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Unread post by Acherontia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:01 am

Just wondering if anyone else got Skyrim. Had a couple issues with it and also want to know if anyone knows what to do about it (PC version). So this is basically a review for any interested parties, + question right up top.

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The Question

I have been faceplanting myself into Skyrim heavily since I got it, and I have a "review" of sorts to give. Then, it crashed and took all my save files with it. I had sunk about 25 hours into it already (level 15 char, having done a huge amount of sidequests etc.). What's sleep? Anyway, for everyone's info, if you play Skyrim, it places HUGE (3-5+ mb/per) save files in your My Documents folder. This is pretty standard, but the kicker is, if you run out of disk space, it doesn't warn you, and it doesn't tell you that your save failed, it just lets you carry on oblivious. And apparently corrupts all of your old saves as well. Seeing that it's a Bethesda game, and thus notorious for crashing and losing saves, I really should have been backing it up elsewhere. Oh well, lesson effing learned. In any case, I am mentioning this mainly because I want to know if anyone else had issues, and how to fix them. I'd heard that running out of space could cause problems, but also heard of saves randomly deleting, and of save files at level 15 specifically corrupting. Anyone know wth?

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So, my review of Skyrim thus far. I've always loved TES games, and played Morrowind through more than once--it's one of my all-time favorites. So bear in mind, I went into Skyrim with good expectations. All in all I think it's worth a play, and good in places, but BACK UP YOUR SAVES on a different drive and be prepared for some gray areas, both graphically and plot-wise. Your mileage may vary.

The Game Itself

The Controls

Even with mouse sensitivity at full, turning is slow. On char creation it's exceptionally laggy. To pick up certain items off the floor you need to center the mouse cursor over the item, which in some cases might be 2 pixels wide (case in point, circlets for your head--you can't pick them up by the "middle," only the outer rim), which is difficult with the jerky cursor, to say the least--and placing objects is still as difficult as in Oblivion. That said, there's a "stock bookshelf" option, which is nice. The keybindings are nonintuitive, although fairly easy to learn. I've read that they cannot be changed, not sure if that's true. The menu tends to be pretty complicated--for example, to drop an item on the ground, you have to open the menu, select the category of item you want, find the item and select it, and then press the "drop" key. There is a nice "favorites" menu where you can favorite items, and then just hit the Favorites hotkey to select your preferred weapons or spells--easy to swap between your bow, magic & melee weapon. All in all it's acceptable (I've certainly seen worse, ex. the newest FF mmo) but not great. In combat, the mouse movement is okay if set to max, but on menus it's a real pain.

Char Creation

I'm disappointed with this aspect of the game. You can change your character's race and gender, then customize their face. You can't change their body (bar a mediocre "weight" slider that has little bearing on their actual size), nor can you pick anything to do with their history or powers. Unlike the other TES games, where you pick their star sign, "profession" and so forth, in this game you're just a clean slate. While that's good in many ways (you can choose what to skill up in as you go) it also means you have little to no expression of self or connection to your character, imo. You're starting off with a boring char whose only real customization is the face.

The World

And here's the main draw of the game: the great interactive RPG world. If you like the Vrykul areas of WoW, you'll love this. Unfortunately, that's all it appears to be: gray and snowy, very undersaturated and cold. While that's probably the intent, it also is very dreary and monotonous. It is beautiful in places, to be sure; the graphics are good and don't appear to lag at all, and the day/night cycle combined with weather really makes an impact. But it's like having a single cake every day rather than a combination of foods--nice at first, and boring as hell after awhile. There are tundras vs cold forests vs mountains, but it's all similar in the end, very copypaste. There may be more to it, but if so, I hadn't gotten there by level 15. Oh, and the side missions? "Go into cave X, which looks exactly like every other cave and mine and crypt in every TES game ever." Since when does a military fort have a long, labyrinthian crypt where they store their prisoners at the VERY END of it? SEEMS A LITTLE IMPRACTICAL. It seems that they designed the dungeons first, and the plot later, and just sort of stuffed it all together and hoped that it worked.

The worst part is navigation. For example, at one point, I needed to get to the top of a mountain. There's no way to fast travel before you find a place, but at the same time, there are no clear roadways on the maps. This means that I circled the mountain, searching for a way up, for about an hour before I remembered the spell they'd implemented specifically for this: a spell you use to point you like 10 yards in the right direction. The fact that they had to put a spell into the game to help you navigate is a sign of how bad the situation is. On top of that, 10 yards isn't far, and every time you want to use it, you hve to dismount (takes a couple seconds), ready your weapons, cast the spell, then mount up again--very clunky, and very poor design imo. Roads on the map would have been simple enough; I'm really not sure why they don't have them.

All in all, though, the graphics themselves are very well-done, and aren't laggy in the slightest... although my horse, I must say, is quite fat >.> (Incidentally, the horse is also awesome; if you dismount to fight, it will often either assist--and he can kick some serious butt--or he'll flee a bit to get out of harm's way if the danger is too much.)

The music is not noticeable at all, unlike Morrowind's plethora of beautiful scores, bar ONE pretty song that's been ported over from Morrowind itself.

The Quest(s)

The plotline of the world--essentially, a war--is nebulous and murky at best. There's hostility from several conflicting factions, and I guess you're supposed to sort of take a side. But nowhere is the plot history or either point of view explicitly explained, nor do they give you a right or wrong option--anywhere. There's just your generic oppressor/keeper of order vs your generic freedom fighters/rebels. I suppose that's so you can choose your own side, but as both sides seem to give only their own version of events, it's a bit crap. Neither side was compelling enough for me to care bar rescuing a couple individual npcs. The history/background isn't sufficiently explained imo, and you aren't prodded to join either side, although your sidequests have to do with it, and you CAN choose to pick sides. But it's unclear, and confusing, and there appears to be no way to try and make peace instead. In addition, instead of right vs wrong, there's often wrong vs wrong, for example choosing between letting an ancient tree die vs infiltrating the sanctuary of the "mother" tree to provoke it by stealing sap (and thus getting people killed). The worst bit for me is that the good ol' Thieves Guild isn't fun and games anymore, stealing from the rich and whatnot, but instead is beating down hobos for cash and framing innocent people to get them out of the way. There's also quite a few places in the storyline where you have chat options that are basically rephrasing the same opinions--you're forced to be rather opinionated in a certain way (there's no middle ground or opposite standpoint you can choose). In other words, you're limited to a single moral choice to further the storyline. All in all, it seems bland and depressing, as opposed to the glory and fun of the other games. It's almost like they went for reality instead of a fantasy game, which really puts me off.

The exception is the main storyline, which is fairly neat. There are dragons, which is nice, and my favorite part of the game thus far was hearing them speak to one another and to me--one was very very reminiscent of Sovereign from Bioware's Mass Effect. This storyline is slow, though, and they seem to forcibly restrict you from progressing too quickly along it, padding the game out with side stuff you have to complete to become strong enough to carry on with the main plot. There's also some things I never thought I'd see in a TES game (or maybe I just forgot 'em since the days of Morrowind)--grind quests. "Bring me 5 of X," "Bring me 10 of Y." It really detracts from the immersion, although happily I've only seen a couple of those.

Difficulty-wise, someone here screwed up. There are many fights that are not even a challenge, and then suddenly a monster will come out of the same place that is nearly impossible to beat. It's actually recommended by the Wiki page that you cheat your way through some places due to the strange difficulty level. It's not a difficulty based on tactics, which I wouldn't mind at all--it's just that the monsters take ages to down. After fighting four or five things at once and slaughtering them all, I encountered a monster with an enormous health bar--even with cheat toggled on, streaming magic nonstop in a flamethrower gout at its face, it took nearly two full minutes to kill. If you want to do it without cheating, you'll need to strafe around the room for five minutes, guzzling potions the entire time like a Nord in a meadhall. That's not fun, or even challenging, it's just another tick on the "boring" page.

One thing I did forget to mention is the voice-acting--briefly put, it's good. It isn't ever bad (bar one extra who is trying to sound like AHNOLD), doesn't detract from the story, and quite a few of the characters sound real & heartfelt. The XO from Battlestar Galactica's in there right at the start, and easily-identifiable; I'm fairly certain that the voice actress who does WoW's new Aggra is in there too (although I could be wrong).

Skills & Abilities

This is part of the game that I find truly awesome. As in the other TES games, your abilities & skills improve by level the more you use them, and this in turn levels your char itself. Each time you level, you get perk points (a la Fallout 3) that you can spend to improve skills in certain ways, although each perk has a prerequisite skill level required from the pertinent ability (ex. you can't buy Lockpicking Skill X unless Lockpicking is at 30, etc.).

However, where it really shines isn't even the combat skills, but rather the other stuff. You can grab a pickaxe and mine ore that you find, smithing weapons and armor; you can gather hides and skins from wildlife that you hunt, and turn it into leather, which you can use to craft armor. You can disenchant enchanted items and learn to create those enchantments, and you can cook meals (with various effects) and alchemy potions with TONS of food & ingredients that you can find all over Skyrim. You could live in the wild if you so chose, hunting the wildlife, creating your own armor, food and potions from berries, meat and plants. It's a lot easier to get into and more intuitively done than the other TES games, and a very cool aspect of it.

Regarding the combat skills themselves--it's cool to be able to wield fireballs in one hand and a dagger in the other, to use stealth and to be able to one-shot a hard enemy from stealth with a longbow. However, it doesn't really feel like there's a lot of practical difference between the styles. It may just be me, but stealth doesn't feel like as much of an option as it used to, and heavy armor doesn't seem to make much difference. Enemies don't seem to care if you're using magic or a warhammer; they either die, or they don't, and not much advantage seems to be had with either. That's not to say there aren't differences--you have a magicka (mana) bar that will run out, and melee weapons are restricted to melee range. Somehow, though, even fireballs manage to feel boring.

Stability

Always a big factor in Bethesda games. I encountered very few in-game glitches. Very often when out riding, the game would freeze for about 5-10 seconds, which I am guessing means that the game is loading an enemy or encounter of some kind. This happens often enough to be very frustrating. The game only truly crashed four or five times, which is some kind of record for a TES game. However, then the game did one of those lovely instant-close crashes, and the majority of my save files vanished; the remainder were corrupted and can't be loaded. That kinda ruined the track record, needless to say.

Anyway, there's my take on Skyrim--beautiful, but monotonous. I'd be interested to see what others think after some gameplay, and if anyone knows how to fix corrupted saves, let me know.
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Unread post by Sukurachi » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:29 am

Thank-you for the in-depth review!!

I was on the fence about getting this game. You helped me make my decision.

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Unread post by GormanGhaste » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:54 am

I am cautiously interested in Skyrim, but as I'd be wanting the PC version, I think I'll wait until they've released a better version.
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Unread post by Acherontia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:31 pm

Definitely a good idea; I imagine they'll improve upon the stability shortly.

P.S. Forgot to mention the voice-acting--it's good, and realistic, and isn't ever painfully obvious or immersion-breaking like in some other games.

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Unread post by Anyia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:31 pm

Thanks heaps for this Acherontia, I had been wondering whether to pick it up or not!

I must say I had hoped Bethesda had gotten their act together on the stability front by now... so far it seems that the beta version of TES:Arena was the most stable of them all (though I haven't played Oblivion yet)!
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Unread post by Vephriel » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:45 pm

I definitely want to try out this game, but as funds are a little short at the moment I'll wait a bit. Hopefully the time will iron out some of the glitches with the PC version, as that's the one I'd be getting. :) I love Nordic themes though, and I'm glad to know there's a third-person camera option as I've never liked first-person.

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Unread post by Miraga » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:31 am

oh wow, I'm really sorry you lost all that game time! I don't keep up much with games and their designers so hearing that this is a more common problem shocked me a little. Have you tried Skyrim for the 360? My boyfriend and I have been playing that instead of the PC and we really like it! The controls don't feel clunky to me but I spent a RIDICULOUS amount of time playing Oblivion and the controls feel similar. I actually bought a copy of Morrowind years ago with a bunch of extra stuff (game of the year edition or something like that) but I keep giving up on it because it feels impossible. :( Anyway, I'm really sorry you lost all that time!! And I think the horse is fat too... it feels like a draft horse instead of a real riding horse. I don't use one because my last one died and I can't afford to keep replacing it! :X PS: I can't wait until ME3 in March! eeee!

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Unread post by Rhyela » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:39 pm

Maybe I'm just too easy to please, but I love this game. I have a hard time putting it down. My husband loves it, too. I'm level 11, he's about level 15 by now probably. :)

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Unread post by Tsuki » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:17 am

This game... is amazing. Just like Oblivion. And just like Morrowind. However, there is one thing that I can't stand...
3rd person view is so annoying! I wish I could get my character to not be off to the side when I have my weapons/hands down. But it's just a small irk, since I mostly play 1st person anyway. :U

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Unread post by Felidire » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:01 am

I played Morrowind ages back, and while it was fun it was extremely glitchy. Sure enough, this game appears to be very much similar (fun but glitchy.)

* The in-game volume is unreasonably quiet,
* The character creation menu was particualrly bad, it'd seizes up whenever I attempt to rotate my character's head.
* I've fallen through 2 or so staircases (thankfully I button-mashed my way out so I didn't get stuck.)
* I can't unassign certain spells, even if I equip a weapon and remove it, it just automatically re-assigns the shock spell to my right mouse button. VERY frustrating as i'd like to assign frostbite to either hands, and khajit have respectable unarmed damage, because of this bug I can't do either.

I've only been playing for about 2 hours, level 4. As I expected, it's fun but frustrating - in a glitchy sense.

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Edit: I just put on some amulet artifact, shot frostbite at some glowing wall and my game crashed. Luckily I quick-save every 3-4 minutes. >_>;

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Re: Skyrim

Unread post by Arwyn » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:42 am

Sorry about your data getting lost like that. There's a Hardware Issue thread on the main Bethesda site so someone may have already posted the same problem as you and gotten an answer that'll help.

Me, I got it for the PC and haven't ran into any major things, just minor hiccups like the NPCs feet sinking into the floor or their holstered weapons sinking into their bodies. Gameplay for me is enjoyable since 1)not forced to follow the main plot, 2)there's something epic in seeing your character do a finishing move on an enemy, 3)
the music is actually enjoyable-rarely do I play music in any game I play because its distracting or repetive-and 4) being a werewolf rocks even if its only in third person mode.

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Unread post by Acherontia » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:32 pm

Tsuki wrote:This game... is amazing. Just like Oblivion. And just like Morrowind. However, there is one thing that I can't stand...
3rd person view is so annoying! I wish I could get my character to not be off to the side when I have my weapons/hands down. But it's just a small irk, since I mostly play 1st person anyway. :U
I am not sure if you're playing it on PC, but if so, you can change that--mouse scroll will put 3rd person far out, whereas pressing F will bring it into 1st person!

Felidere--it did that for me too, sort of. Every time I tried to move the character, the options would lock, meaning I had to go to the top menu and move category (Head to Body and so forth), which would fix it. Aggravating, especially considering how oddly laggy the char creation screen was!

Arwyn--I cannot stand the werewolf. I mean, I like it okay, but the one I have, you are only a werewolf for a few minutes (unless you eat people)--unlike Morrowind's all-nighter (unless you put on your ring) deal. Sad :( Is there a similar ring around in Skyrim, do you know?

I will add something to the original review--the music. There is none :S There is ONE song I noticed, and it's a port from Morrowind--a great song, but a bit limited. The rest is too quiet and tuneless, didn't even notice it. Does anyone know where I can download all the old Morrowind music to stick into Skyrim? :lol:

I have finished the main plotline and am messing around with side stuff off & on, over level 20. I do like the game okay. I still think it's a bit disappointing in a lot of ways, but talking to dragons & messing with alchemy/enchanting/cooking & blacksmithing is fun to me!

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Unread post by Arwyn » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:32 pm

There is the Ring of Hircine that can be gotten through the quest "Ill Met By Moonlight" that, if your already a werewolf, allows an additional transformation. And from what I've read you don't have to kill and eat people to maintain the form.

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Unread post by Felidire » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:36 pm

By the by, are those giants supposed to punt you 6000 feet into the air? That's not a problem, in fact I find it hilarious, but I was wondering whether or not it was intentional... (I told my merc to stay put while I went off to kill one, and then when I entered combat he came running over - then I looked up and saw him soaring into the clouds, I couldn't even loot his body.) XD

Another thing that cracked me up - a dragon randomly appeared and then it landed and started fighting against a giant, the giant smashed its head in and the kill counted as mine.. So then I spent 10 minutes dropping loot to unencumber my character, and the second I exit the intenvory screen the giant clubs my ass across the screen.
Acherontia wrote:Every time I tried to move the character, the options would lock, meaning I had to go to the top menu and move category (Head to Body and so forth), which would fix it.
Yup, same problem, it's probably not that big a deal for most people, but when you're extremely picky about your character's looks then you may be stuck there a good half hour or so.

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Unread post by Poesje » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:04 pm

Most issues on the PC can be resolved by using the Razor 1911 crack. My (legitimate!) game crashed all the time until I installed that, and now its very smooth.

And the giants launching you into orbit may be unintended, but its still pretty fun.
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Unread post by Arwyn » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:41 am

Known Skyrim Easter Eggs.

M'aiq the Liar subtely pointing out things in the game.

And made another toon to try out vampirism. So I'm jugglig two characters and maybe making a third since the first two are a warrior and the second a spellsword and I'd really like to try out a pure assassin type character.
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Unread post by Golden » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:45 am

I too have been playing this beauty. Level 12 at the moment, and slowly getting stuck... Guess I'll have to try some cheats so I can actually carry on without a dozen reloads on every other fight.

There's a bug with the Dragonborn questline - the guy you're supposed to find in Riften (forgot his name >.<) doesn't have a voice, so his lines will simply flash past, apparently causing the environment to think I didn't talk to him yet. Result? His cell door won't open. Sure I've heard that there's another way in there, but even then he will continue to bug out throughout the questline, so I'm not going to even bother. Which is a real shame, because I've understood that's the questline that does the dragon killing...

The interface is really weird. Most of the time you have to use the wasd, tab and e keys to go through the menus, sometimes they won't work and you have to click the tiny piece of text... And I'm not going to even mention finding your way to the right individual "talents". As for the controls, I really hate how you can change them in-game, but in menus they revert back. Is it really too much to ask to be able to strafe with Q and E instead of A and D? I'm also boggled by the fact that the number keys have no function whatsoever, instead all controls are on seemingly random letters, some of which are extremely hard to reach. (I'm looking at you, Z!) And while the Favourite option is nice, the fact that it only has FOUR slots makes it pretty lackluster.

I absolutely love the fact that there's a couple of random dragons flying around. Now if only I could actually kill them without an army to back me up - but alas, it's just me and my single companion most of the time, so I get chomped sooner or later.

Am I the only one who's absolutely hating friendly fire? I hated it in Oblivion, and I hate it even more now.

However even with all this complaining, I'm really, REALLY loving the game. Hopefully the biggest bugs will get fixed soon.
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Unread post by Poesje » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:51 am

You can have more than four favourites, just scroll in the little window.
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Unread post by Golden » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:02 pm

Poesje wrote:You can have more than four favourites, just scroll in the little window.
That's odd, because if I attempt to put in more, it'll just unfavourite something else. O_o
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Unread post by Poesje » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:11 pm

Thats odd. I have twelve spells in there, and a shield.
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