Shadowlands Alpha/Beta Beast Thread

[GormanGhaste]

Oh nice. So I'll probably go ahead and tame a currently available undead pet before the pre-patch.

[Kaydia]

I thought someone mentioned Pandaren could tame them by default. Maybe I remember wrong.

Let me import my Pandaren Hunter and check.

[Kaydia]

I thought someone mentioned Pandaren could tame them by default. Maybe I remember wrong.

Let me import my Pandaren Hunter and check.

Yes. Pandaren can tame Cloud Serpents by default. Going to keep leveling the Pandaren Hunter I made a bit ago and check on the one there.




And with her Rep pane:



EDIT: Also, the Crimsonscale Firestorms on Timeless Isle are tameable.

[WerebearGuy]

Sweet, glad I didn't misread! Here's hoping the leveling endeavor isn't a failure like when I checked Guardian for the name.

[Kaydia]

Sweet, glad I didn't misread! Here's hoping the leveling endeavor isn't a failure like when I checked Guardian for the name.

Fingers crossed!

If ever there was a named pet that didn't keep it's name when tamed but should, it's the Guardian. If you are willing to grind out to level 20, as it will be in 9.0, on ore and flowers on the Wandering Isle to tame it, then it should keep its name.

EDIT: If there's anything anyone wants me to check on in the Beta while I'm in Azeroth zones, please let me know. You can send me a DM here, or on the WoW launcher. My BattleTag is Kaydia#1248.

[WerebearGuy]

Speaking of, do check the guardian when you get there! Since exotics are easier to get in Shadowlands, it's worth checking the Guardian once more.

[Shade]

So Panderan can tame the cloud serpants by default.

Can Undead tame the undead creatures by default?

[WerebearGuy]

Yep, Forsaken can tame undead by default! Confirmed yesterday, at least by Wain on Twiter.

[Aaralyn]

Yep, Forsaken can tame undead by default! Confirmed yesterday, at least by Wain on Twiter.

And no Forsaken, how they unlock this?

[WerebearGuy]

It's currently unknown where it comes from, but there's an item called "Simple Tome of Bone-Binding" that lets any Hunter tame them.

[Wain]

So Panderan can tame the cloud serpants by default.

Can Undead tame the undead creatures by default?

Yup

[Quiv]

Since Undead isn't a family, but still requires a special skill to tame, does the Undead tag show up in Beast Lore? (searched thread and didn't see this anywhere)

[worgpower]

I guess wow is now adding skill specific pet models like gargons, undead beasts, and cloud serpents

[Skelelmyrn]

The only creature models left that aren't tameable but could realistically be made tameable are sea lions\walruses, beavers, otters, and racoons.

[Clayford13]

I find the tameable heavenly cloud serpents, such as Tsulong, very interesting. He is undeniably sentient and intelligent. I know its day one of this pass so I am cautious to read too much into it, but it seems to signal to a leniency toward taming intelligent beasts being more on the table. If so, maybe this change could indicate offshoot NPCS that have previously untameable "intelligent" models being open to discussion in a way that makes sense. The Pandaria gods are a great example. We should never be able to tame them directly, but "offshoot NPC" that share models/colors (whether existing NPC or new ones added) could be plausible now.

I've personally always been in favor of some intelligent beings being tameable since I see taming as more of a consensual partnership and not forced enslavement. However if this is where the idea ends, its very exciting either way!

Also OMG UNDEAD BEASTS YAY

Thanks for all those doing the legwork on the beta to bring us this information! Poor Wain is gonna be a busy dude!

That's how I feel about Cloud Serpents. I've wanted and have been requesting a Sprite Darter for years and get told no they're sentient, yet we can tame a world boss that talks to you when you pull it? Lol. Has anyone checked Sprite Darters by chance? I keep hoping I get a beta invite, but you know... I don't ;D

[Qraljar]

I find the tameable heavenly cloud serpents, such as Tsulong, very interesting. He is undeniably sentient and intelligent. I know its day one of this pass so I am cautious to read too much into it, but it seems to signal to a leniency toward taming intelligent beasts being more on the table. If so, maybe this change could indicate offshoot NPCS that have previously untameable "intelligent" models being open to discussion in a way that makes sense. The Pandaria gods are a great example. We should never be able to tame them directly, but "offshoot NPC" that share models/colors (whether existing NPC or new ones added) could be plausible now.

I've personally always been in favor of some intelligent beings being tameable since I see taming as more of a consensual partnership and not forced enslavement. However if this is where the idea ends, its very exciting either way!

Also OMG UNDEAD BEASTS YAY

Thanks for all those doing the legwork on the beta to bring us this information! Poor Wain is gonna be a busy dude!

That's how I feel about Cloud Serpents. I've wanted and have been requesting a Sprite Darter for years and get told no they're sentient, yet we can tame a world boss that talks to you when you pull it? Lol

It's a bit of a weird one, I'm gonna say. I feel like we're expected to just act as if they're not intelligent counterparts, if you get what I mean?

Cloud Serpents are not by default as intelligent as Tsulong, Nalak, etc. are. Your regular Cloud Serpent is basically a beast and both Pandaren and Mogu have tamed them for that reason. So when you run around with a Cloud Serpent, you're basically walking around with a beast. And I think for the sake of offering at least a few looks, we're currently expect to turn a blind eye to the idea that we're taming gods, like Nalak. And to compare it to another example, I bet we're expect to ignore the fact that we're taming Rukhmar (well, no one should be, but you know) and just pretend it's another Dread Raven with the name and look. Same situation here. Remove all the shaky/borderline Cloud Serpent cases and you're left with very few looks until Blizzard seeds more of them throughout the world.

Every Faerie Dragon however, to my knowledge, is said to be intelligent. It's an inherent quality of the species.

[Clayford13]

I find the tameable heavenly cloud serpents, such as Tsulong, very interesting. He is undeniably sentient and intelligent. I know its day one of this pass so I am cautious to read too much into it, but it seems to signal to a leniency toward taming intelligent beasts being more on the table. If so, maybe this change could indicate offshoot NPCS that have previously untameable "intelligent" models being open to discussion in a way that makes sense. The Pandaria gods are a great example. We should never be able to tame them directly, but "offshoot NPC" that share models/colors (whether existing NPC or new ones added) could be plausible now.

I've personally always been in favor of some intelligent beings being tameable since I see taming as more of a consensual partnership and not forced enslavement. However if this is where the idea ends, its very exciting either way!

Also OMG UNDEAD BEASTS YAY

Thanks for all those doing the legwork on the beta to bring us this information! Poor Wain is gonna be a busy dude!

That's how I feel about Cloud Serpents. I've wanted and have been requesting a Sprite Darter for years and get told no they're sentient, yet we can tame a world boss that talks to you when you pull it? Lol

It's a bit of a weird one, I'm gonna say. I feel like we're expected to just act as if they're not intelligent counterparts, if you get what I mean?

Cloud Serpents are not by default as intelligent as Tsulong, Nalak, etc. are. Your regular Cloud Serpent is basically a beast and both Pandaren and Mogu have tamed them for that reason. So when you run around with a Cloud Serpent, you're basically walking around with a beast. And I think for the sake of offering at least a few looks, we're currently expect to turn a blind eye to the idea that we're taming gods, like Nalak. And to compare it to another example, I bet we're expect to ignore the fact that we're taming Rukhmar (well, no one should be, but you know) and just pretend it's another Dread Raven with the name and look. Same situation here. Remove all the shaky/borderline Cloud Serpent cases and you're left with very few looks until Blizzard seeds more of them throughout the world.

Every Faerie Dragon however, to my knowledge, is said to be intelligent. It's an inherent quality of the species.

Tell that to my battle pet Sprite Darter ;D I just use a pet biscuit on him to make him large and pretend since I play MM anyway. Lol. I just wish he flew at my side and not behind me.

[WerebearGuy]

This is why I motion towards tameable druid forms; they're associated with intelligent beings, but are also animals. We can tame spirits, we can tame abominations, we can tame demons, and we can even tame dragons now, so the whole "it's sentient" argument is null and void. Druid forms as their respective animals (cat form = cat, bear form = bear, etc), as well as Sprite Darters as maybe lizards or scalehides (or humorously, moths?) would all be totally reasonable.

That's a discussion for a different thread though. Keep holding that feeling though! Muffinus is clearly on our side.

[Bulletdance]

The only creature models left that aren't tameable but could realistically be made tameable are sea lions\walruses, beavers, otters, and racoons.

I dunno, I fancy the rats myself. Though they may be too small.

[Valnaaros]

I don’t think that Muffinus is clearly in support of this. Most likely he just flagged any hostile cloud serpent as tamable without actually looking into whether or not they are sentient.