Crappy Groups

[Lisaara]

I was in the regular Lost city of the Tol'Vir because I'm trying to get better trinkets, we blaze through, mostly because I outgear everyone else, finally at the end the trinket I desperately want drops, and... the deathknight needs on it... and he wins. Like some kind of cosmic joke, the deathknight needs on an agility trinket and wins it from the hunter, doesn't say a word, leaves the group. *sigh*

You can report him for that. It's called ninja'ing.

If it's in the Dungeon Finder then it's not Ninja'ing to Blizz (even low level when you can need on everything no matter what >< *tired of losing leather gear on her baby Hunter to paladins*) and they won't do anything about it. Raids with loot rules clearly stated in raid chat beforehand only.

Which sucks since the system doesn't know who needs what trinkets. It's depressing it see that need light up when you need a trinket and then seeing it says "Strength" or "expertise" on it instead of something we can use, or in this case lose a great trinket to someone who shouldn't be able to need it. I can handle losing to a Feral Druid or a Rogue since they need them too, but a Death Knight?

Really? Cause I got a guy banned for needing on cloth when he was a plate wearer......and it was in a random dungeon.

[Falanir]

Same thing happened today to me on my warrior. Plate DPS Bracers drop. DK Tank > Need.
Got to the last boss, silently fuming, Eye of Rajh drops. Shaman needs,

''you guys want to go agen?''

Me: ''You actually serious?''

If I could punch people through computer screens, I'd be in prison by now.

[Kalliope]

Really? Cause I got a guy banned for needing on cloth when he was a plate wearer......and it was in a random dungeon.

Must have been a lowbie dungeon, since that's not possible in the higher level ones. Not comparing apples and apples here then, cause most blocks are in place in higher level dungeons.

[Lisaara]

Really? Cause I got a guy banned for needing on cloth when he was a plate wearer......and it was in a random dungeon.

Must have been a lowbie dungeon, since that's not possible in the higher level ones. Not comparing apples and apples here then, cause most blocks are in place in higher level dungeons.

Yeah. It was a lowbie dungeon. Blizzard does do something about it. They dont like ninjas and neither do we.

[Cozzene]

Blizz has started saying "If you have the ability to need, well you were there for the kill, you may need on it if the dice are lit up!"

[Aquillian]

I can hardly stand RDF at the moment. My main tanks and heals, and of course I have my hunter too. Have to say, though -- my worst experiences have been with tanking. I ask DPS to CC, or say I'm LoSing a pull, whatever it is -- 9 times out of 10 they ignore me and blindly open up on whatever mob they want/AoE/have no idea what CC is. I even have a mod that explains what all my pretty marks mean at the start of the dungeon. Meh. :/ I'll stick to guildies, lol.

At least with Aqui I can offtank stray mobs with my pet and CC at my own leisure if it goes wrong or the other DPS won't do it (or heck if the tank doesn't mark stuff.) And when healing I can cover mistakes, in normals at least. As a tank, though? I'm kinda helpless -- burning CDs only does so much good D:

Oh, and for the record, not all of us tanks are jerks! I always pause if someone sits to eat or drink, explain tactics if needed, etc. I's a nice tank! ...even if I'm also usually ignored...o.O;

[sXe Angel]

Ug, pre-Cata when I'd do a couple LK heroic randoms as a warm up before a guildie-organized raid night I used to hate the groups that'd try to demand/order me to glitch Haddy. Usually I got no prolbs doing something like that if someone asks for it, all it'd take was a simple "Hey, I still need the achieve so could you plz glitch this so I can get it.' preferably being asked when we first zone in so I know to dismiss pet after first boss then can jump right down from the bridge and pop my fd before anyone clumsy can fall and bugger it all. What annoyed me to no end were the groups that'd get past the first boss, we'd run down and stop outta aggro range of the trash, then I'd wait for the tank to start pulling for a few moments before someone would get quite pissy and demand I glitch the thing. Not ask, but order. Peeps who did that I'd never glitch it for, just take a seat and start making bandages or something like that until they got the hint and moved on with the dungeon. Had some qq about me not being a 'team player' when doing this, to which I'd respond with 'And demanding vs asking is really the way to get things done, right?' Takes 2 secs to word something nicely/ask for something to get done and isn't all that hard to do.

Most recently it's been groups for Cata randoms where some idiot DK tank will break CC then piss and moan when he gets squished and killed first. Happened twice in a row on the same trash in GB, and the druid healer and I both pretty much flat out told him that when we use crowd control to cut down on the number of things he's got to tank, to not drop an AoE right on top of the mobs we've CC'd until he's ready to tank them as well. His response was 'Well you are in 333 gear, why can't you keep me up?' It was all 'Dude, this isn't LK, no powering through mobs in Cata blues, gotta be smart and practice raid tactics here. Which means DON'T F-ING BREAK CROWD CONTROL YOU MORON!' Dude still didn't get it, so we kicked him, ended up picking up a pally tank, and finished the dungeon just fine then.

Being a primary MM spec hunter, it's taken me a couple weeks to get comfortable with the trap launcher, but now that I am, when I hit cammo and start walking ahead of the group, it means I'm about to trap something in the mobs up ahead, so let me do my thing and once you see something get frozen, pull away. Had a druid tank in another group say he wanted me to trap stuff for CC, then pulled before I'd even had a chance at getting the trap off, qq about the wipe, to which I told him to 'Wait a sec for me to trap it, then pull after trap goes off.' Like 5 secs either way would have made that much of a diff, he gets all pissy about waiting on me, and before I can tell him where to stick his attitude, luckily for him a guildie who I was rolling randoms with initiated a kick of the tank. I mean why ask me to use a trap if your not going to wait for me to place it? Boggles the mind.

[Setanta]

yeah the whole trap mob but pull before trap is set is just mindboggling, it's even more amusing when they decide that you don't trap fast enough that they want the shammy to hex the trap mob (maybe if you let me get into range to trap I would). LK made people forget how CC works way too much and way too often. I've also had the mage in the group who sheeps then proceeds to AoE every single group of mobs, breaking both trap and sheep. Or yeah the DK that has the aoe snare that goes off every group breaking every CC.

my personal favorite so far is the priest using the pullback they get at 85 to pull me back but mistargeted and pulled one of the beguilers. I was laughing so hard if I hadn't hit scatter shot I never would have trapped my beguiler.

[Felidire]

Same thing happened today to me on my warrior. Plate DPS Bracers drop. DK Tank > Need.

Sounds like me on my DK tank. If i'm using a lvl.333 dps plate blue to tank with, and a heroic plate dps item drops i'll usually go for it, sometimes i'm nice and just pass but with the whole "reforging" thing, it's so easy for tanks to grab dps plate items and just slap some +parry/dodge onto them. (especially if they're loaded with stamina/str/mastery rating (which a significant portion of DPS plate items are..))

what bothers me more is people needing on BoE items, although I generally let it slide if it's a healer item and the healer is doing a good job.

[Lisaara]

what bothers me more is people needing on BoE items, although I generally let it slide if it's a healer item and the healer is doing a good job.

If its an upgrade, people should be allowed to need on it long as its equipped.

[Aquillian]

If its an upgrade, people should be allowed to need on it long as its equipped.

This, imo. To be honest I never check if things are BoP or BoE, I roll need if it's an upgrade and fully expect others to do the same. *shrug* I'd rather someone get an upgrade than make some gold XD

[Lisaara]

If its an upgrade, people should be allowed to need on it long as its equipped.

This, imo. To be honest I never check if things are BoP or BoE, I roll need if it's an upgrade and fully expect others to do the same. *shrug* I'd rather someone get an upgrade than make some gold XD

I mean I'd get peeved if a paladin rolled on a mage/priest robe or something. But if its an upgrade, BoE or BoP, it shouldn't matter. On my druid, theres been plenty of BoEs that have been wonderful upgrades.

[Felidire]

There's a 90% chance that it's an upgrade for my alt, main, or off-spec. If there was a lv.359, epic BoE 2H sword that dropped - and i'm the only person in the group who can use 2-hander weapons - i'd fully expect everyone (myself included) to greed.. But I may figure: "screw it," and need on it anyway. (which I consider very rude and against general group etiquette, but I do occasionally think "me > these random strangers, that's a nice drop.") I've never really been a loot-whore, and if I had $1 for every time a dps flogged one of my +dodge tanking plate items, well.. I'd have a couple extra months worth of game time right now. XD

It does bother me when I see people needing BoE items, as the rest of the group can easily sell those BoE drops for 10k gold, and then spend that 10k gold on LW/BS crafted items as upgrades. If the group is chill enough to let you need on BoEs then fair enough (i'd expect most guilds to allow this in a guild run), but with pug groups greeding is just the polite thing to do.. and if more people thought along those lines, then perhaps many of today's groups would be a little less "crappy." x3

[Lisaara]

There's a 90% chance that it's an upgrade for my alt, main, or off-spec. If there was a lv.359, epic BoE 2H sword that dropped - and i'm the only person in the group who can use 2-hander weapons - i'd fully expect everyone (myself included) to greed.. But I may figure: "screw it," and need on it anyway. (which I consider very rude and against general group etiquette, but I do occasionally think "me > these random strangers, that's a nice drop.") I've never really been a loot-whore, and if I had $1 for every time a dps flogged one of my +dodge tanking plate items, well.. I'd have a couple extra months worth of game time right now. XD

It does bother me when I see people needing BoE items, as the rest of the group can easily sell those BoE drops for 10k gold, and then spend that 10k gold on LW/BS crafted items as upgrades. If the group is chill enough to let you need on BoEs then fair enough (i'd expect most guilds to allow this in a guild run), but with pug groups greeding is just the polite thing to do.. and if more people thought along those lines, then perhaps many of today's groups would be a little less "crappy." x3

I'd like to know your server cause those BoEs do NOT sell that much. Highest I've seen those BoEs go for is 50g. and thats for blues, not greens. Greens usually never are above 25g.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Well, I've just had a pretty rude awakening.

I've had plenty of bad groups before (stupid people, people who afk too much, bad tanks, etc etc) but I think tonight has topped my list of bad groups.

I don't know what it is with the Cata dungeons, but I queue up on my hunter because I'm in the mood to level her a bit and I get queued into Throne of the Tides (which I've never done) with a guild group from Mug'thol. I didn't bother mentioning that I hadn't done it, and looking on it now, I'm kind of glad. On the first pull the tank starts accusing me of pulling aggro because the mobs in there seem to pick random targets and frostbolt them (my omen would have told me if I had pulled aggro). And like a good hunter, I had misdirected on the pull.

I link MD. So the healer says something to the extent of "Just listen to the tank, it's my jurisdiction whether or not you get heals." I say that they must just be firing off to people at random because I'm not pulling aggro. I get called a noob. So I start waiting on all my pulls, keep MDing. I'm still taking damage even though I'm waiting to start my abilities. Healer refuses to heal me, the shadow priest insisted on doing nothing but make fun of me. Worst part is, they were going to let me tag along just to torture me; I instead opted to quit.

I have never come across something so rude in my entire life. When my guild and I do runs together and we get a PuG in our group, we treat them with respect, and explain everything to them. We won't kick someone unless they're making the run go more difficult than it should be. So I have to wonder...do people only act like total douchebags when they're with their guildies because they think they're cool? My group's own death knight from there guild wasn't interrupting the healer mobs like he could have/should have been.

I've never felt so humiliated in all my life. And I'm a pretty sensitive person. Those things they said hurt my feelings. I know I'm not a bad player, I'm an average player, but I have enough common sense not to pull aggro off the tank. As stupid as it sounds, I cried in real life. Yes, I know they're just pixels and that they're people I'll probably never see again. But that doesn't make the things they said less mean, especially when I seemed to have picked a shitty day for dungeon queues I guess. Even at the lower brackets I've run into nothing but assholes today. I feel like I don't even want to play the game.

Sorry to rant a bit, but this really frustrated and upset me because I don't understand why people have to act like that. Even ignoring me would have been better than acting like know it alls when clearly they didn't. I know there's times when I can be snappy and mean to another player, but that's only after giving them a chance, and in fact, I've actually become a little more patient and tolerant. I try not to be mean to others and if I know I'm in a bad mood, I just don't talk to the groups I'm in. Hell, if I'm on and moody, I'll ignore my guild sometimes as well. I just don't understand the need for guild groups to be mean and pick on the one PuG they had to pick up.

[Lupis]

Tyger - they are insecure noobs who have no idea what they're doing, but afraid of the idea of not being The Best, they blame others.
Those people have no place in the game, or around anyone else, until they learn what "A mind" is.

[TygerDarkstorm]

Tyger - they are insecure noobs who have no idea what they're doing, but afraid of the idea of not being The Best, they blame others.
Those people have no place in the game, or around anyone else, until they learn what "A mind" is.

Thanks for that.

[Kalliope]

If its an upgrade, people should be allowed to need on it long as its equipped.

This, imo. To be honest I never check if things are BoP or BoE, I roll need if it's an upgrade and fully expect others to do the same. *shrug* I'd rather someone get an upgrade than make some gold XD

I mean I'd get peeved if a paladin rolled on a mage/priest robe or something. But if its an upgrade, BoE or BoP, it shouldn't matter. On my druid, theres been plenty of BoEs that have been wonderful upgrades.

Pallies shouldn't be rolling on cloth anymore, not with the bonus you get for using your intended armor type.

[Felidire]

I link MD. So the healer says something to the extent of "Just listen to the tank, it's my jurisdiction whether or not you get heals." I say that they must just be firing off to people at random because I'm not pulling aggro. I get called a noob. So I start waiting on all my pulls, keep MDing. I'm still taking damage even though I'm waiting to start my abilities. Healer refuses to heal me, the shadow priest insisted on doing nothing but make fun of me.

Lousy guild full of narrow-minded bigots.. I would have voted to kick the healer - which would fail - so that they can't initiate another vote-kick on me, then i'd just stand next to the healer without attacking, saying "omg tank, hold aggro! i'm not even attacking, you're a fail tank, your guild iz t3h suxx0r." XD; until the healer starts healing you, you just use spirit beast heals, FD, deterrence, and keep out damage range... I'd stand 50 yards back playing with smoke flares.

It's stupid, you go there to enjoy yourself and you shouldn't have to put up with people like that.. But instead of letting people like that get you you and feeling upset by their harsh remarks, I just try to make a joke out of it, irritate them, and laugh at them. (Hey, if they want a crappy hunter, then we can sure as hell give them one, right?) You could even MD additional mobs to their healer and use FD, then say: "Seeing as you're not healing me, i'm just gonna practice how to take lower damage and survive through wipes." ^.^-

Sorry you had to get grouped with losers like that though, *hug* x3

I'd like to know your server cause those BoEs do NOT sell that much. Highest I've seen those BoEs go for is 50g. and thats for blues, not greens. Greens usually never are above 25g.

I've sold level 82-83 blue BoE junk in the Nesingwary AH for 500-2000g easily, been on at least a dozen different servers and I can pretty much guarantee that it's around about the same for all of them..

You seen those level 85 epic BoE items in the AH lately? Roughly 45,000g each.. Should a random person be entitled to that weapon? or should everyone who participated in the group be allowed to roll for it, and then sell it to get enough gold to buy half a decent armor set?

Pallies shouldn't be rolling on cloth anymore, not with the bonus you get for using your intended armor type.

I should mention the pally healer that I got for DTK just now, wouldn't start casting a heal until I was under 25% HP, let me die twice (but the rest of the group somehow manages to survive after im dead, with 3-5 mobs running around uncontrollably, then we get to the last boss and he needs on tank gear.

I always blacklist these people, and hope that I group with them again @ 85 heroics - where they won't even remember me - so that I can need on their drops and boot them right before the final boss pull. (i'm not spiteful in the slightest!) XDD

[Lisaara]

I've sold level 82-83 blue BoE junk in the Nesingwary AH for 500-2000g easily, been on at least a dozen different servers and I can pretty much guarantee that it's around about the same for all of them..

You seen those level 85 epic BoE items in the AH lately? Roughly 45,000g each.. Should a random person be entitled to that weapon? or should everyone who participated in the group be allowed to roll for it, and then sell it to get enough gold to buy half a decent armor set?

Yes. They should. If it's an upgrade, it's better for it to be USED than greedily SOLD considering that the 'gear' you need will be bought with Valor Points or Justice Points. And yes, I have seen them. They're no where near those numbers on Moon Guard.

So I'm sorry but I'm not gonna be greedy and say people cant need on something thats an upgrade if its BoE. That's just plain rude and selfish, IMHO.

Now if someones needing on BoE gear and its obviously not for them or an upgrade at all, then I'll call them out on it and kick them. Otherwise, it's free game. Need = Upgrade. Greed = No one needs it so it should be sold. That's kinda the whole purpose.