Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

User avatar
Sukurachi
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
Posts: 2755
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
Realm: The Scryers (Horde), Argent Dawn (Alliance)
Gender: male
Location: Québec, Canada

Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Sukurachi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:36 am

Didn't they announce that Beastmastery Hunters would use Cobra Shot instead of Steady Shot once MoP and its class changes hit live?

I KNOW I read that Steady Shot would be reserved for Marksmanship or Survival (I play neither, so that detail is fuzzy), while BM got to keep only Cobra Shot for focus regen.

Well, it seems that BM still have Steady Shot, and now Cobra Shot is level 81.

Colour me confused.

A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
Casual player.. don't raid, don't PvP. Suffer from extreme altitis
I love pets - combat or non.
<That Kind of Orc> guild on The Scryers, small, casual LGBT and friends guild, join us Horde-side.


User avatar
Lisaara
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 17412
Joined: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm
Realm: Moon Guard/Icecrown/Malygos
Gender: Genderfluid
Location: US
Contact:

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Lisaara » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:03 am

I thought BM hunters were supposed to use Cobra anyway instead of steady.

But leveling wise, I'm not sure exactly. I could've sworn on the Beta, Steady was taken away from BM hunters. I also remember not seeing Steady on live either but was it put back in via the latest hotfix?

Image
LisaaraFlight RisingPokefarmPixpet
Sig Credits to Ashaine, Kamoodle, Sookie, Kurenio, Serenith, Ket Shi, Nili, Rongar, Britany, TheDoomcookie, Vyndara, and Vephriel!
Avatar Credits to Samskeyti, Moonlost, Lupisdarkmoon, Nili, Britany, Kasstra, Seilahyn, and Vephriel!


User avatar
GormanGhaste
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 5006
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:00 pm
Realm: Uldaman (and Ravencrest)

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by GormanGhaste » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:18 am

Sukurachi wrote:It seems that BM still have Steady Shot, and now Cobra Shot is level 81. Colour me confused.
BM has been using Cobra Shot all through Cataclysm. We have Cobra Shot right now, I don't know where you are getting this level 81?
Last edited by GormanGhaste on Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
Image

Neilaren
Artisan Hunter
Artisan Hunter
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun May 13, 2012 9:17 pm
Realm: Shu'halo (H), Mok'nathal (A)
Gender: Female
Location: Portland, ME
Contact:

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Neilaren » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:22 am

81's when it's learned. When you level a hunter you have Steady Shot until then.

BM and Survival use it because that's how they refresh Serpent Sting. (MM has Chimera Shot for that, and then they get bonuses from using Steady Shot.)

Not surprised that nothing's really changed on that front, but I am surprised they didn't move Cobra Shot down to baseline for the specs that use it, instead of continuing to have a hunter wait until 81.

User avatar
GormanGhaste
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 5006
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:00 pm
Realm: Uldaman (and Ravencrest)

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by GormanGhaste » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:28 am

Oh sorry, I saw 81 and was thinking 86. I'm going senile, I don't remember the beginning of Cataclysm stuff any more, too long ago :)
Image

Albain
Expert Hunter
Expert Hunter
Posts: 398
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:23 pm
Realm: Wyrmrest Accord
Gender: Male
Location: Lost Isles

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Albain » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:37 am

BM has always learned cobra shot at 81. It's been that way since we were able to get cobra shot. I remember looking forward to it on three of my hunter alts because it refreshes serpent sting. We don't get it out the start gate at 10, but we do get it eventually, and it is 'our shot'.

Neilaren
Artisan Hunter
Artisan Hunter
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun May 13, 2012 9:17 pm
Realm: Shu'halo (H), Mok'nathal (A)
Gender: Female
Location: Portland, ME
Contact:

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Neilaren » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:46 am

GormanGhaste wrote:Oh sorry, I saw 81 and was thinking 86. I'm going senile, I don't remember the beginning of Cataclysm stuff any more, too long ago :)
I only ever remember because I keep making hunter alts, and then being in a dungeon like "Baaaah I have to refresh serpent sting manually! Bah!"

User avatar
Meggers
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 3822
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:21 pm
Realm: Sargeras US
Gender: Female
Location: Edmonton, AB

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Meggers » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:52 am

Neilaren wrote:81's when it's learned. When you level a hunter you have Steady Shot until then.

BM and Survival use it because that's how they refresh Serpent Sting. (MM has Chimera Shot for that, and then they get bonuses from using Steady Shot.)

Not surprised that nothing's really changed on that front, but I am surprised they didn't move Cobra Shot down to baseline for the specs that use it, instead of continuing to have a hunter wait until 81.

Same, on my baby hunter on the nesingwary server I made to hang out with petopians...I was like "Wheres my cobra shot?" and sifting through the spellbook 8934754 times.

I'm still not sure how I feel about waiting for both that and BM for so long. XD
Avatar by LupisDarkmoon
ImageImage

User avatar
Sukurachi
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
Posts: 2755
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
Realm: The Scryers (Horde), Argent Dawn (Alliance)
Gender: male
Location: Québec, Canada

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Sukurachi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:39 pm

Jessibelle wrote:I thought BM hunters were supposed to use Cobra anyway instead of steady.
why?

Cobra causes less damage, despite renewing Serpent.
If Serpent has just been applied, there's no need to renew it immediately, is there?
Steady causes more damage on hit.

I don't get the "BM are supposed to use Cobra" thing.

A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
Casual player.. don't raid, don't PvP. Suffer from extreme altitis
I love pets - combat or non.
<That Kind of Orc> guild on The Scryers, small, casual LGBT and friends guild, join us Horde-side.


User avatar
Meggers
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 3822
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:21 pm
Realm: Sargeras US
Gender: Female
Location: Edmonton, AB

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Meggers » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:24 pm

Sukurachi wrote:
Jessibelle wrote:I thought BM hunters were supposed to use Cobra anyway instead of steady.
why?

Cobra causes less damage, despite renewing Serpent.
If Serpent has just been applied, there's no need to renew it immediately, is there?
Steady causes more damage on hit.

I don't get the "BM are supposed to use Cobra" thing.

I could have sworn it had a special proc on it that did something for the pet...can't find it. Still looking.
Avatar by LupisDarkmoon
ImageImage

User avatar
Tahlian
Master Hunter
Master Hunter
Posts: 1090
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:49 am
Realm: Feathermoon

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Tahlian » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:26 pm

The elemental damage of Cobra ignores armor. It's fine for BM to use it...trust me.

Here there be dragons... http://dragcave.net/user/Tahlian

And here there be more dragons, too...http://flightrising.com/main.php?p=lair&id=22415


User avatar
Sukurachi
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
Posts: 2755
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
Realm: The Scryers (Horde), Argent Dawn (Alliance)
Gender: male
Location: Québec, Canada

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Sukurachi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:33 pm

LOL

I don't mean it's not fine to use.

I'm just a bit annoyed that I've been avoiding Steady just to "get used to the changes".. and... they don't change it.
So I borked up my usual rotation (not a major issue, but still) in preparation of a change to how Hunter abilities work, and then find out I didn't have to.

A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
Casual player.. don't raid, don't PvP. Suffer from extreme altitis
I love pets - combat or non.
<That Kind of Orc> guild on The Scryers, small, casual LGBT and friends guild, join us Horde-side.


User avatar
Kalliope
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 14062
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:40 am
Realm: Dethecus
Location: Thedas
Contact:

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Kalliope » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:51 pm

I'm confused by this thread - my hunter doesn't have Steady Shot at all in BM spec at 85, only Cobra Shot. Steady Shot, which had been on a bar for backup, was replaced by a second Cobra Shot icon.

And as said in the last thread on the subject (as well as this one), non-marks hunters used Cobra Shot throughout Cataclysm, so there's been no "change," aside from the removal of Steady Shot from the hunter specs that don't use it.

Cobra Shot refreshes Serpent Sting for the hunter. Marks hunters didn't need that because Chimera Shot refreshed it instead.

The skills are identical outside of the type of damage done, so I'm not sure how this borks your rotation regardless. :/

Image
Kalliope's Pantheon of Pets
YouTube Edition
Thanks to Serenith for the avatar and signature!


User avatar
Sukurachi
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
Posts: 2755
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
Realm: The Scryers (Horde), Argent Dawn (Alliance)
Gender: male
Location: Québec, Canada

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Sukurachi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:02 pm

well, my 75 BM Hunter has Steady shot both on her action bar and in her spellbook.

do BM hunters LOSE Steady shot when they gain Cobra?

A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
Casual player.. don't raid, don't PvP. Suffer from extreme altitis
I love pets - combat or non.
<That Kind of Orc> guild on The Scryers, small, casual LGBT and friends guild, join us Horde-side.


User avatar
Bonita
Master Hunter
Master Hunter
Posts: 1171
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:06 pm
Realm: Whisperwind (A), Nesingwary (H),
Gender: Female

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Bonita » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:04 pm

Kalliope wrote:I'm confused by this thread - my hunter doesn't have Steady Shot at all in BM spec at 85, only Cobra Shot. Steady Shot, which had been on a bar for backup, was replaced by a second Cobra Shot icon.
^ same here. Lol I think once you pick a spec you either learn cobra or steady depending on the spec once you've chosen. (Id have to check, but Im lazy)

Nvm Id then assume that cobra replaces it at 81 then lol.

Image
Sig made by Iggypuff
Credit to Sookie, Kurenio, Thorka and Karin for the amazing sigs they made me and Kurenio, Thorka and Seilahyn for the awesome avatars.
Flight Rising!


User avatar
Sukurachi
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
Posts: 2755
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
Realm: The Scryers (Horde), Argent Dawn (Alliance)
Gender: male
Location: Québec, Canada

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Sukurachi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:07 pm

I've checked.
my lower level hunters all have Steady.

they have Cobra in the Spellbook at 81, but there is absolutely nothing in there that says "replaces Cobra Shot".

With my paladin, there are spells where it is specified that "x spell replaces y spell" when you learn it.

Did Blizz simply forget to include that info here?

A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
Casual player.. don't raid, don't PvP. Suffer from extreme altitis
I love pets - combat or non.
<That Kind of Orc> guild on The Scryers, small, casual LGBT and friends guild, join us Horde-side.


User avatar
Kalliope
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 14062
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:40 am
Realm: Dethecus
Location: Thedas
Contact:

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Kalliope » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:10 pm

Sukurachi wrote:I've checked.
my lower level hunters all have Steady.

they have Cobra in the Spellbook at 81, but there is absolutely nothing in there that says "replaces Cobra Shot".

With my paladin, there are spells where it is specified that "x spell replaces y spell" when you learn it.

Did Blizz simply forget to include that info here?
Sounds like it! Or perhaps it's a bug with hunters that didn't have Cobra Shot access prior to the patch....? Hrm.

I wonder why Cobra Shot doesn't just replace Steady Shot when you can spec at level 10. Odd.

Image
Kalliope's Pantheon of Pets
YouTube Edition
Thanks to Serenith for the avatar and signature!


User avatar
Sukurachi
Grand Master Hunter
Grand Master Hunter
Posts: 2755
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:10 am
Realm: The Scryers (Horde), Argent Dawn (Alliance)
Gender: male
Location: Québec, Canada

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Sukurachi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:18 pm

it says quite clearly in the spec description that BM gets Cobra shot at 81.
And in the specs for MM, it includes Steady Shot as a base ability (no specified level).

A bit of palindromic wisdom:
"Step on no pets!"
Casual player.. don't raid, don't PvP. Suffer from extreme altitis
I love pets - combat or non.
<That Kind of Orc> guild on The Scryers, small, casual LGBT and friends guild, join us Horde-side.


User avatar
Kalliope
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 14062
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:40 am
Realm: Dethecus
Location: Thedas
Contact:

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Kalliope » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:41 pm

Sukurachi wrote:it says quite clearly in the spec description that BM gets Cobra shot at 81.
And in the specs for MM, it includes Steady Shot as a base ability (no specified level).
Yes, but that doesn't explain why BM gets Cobra Shot at 81 rather than getting it as a base ability, which is my question. :)

Image
Kalliope's Pantheon of Pets
YouTube Edition
Thanks to Serenith for the avatar and signature!


User avatar
Meggers
Illustrious Master Hunter
Illustrious Master Hunter
Posts: 3822
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:21 pm
Realm: Sargeras US
Gender: Female
Location: Edmonton, AB

Re: Beastmastery Hunter - Cobra Shot / Steady Shot

Unread post by Meggers » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:06 pm

Yeah well my hunter was getting agi mail gear from her dungeon bags 30-39...blizzard has some derps going on.
Avatar by LupisDarkmoon
ImageImage

Locked