex/skill-requiring spec we have and yet even with proper application, is way undertuned.
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I am by no means LEET when it comes playing a hunter. So a BM hunter in end game gear with all the bells and whistles would probably wipe the floor with me.
I just. Yeah. BM for me feels almost like a lost cause. I'm not expecting patches or fixes to come. Least not till well after Legion launch which really really sucks. But it is what it is. I either suck it up and play BM and deal with it or just play a different spec /class.
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Re: Thoughts on the new BM spec
Granted, adding Chimera Shot helped fill in some of those slow periods, but I feel like that's a problem in itself. I've heard a lot of people say that Chimera Shot should be baseline, and I'm now adding my voice to theirs. The rotation feels limp and incomplete without it (well, more so). I would really like to take Dire Frenzy so that I don't have random animals flying out of the Nether for a few seconds, but Chimera Shot just feels so necessary. I mean, BM isn't bad (to me), it just isn't fun either. It's like the white bread in the grocery store. It suffices, but it's certainly not cinnamon swirl bread.
All that said, however, it is nice seeing this big guy again. (And he must be good luck because I finally got my Pocket Fel Spreader while using him!)
But, at the end of the day, I think I'll stick with SV despite its cruddy numbers. I'm one of those people that prefers fun over numbers, regardless of the spec. Sadly, BM used to be the most fun to me, but now it just isn't.
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