Hunter pet, Phoenix?

[Mad Hatter]

Which is the only tameable mount so doesn't really help the argument. XD also those 'mounts' act as pets for those orcs. That's the only reason they're tameable because they're actually pets.

However, we have saddleless mounts, too - look at the kitties, for instance. A saddleless pheonix would be the same.

if you can link something considered a mount in the wild that is tameable, I'll be more inclined to believe that. If its saddle-less, it's not a mount. it just has the same appearance.

And truth be told, I don't think a phoenix could be or should be truly tamed. it's a majestic beast, legendary even. if we can't even get a dragon to be tamed, a phoenix is beyond our reach for sure.

Ok there sugar let me poke a few holes in this
A- That silly black wolf pet from Hellfire Ramparts comes to mind
B- Blizzards reasons for non tamable dragons is the fact that dragons are a sentient race... its like trying to tame a gnome
C- Phoenix to my understanding arent sentient, just a magic bird... like tameing any spirit beast out there
D- all the expansions have a theme that are pets tend to follow such as B.C being between divine and demonic powers we obtained far more magically infused pets then Vanilla ( Nether Ray, Warpstalker, etc) And WOTLK seems to follow the theme of life and death... so then we get spirit beasts... animals who have either brushed death or embraced it to become something more, dont know about you but i see Cata and an elemental theme, meaning more elemental pets are fair game
Xoxo Gossip Girl

[Lisaara]

Except Phoenixes are considered god-like, and are sentient in some lore. :/ Soooo that makes them just like dragons in a sense. that's probably why it isnt tameable. it's sentient. Thank you for bringing that point up.

Here's some links involving the phoenix.

Phoenix in general
Egyptian Phoenix
Chinese Phoenix

There's a lot but from how they're described, it seems to hint they were sentient or pretty close to it.

[Anawiel]

I think the phoenix could become a pet and I've got to say I really want one
I don't believe the phoenix that is spawned during the fight with kae,l at the end of Mag's terrace, has a saddle on it.
Not to mention the fact that it's summoned by him kinda makes it a pet, no?

[Ryno]

its like trying to tame a gnome

Actually, taming a gnome isn't that bad, you just need candy... lots and lots of candy... and hey, if you want to double your success rate, just put the candy inside some type of mechanical trap... it's a sure thing.

[PorrasouxRex]

Except Phoenixes are considered god-like, and are sentient in some lore. :/ Soooo that makes them just like dragons in a sense. that's probably why it isnt tameable. it's sentient. Thank you for bringing that point up.

Here's some links involving the phoenix.

Phoenix in general
Egyptian Phoenix
Chinese Phoenix

There's a lot but from how they're described, it seems to hint they were sentient or pretty close to it.

Just because the Phoenix is respected in ancient lore of our time, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be tameable. In Egypt they made gods out of almost every single animal in the nile. Does that mean they shouldn't be tameable in a game? Not at all. To be honest I made this suggestion awhile ago on the forums. My idea was this: Rare spawned NPC that gives you a chained quest to summon a Phoenix, and that Phoenix would be tameable but...a bit late to put in something like that in Cata now.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

Except Phoenixes are considered god-like, and are sentient in some lore. :/ Soooo that makes them just like dragons in a sense. that's probably why it isnt tameable. it's sentient. Thank you for bringing that point up.

Here's some links involving the phoenix.

Phoenix in general
Egyptian Phoenix
Chinese Phoenix

There's a lot but from how they're described, it seems to hint they were sentient or pretty close to it.

Loque'Nahak is a god's mate. And if you took the saddle off the phoenix it wouldn't be a mount.

[zedxrgal]

And truth be told, I don't think a phoenix could be or should be truly tamed. it's a majestic beast, legendary even. if we can't even get a dragon to be tamed, a phoenix is beyond our reach for sure.

This. As cool as it would be ................... not gonna happen.

[Makoes]

if you can link something considered a mount in the wild that is tameable, I'll be more inclined to believe that. If its saddle-less, it's not a mount. it just has the same appearance.

This?

[Gimlion]

Meh, If I could get a phoenix, that'd be sick, but I'd prefer it as a fire mage pet of some sort... I'd be all "You seem to think that I'm willing to, what is the phrase? Come Quietly? Well, I'm sorry to say that I have absolutely no intentions of doing so." Then summon my phoenix in a huge burst of magic-y fire, and blink at the same time.... =D

[Lisaara]

Except Phoenixes are considered god-like, and are sentient in some lore. :/ Soooo that makes them just like dragons in a sense. that's probably why it isnt tameable. it's sentient. Thank you for bringing that point up.

Here's some links involving the phoenix.

Phoenix in general
Egyptian Phoenix
Chinese Phoenix

There's a lot but from how they're described, it seems to hint they were sentient or pretty close to it.

Loque'Nahak is a god's mate. And if you took the saddle off the phoenix it wouldn't be a mount.

But Loque himself isn't a god. He just smexes her to make more snow leopards. nothing more. His description says he's far from home usually. Remove the saddle, it becomes the mini-pet.

Also Makoes, that was already linked. I was meaning besides that one and i explained why that was tameable.

Gim: That I can see more or something similar to a phoenix(like not exactly the phoenix but maybe a spawn of alar or something.). Think about it. Kael'thas is a blood mage. Alar is his pet/companion.

[Gimlion]

Yeah. That's one of my other reasons behind my post. but the main one was just so i could make a HP reference.

[Malazee]

Except Phoenixes are considered god-like, and are sentient in some lore. :/ Soooo that makes them just like dragons in a sense. that's probably why it isnt tameable. it's sentient. Thank you for bringing that point up.

Here's some links involving the phoenix.

Phoenix in general
Egyptian Phoenix
Chinese Phoenix

There's a lot but from how they're described, it seems to hint they were sentient or pretty close to it.

Regardless of what's true (or myth in this case) in the real world, phoenixes are by no means godlike, nor are they sentient in Warcraft lore (which is what should apply here). Elemental phoenixes have been the minions of powerful magi since Warcraft 3.

But for that reason, I think if phoenix pets are ever given to a class in game, it will most definitely be fire mages over hunters -- and if hunters ever got them, the mages would qq till the cows come home.

...But we can still dream.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

Except Phoenixes are considered god-like, and are sentient in some lore. :/ Soooo that makes them just like dragons in a sense. that's probably why it isnt tameable. it's sentient. Thank you for bringing that point up.

Here's some links involving the phoenix.

Phoenix in general
Egyptian Phoenix
Chinese Phoenix

There's a lot but from how they're described, it seems to hint they were sentient or pretty close to it.

Loque'Nahak is a god's mate. And if you took the saddle off the phoenix it wouldn't be a mount.

But Loque himself isn't a god. He just smexes her to make more snow leopards. nothing more. His description says he's far from home usually. Remove the saddle, it becomes the mini-pet.

Wind serpents are quetzalcoatl, also legendary creatures. xD But in WoW they're just winged snake.s Phoenixs, IDK. I'll check WoWwiki.

The Worg minipet, pretty much all the parrot minipets, moths, the spider, the scorpid, the wasp, the nether ray fry, the strand crawler, the mini sporebat, the dragonhawks, the mini tallstrider, owls, bats (I think), etc. are all identical to tameables. Identical - and the minipet even has a different model than the full, in this case! If you include those, you have the crocolisk babies, bear babies, raptor babies, etc. Minipet is not even a good arguement xD

[LeeAndrew]

While we are on the subject of non tamable pets. One I have been dreaming about since vanila WoW is the Sprite Darter Hatchling as a pet. Its in Blades Edge Mountain classified as dragonkin, I really hope they will make it a hunters pet one day, then I will be HAPPY!


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[Lisaara]

While we are on the subject of non tamable pets. One I have been dreaming about since vanila WoW is the Sprite Darter Hatchling as a pet. Its in Blades Edge Mountain classified as dragonkin, I really hope they will make it a hunters pet one day, then I will be HAPPY!


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ooh. I'd love one of those myself. :3 But I think they're sentient like all dragonkin so thats why we can't tame them.

Raydex: Actually, wind serpents alone aren't legendary. they're just wind serpents. They aren't called quetzalcoatls in-game while the Phoenix itself and it's mini-pet counterpart are called the Phoenix. Had the wind serpents been called quetzalcoatls in-game, then that'd be a different matter all together, though I don't think the quetzalcoatls look quite like the wind serpents in game. They're much more flourished and majestic.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

Raydex: Actually, wind serpents alone aren't legendary. they're just wind serpents. They aren't called quetzalcoatls in-game while the Phoenix itself and it's mini-pet counterpart are called the Phoenix. Had the wind serpents been called quetzalcoatls in-game, then that'd be a different matter all together, though I don't think the quetzalcoatls look quite like the wind serpents in game. They're much more flourished and majestic.

Sorry about shortening the quote, I hate having them all huge.

Name doesn't really matter, yaknow. Our pheonixes in-game hardly look like feng-huang (the Chinese phoenix), for instance. One sec.

he phoenix is a natural predator of the Elemental Plane. The wondrous bird is about 18 feet long with a sleek, feathered body that dances with bright flames. Its colorful feathers range from yellow to orange to red. A crest of spiky feathers runs down the center of its back, and its wingspan stretches out 30 feet. From birth to death, it spends its life hunting through the air -- in fact, it lacks any legs that might enable it to land. Even after death it often rises again from its own ashes to continue the hunt.

The phoenix is a fearless, aggressive predator of aerial prey. Its only direct form is a vicious bite, but the secondary damage from its flaming aura and ability to burn help to bring down its prey quickly. A phoenix prefers to attack from above and behind with surprise, but follows up its initial attack by remaining close to burn its victims while continuing to strike with its beak.

There. Good info. A natural predator that attacks with biting and burning. Not too legendary...

I mean, we can tame all sorts of crazy stuff, so...xD

[Lisaara]

Raydex: Actually, wind serpents alone aren't legendary. they're just wind serpents. They aren't called quetzalcoatls in-game while the Phoenix itself and it's mini-pet counterpart are called the Phoenix. Had the wind serpents been called quetzalcoatls in-game, then that'd be a different matter all together, though I don't think the quetzalcoatls look quite like the wind serpents in game. They're much more flourished and majestic.

Sorry about shortening the quote, I hate having them all huge.

Name doesn't really matter, yaknow. Our pheonixes in-game hardly look like feng-huang (the Chinese phoenix), for instance. One sec.

he phoenix is a natural predator of the Elemental Plane. The wondrous bird is about 18 feet long with a sleek, feathered body that dances with bright flames. Its colorful feathers range from yellow to orange to red. A crest of spiky feathers runs down the center of its back, and its wingspan stretches out 30 feet. From birth to death, it spends its life hunting through the air -- in fact, it lacks any legs that might enable it to land. Even after death it often rises again from its own ashes to continue the hunt.

The phoenix is a fearless, aggressive predator of aerial prey. Its only direct form is a vicious bite, but the secondary damage from its flaming aura and ability to burn help to bring down its prey quickly. A phoenix prefers to attack from above and behind with surprise, but follows up its initial attack by remaining close to burn its victims while continuing to strike with its beak.

There. Good info. A natural predator that attacks with biting and burning. Not too legendary...

I mean, we can tame all sorts of crazy stuff, so...xD

Actually I think they look a lot alike. Just take away the legs and add a bit of sparkles on it. There. You got the phoenix. Still legendary no matter which way you put it. Their attacks don't determine squat so that's a bad quote, to be honest. Harkoa is a predator but still is a goddess regardless. I think of Alar in that same regard and Kael'thas had to do something incredible to be worthy of his help.

Sorry but my opinion is strong and unlikely to change in this matter. ^^; Phoenix to me is too regal and legendary for it to be tamed by some hunter. And personally I'd rather not die inside to see hunters give phoenixes crappy named either. Kills me seeing that with spirit beasts as is.

[Solunerra]

If not hunters, then I would want them for fire magi or destruction warlocks. As for phoenix as pets, blood magi had them and where able to use them as combat pets.

[Tahlian]

I don't think we're likely to see sprite darter tamable at any point, dragonkin classification aside...if you're in the beta and have been to Hyjal, you know there's a quest where they help you flush out some stealthed Twilight's Hammer cultists. In that quest - the sprite darters speak to you.

To my knowledge, nothing we're able to tame is capable of speech, is it?

[Lisaara]

If not hunters, then I would want them for fire magi or destruction warlocks. As for phoenix as pets, blood magi had them and where able to use them as combat pets.

I could possibly see that. Like a really difficult quest to do for a fire mage. I just don't see hunters being capable of 'taming' a phoenix.

I don't think we're likely to see sprite darter tamable at any point, dragonkin classification aside...if you're in the beta and have been to Hyjal, you know there's a quest where they help you flush out some stealthed Twilight's Hammer cultists. In that quest - the sprite darters speak to you.

To my knowledge, nothing we're able to tame is capable of speech, is it?

Correct. It's sentient. It's the same reason why we can't tame other dragons/dragonkin. They're sentient beings.