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Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kurasu » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:08 pm

Now that Shadowlands opening is hitting the PTR, how about making a list of undead creatures that *could/should be* tameable (and maybe bringing attention to them and reminding folks they're here can get the trigger switched). I've been running around doing some looking and testing, and so far found a couple that aren't tameable (but should be). I know there's others out there that haven't been tested or got lost in the shuffle.

Stand-out ones that I've tested so far:
- Skeletal Gryphons in Dragonblight. They're a separate model from their rider, and could *easily* be flagged as tameable (as there's some that fly in accessible places).
- Skeletal Horses in Karazhan. There's a whole 'Courser' family now. How about these beauties (cough) get flagged into it? We have some undead horses from Shadowfang Keep; it makes sense these should work too.
- Midnight (original Karazhan). Wouldn't be the first raid boss we've been able to tame!
- Midnight (new Karazhan). OK, I admit I haven't tested this one at all, so I may be jumping the gun and she's *already* tameable, but come on! Wouldn't it be awesome?

Let's try to keep it to those undead that share body types (or approximate ones) with living creatures, though; I know it would be fun to have your own pet Frostwyrm, but I'm talking about ones that could feasibly be brought in. And if you're wamnting to talk about the ones that *are* tameable, there's a different/better thread for that!

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EDIT: Just changed the title to help make it clearer what I meant, rather than seeming to be 'yet another undead you have tamed' thread! :D
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kaydia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:56 pm

I've written several bug reports over the past week about untameable undead beasts I've come across while testing the tameables that I've lost count. The Firelands hellhounds, including Riplimb and Rageface, and Gluth being the standouts. When Beta comes back up, I'll have to check those.

Other than raid mobs/bosses, I came across these last night in Talador and they also got a bug report. Let me tell you, my Pandaren Hunter, with her stable full of ghost pets, would dearly love to have a pair of ghost rune dogs.

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/npc=774 ... osh-hunter
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kurasu » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:04 am

Another name to add to the list from me!
Remember these ghostly bears?
Neither did Blizzard, alas; they are yet untameable (although I think they'd fit in beautifully):
https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=59783/deepwoods-spirit

I would also *tentatively* include some of the Nerubian Juggernaut models as undead carapid possibilities, but as they're meant to be more intelligent creatures, while I would like to have undead for each pet family, I could take or leave these; they would look *awesome*, but it might be a little *too* far to think they're tameable undead beasts as opposed to intelligent opponents.
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Valnaaros » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:27 am

Kurasu wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:04 am
Another name to add to the list from me!
Remember these ghostly bears?
Neither did Blizzard, alas; they are yet untameable (although I think they'd fit in beautifully):
https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=59783/deepwoods-spirit

I would also *tentatively* include some of the Nerubian Juggernaut models as undead carapid possibilities, but as they're meant to be more intelligent creatures, while I would like to have undead for each pet family, I could take or leave these; they would look *awesome*, but it might be a little *too* far to think they're tameable undead beasts as opposed to intelligent opponents.
The Crypt Lords are definately intelligent beings. They aren't like Kunchongs or Goliaths where they are just animals. The Crypt Lords are leaders of Nerubian society.

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Darknez » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:40 pm

Has anyone checked the "Phantom" hippogryph and nightsaber in eastern Nazjatar? If not, please can you ;) x

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Wain » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:43 pm

Thanks for this great thread :)
Kurasu wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:08 pm
- Skeletal Gryphons in Dragonblight. They're a separate model from their rider, and could *easily* be flagged as tameable (as there's some that fly in accessible places).
- Skeletal Horses in Karazhan. There's a whole 'Courser' family now. How about these beauties (cough) get flagged into it? We have some undead horses from Shadowfang Keep; it makes sense these should work too.
- Midnight (original Karazhan). Wouldn't be the first raid boss we've been able to tame!
- Midnight (new Karazhan). OK, I admit I haven't tested this one at all, so I may be jumping the gun and she's *already* tameable, but come on! Wouldn't it be awesome?
They should all be on the list already. I hope! See: https://www.wow-petopia.com/shadowlands ... etalhorses and onwards.

I also added those ghostly bears. I'd forgotten all about those! See: https://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id ... ransparent

I'll look at adding other stuff on your list :)
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by WerebearGuy » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:06 pm

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=46645/cursed-stallion

Ghost horse from the often (and rightfully so) forgotten zone of Tol Barad Peninsula. The skin is listed as not used ingame, but that's excusable since that zone is so pointless and obscure.

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Wain » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:50 pm

WerebearGuy wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:06 pm
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=46645/cursed-stallion

Ghost horse from the often (and rightfully so) forgotten zone of Tol Barad Peninsula. The skin is listed as not used ingame, but that's excusable since that zone is so pointless and obscure.
Odd, I somehow missed that one. I did search for that model. Thanks!
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kaydia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:04 pm

The ghost hippogryhs from Black Rook Hold (not the dungeon). They're targetable separate from their rider, but currently don't belong to a pet family.

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/npc=918 ... -windgryph

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Darknez » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:43 pm

FYI, the Hippographs and nightsabers are now listed as Undead (show as Cat in live) but you cannot use beast lore on them nor tame them at this time.

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kurasu » Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:19 pm

You could never use Beast Lore on undead creatures, as far as I'm aware. The better test would be to try taming them. At least it was the only way I could do it with my Undead on the things I was taming.
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Darknez » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:15 pm

I did try taming the nightsaber, no dice.

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kaydia » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:49 pm

The ghost hippogryphs in Black Rook have no pet family associated with them, it comes up "nil", so you can't beast lore them. They're just undead. They're targetable separate from their riders, but are not tameable, I'm going to guess due to the fact that they aren't part of the Feathermane family.

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Kurasu » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:25 am

I just tested to confirm to myself:
Corp'rethar Guardians are definitely tameable.
However, you cannot Beast Lore them at all.
So for testing, don't just try Beast Lore; you need to actively try to tame them to see if the switch has been flipped!
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Wain » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:52 am

I've added all those suggestions to our database and to the taming suggestions list: https://www.wow-petopia.com/tamecheck.php

As many are currently untameable models they'll appear a bit further down.

Thanks for all the suggestions :)
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Qraljar » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:47 pm

How about the Nerubian Skitterlings and Flyers? Or did I overlook those?
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Wain » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:33 pm

Qraljar wrote:
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How about the Nerubian Skitterlings and Flyers? Or did I overlook those?
No, but they seem to be intelligent. At least, some in Northrend were.
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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Darknez » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:29 pm

Gryphons and Chimera were once considered intelligent...

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

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Re: Undead That Could Be Beasts But Aren't (Yet?)

Unread post by Valnaaros » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:01 pm

Darknez wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:29 pm
Gryphons and Chimera were once considered intelligent...
Not sentient intelligent.

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