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Marksman whine

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:07 pm
by Kayb
MM has no true focus dump with Arcane shot gone. It feels broken without it. The only other instant shots we have are all on cooldown. I don't know about the other two specs, I've never played them, I've always been MM since the launch of vanilla, but MM feels waaaaaay too stripped back. No scatter shot, no serpent sting, no arcane shot... seriously? I'd rather them back thank you very much.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:10 pm
by TĂ„rnfalk
wow you dont got arcane as mm? what do you get instead? i have arcane as bm but im missing my serpent sting...

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:13 pm
by cowmuflage
You really don't get anything. Aimed shot and steady shot and multi shot are what you have. Out of all the times they have changed MM over the years this is the first time it's felt borked.

For the shooty based spec it does not feel very shooty.

Also the fact you can't have Stampede and Murder of crows at the same time sucks too.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:57 pm
by Chimera
Chimera shot no longer heals and hits 2 targets (which pisses me off so much cause WE HAVE MULTI SHOT IF WE WANNA AOE THANK YOU, BLIZZ. Seriously, I loathe attacks that hit 1-2 extra targets on top of the one I'm focusing on if its not supposed to be your main go-to AoE attack.) which is on its usual cooldown and we have Aimed Shot as our main attack but its (this is on my lvl 73 Hunter which is the char I'm on atm but she's BM specc so the actual cast time may vary.) 2.28 seconds and it still costs 50 Focus.

We're pretty much doing Chimera Shot --> Aimed Shot --> 1-2 Steady Shots --> Chimera Shot --> Either Steady Shot or Aimed Shot, depends on how much Focus we have. Even though Aimed Shot can now be cast while moving (and in turn lost our instant cast proc), we only get our new passive ability "Sniper Training" which we start benefiting from if we've stayed still for 3+ seconds (we keep it for like 5-6 seconds after we move but we lose a big boon in high movement fights if we can't stand still for a comfortable amount of time now)

My bar's are so bare after they stripped MM of majority of our abilities and also the few generic hunter abilities like Stampede (and the thousands of gold I've spent on constantly reforging have been wiped from my armor on all of my characters.) that I'm a mix of preferring BM, testing out Survival for the first time in many, many years, or complete lack of interest in my Hunters period :F

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:20 pm
by cowmuflage
Yeah I mean I don't think I want to play on Cow any more and that's really sad :/

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:02 pm
by Kayb
cowmuflage wrote:You really don't get anything. Aimed shot and steady shot and multi shot are what you have. Out of all the times they have changed MM over the years this is the first time it's felt borked. For the shooty based spec it does not feel very shooty.

This, this, this. :(

MM is stuffed, and I see no real reason why they had to take out Arcane shot, wtf??? How does crap like this get through after beta and ptr???

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:33 pm
by Agruvona
Well, the experts on the (newly reanimated) Hunting Party hunter podcast say that Aimed is your new focus dump and anyway Marks dps is crushing BM & Surv on beta, so how bad can that be?

:D ;) :D ;) :D

http://www.huntingpartypodcast.com/

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:21 pm
by Rawr
The fact that everyone else is crushing Hunter dps in general is the problem, we are at the bottom of the pack. :| :mrgreen:

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:32 pm
by Lisaara
Yeah and this isnt just an MM problem. It's a hunter problem. Blizz did address it though. They are working on it.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:31 am
by Kayb
my main focus dump shouldn't be a 2second cast though imo. we should have an instant shot that isn't on cooldown

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:01 am
by Azunara
I'm miffed Chimera shot doesn't heal anymore if that's the case. (Didn't really pay attention when I logged on my MM hunter the other day.) It was a small but useful heal imo.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:14 am
by cowmuflage
As far as I know it does not heal anymore.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:29 am
by SylviaDragon
Pretty much all hunters are messed up at the moment. I am pretty miffed about having to choose between Murder of crows, Stampede and blink strike as BM. stampede has been nerfed so many times now and blink strike is so lacking for things like burst and boss fights that I am leaning towards MOC as BM which just feels wrong. also they nerfed my spirit beasts! they now all share the same cd on spirit mend! is it really such a big horrible thing for me to have the option to use two spirit mends for solo/2manning?*pulls out hair*

MM is top dps right now for hunters, which is kind of wired considering how much they stripped away from it. and poor surv has been stripped down and thrown in a blender from what I hear. the two surv hunters that I was always fighting neck and neck with for the top dps spot on a roster are now pulling between 3-5k dps :?

I know they are looing in to it so i hope it will be fixed soon. a lot of my hunter buddies are giving up and switching to alts.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:28 am
by PrimalTazza
Chimaera shot can be glyphed to heal 2% health, I believe. They're trying their best to differentiate all the specs, and with marksmanship being a "sniper" type specialization, having to carefully aim a shot makes sense. But that's just me.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:38 am
by Castile
I thought mm was the top spec come WoD? I was worried as BM i'd have to switch but as of 6.0 I'm still doing fairly good dps wise.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:10 am
by cowmuflage
I still wish for Arcane shot to come back XD Just mainly for an instant shot. I think we are lacking in those. Every spec should have it imo

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:57 pm
by Kayb
Agreed, one instant shot that isn't on a cool down would be heaven.

Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:01 pm
by SpiritBinder
MMmmm Marksman wine, I think I prefer the red myself :)

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Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:19 pm
by Lisaara
Haaaah. XD

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Re: Marksman whine

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:11 am
by Wain
Looks delish! Is that a pinot?
SpiritBinder wrote:MMmmm Marksman wine, I think I prefer the red myself :)
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