i blame mmo-champ :/

[Vetiver]

the way i feel about it is that people who care about cool new pets even a little bit look up all the cool new pet info before it comes out because they are excited about it. they used to have an advantage for taming them over Mr. Lazy Hunter, Mr. Apathetic Hunter, and Mr. Uninformed Hunter...but now that advantage is mostly gone.

the only comfort i take is in knowing that most of those people are probably never going to empty their cache lolol.

[TygerDarkstorm]

the way i feel about it is that people who care about cool new pets even a little bit look up all the cool new pet info before it comes out because they are excited about it. they used to have an advantage for taming them over Mr. Lazy Hunter, Mr. Apathetic Hunter, and Mr. Uninformed Hunter...but now that advantage is mostly gone.

the only comfort i take is in knowing that most of those people are probably never going to empty their cache lolol.

That's kind of narcissistic. Not everyone has access to/looks at WoW related websites. Not everyone follows beta and learns about these things ahead of time. That doesn't make them less entitled to tame any of the hunter pets out there than someone who does go and look things up.

Those creatures were put in the game for hunters of ALL sorts to tame them, not just a select few. MMO-Champion is just doing its job--putting out information about the game that it follows. Yes it sucks that it could mean more griefing/competition, but that could have happened anyway once more people started leveling up.

[Cialbi]

Novikova, I also understand someone being furious about a jealous hunter killing their tame. However, pinning the blame for that individual's actions partially on MMOC is a bit of a stretch, unless MMOC was actively encouraging hunters to try and steal or kill other hunters' tames.

[Cialbi]

the way i feel about it is that people who care about cool new pets even a little bit look up all the cool new pet info before it comes out because they are excited about it. they used to have an advantage for taming them over Mr. Lazy Hunter, Mr. Apathetic Hunter, and Mr. Uninformed Hunter...but now that advantage is mostly gone.

the only comfort i take is in knowing that most of those people are probably never going to empty their cache lolol.

That's kind of narcissistic. Not everyone has access to/looks at WoW related websites. Not everyone follows beta and learns about these things ahead of time. That doesn't make them less entitled to tame any of the hunter pets out there than someone who does go and look things up.

Those creatures were put in the game for hunters of ALL sorts to tame them, not just a select few. MMO-Champion is just doing its job--putting out information about the game that it follows. Yes it sucks that it could mean more griefing/competition, but that could have happened anyway once more people started leveling up.

Thank you for explaining it better than I had, and in a nicer tone. I probably shouldn't have been so sarcastic earlier.

[SgtMakkie]

Try to make friends with the other hunters and find out when the last rare was tamed/killed. Be polite, little kindness goes a long way.

So very true, I even had 1 hunter come and ask me where Terrorpene was from, so I said I'd show them, so I beckoned to follow me... Due to other things getting in the way the hunter added me and after 5 hours later we hooked up and I head off to show the spot in Hyjal. I did have to giggle when I said the about the spawn timer.

3 days later I got a message from a very happy hunter saying they had found and tamed Terrorpene.

[Vetiver]

sigh. i am not saying that it sucks that there are more hunters who love the rares looking for them now. i am saying it sucks that people who would have never given it a second thought are now added to the competition.

let's say your hobby is baking, and not rare hunting, and you work your ass off making a cake from scratch for a baking contest. there is another person who likes to eat cake, but really has no interest in making them. while stopping at the local bakery to pick up some cupcakes, this cake eating person is told by the sales lady about the competition, and the cash prize. they stop at walmart on the way home and grab a cake mix to enter, because the rules do not explicitly state that they need to make a cake from scratch.

if they won that contest over you or someone else who made a cake from scratch out of the pure love of baking, and you didn't get even the teensiest bit resentful, then you are buddha pretending to be a regular person.

also anyone who plays wow has access to wow websites, silly. all it takes is one google search. if they can't be arsed to do even that, then that speaks volumes for their interest in the subject matter at hand, eh?

[Vetiver]

(that said, i do welcome new rare spawn fans, it's really just npcscan that i object to, since now there will be no narrow escapes of discovery for hunters to find later. random people are tripping all over rares without even looking for them.)

[Novikova]

the way i feel about it is that people who care about cool new pets even a little bit look up all the cool new pet info before it comes out because they are excited about it. they used to have an advantage for taming them over Mr. Lazy Hunter, Mr. Apathetic Hunter, and Mr. Uninformed Hunter...but now that advantage is mostly gone.

the only comfort i take is in knowing that most of those people are probably never going to empty their cache lolol.

That's kind of narcissistic. Not everyone has access to/looks at WoW related websites. Not everyone follows beta and learns about these things ahead of time. That doesn't make them less entitled to tame any of the hunter pets out there than someone who does go and look things up.

Those creatures were put in the game for hunters of ALL sorts to tame them, not just a select few. MMO-Champion is just doing its job--putting out information about the game that it follows. Yes it sucks that it could mean more griefing/competition, but that could have happened anyway once more people started leveling up.

Yeah, I was gonna say. Sure it was nice when it was mostly petopians and beta peeps, but it wasn't gonna last forever. I stayed away from spoilers myself - outside of what rares there would be. I was a bit mad MMO-Champ was NOT clear that the tamables were not BoE droppers, so you get confused treasure hunters but - oh well.

Edit: And I *like* npcscan. It's enabled me to find new pets for people (I've given away two Madexxes, a couple of basin rares and some stuff), fight a new boss along side someone and so on. I still enjoy the discovery. :/ It also lets people step away from the keyboard and search for their beloved pet. Many petopians are older and may have kids/job/chores. You can't let your home become a cesspit while chasing a rare after all.

[Vetiver]

people who like pets = good
people who hunt rares because they like them = really good
npcscan = best addon i have ever had
random dudes who have no appreciation for pets, but who got npcscan because mmoc told them to, so they now are *always* looking for rares without even knowing it, and despite not caring might kill or tame something just because their addon yelled at them = i am sad in the pants
random dudes who got npcscan because mmoc told them to, but have a new found love for unique pets = still really good

[Cialbi]

people who like pets = good
people who hunt rares because they like them = really good
npcscan = best addon i have ever had
random dudes who have no appreciation for pets, but who got npcscan because mmoc told them to, so they now are *always* looking for rares without even knowing it, and despite not caring might kill or tame something just because their addon yelled at them = i am sad in the pants
random dudes who got npcscan because mmoc told them to, but have a new found love for unique pets = still really good

OK; this I can agree with. I would have certainly been a good idea for MMOC to make it amply clear that these tamable rares that were introduced in Cataclysm have nothing to offer when killed except a vendor trash item worth 25g, and showed the tooltip for said vendor trash. That alone would have dissuaded anyone who would be disheartened by looting that Crystallized Tear of Loyalty; those that wouldn't be dissuaded really can't be helped.

It may be worth suggesting to whoever maintains _NPCScan to have a message pop up when a tamable Cata rare is found that explains this NPC to be valued by hunters as a pet but does not yield anything more than vendor trash when looted.

[Comett]

The thing that gets me in these situations is just how... unfair it is that some person can rock up and see a spawn and kill it. When many of us (I'm sure) have all the addons, all the routes and spawn points, and have spent hours circling, socialising and otherwise trying to increase the liklihood that the next spawn will be our tame - yet through some fluke of luck or whatever, as you're circling, the mob spawns elsewhere and someone else kills it in the 2 minutes it takes you to circle back to the spawn point...

It's amazing that it happens. o_o When you think about it like that. Considering the pain we go through to get them, it's amazing they can still be found and killed in the very short amount of time that we fly between spawns or whatever.

I sort of agree with Vetiver here. ^^ Of course anyone who plays the game is entitled to kill or tame whichever mob they so choose. But... like I said above, it's just amazing and sort of lame when someone uninformed or uncaring stumbles upon the mob and tames/kills it without really caring either way. I mean, if the uninformed hunter finds it and absolutely loved it and "omg, it's tamable! And it's rare, wow! I'm so lucky!" then that's fantastic, and I'd be very happy for them. Less happy for someone who rocks up, sees it's a rare and tames it and abandons it a couple of hours later cause they didn't really care lol.

It reminds me of when I was looking for Jadefang for the minipet, having already tamed her some days ago. I hadn't been camping, but I'd been popping back every few hours to see if she had spawned. Finally she did, and I used my daily quest bomb to jump up onto the ledge. Just as I was about to kill her I got a whisper from a hunter saying "darn, grats that you found a way up there, I've been looking for one for the past 15 minutes and couldn't find out how". He grats'd me and went on his way before I could explain to him how to get it, so I killed it for the minipet... but I still feel bad about it. Having said that, I'd been actively searching for it and done my research, and he hadn't... I still hope he got it eventually. :X Cause I guess if it wasn't me, someone else would have come along anyway. Meh.

[Kurasu]

So, curious. I know that there's angry blame for MMO. But what about Wowhead, whose comments mention this regularly? What about the macros? What about the multiple people on Wowhead who mention their interest in taming these things?

I don't read MMO. I *do* read Wowhead. Guess where I found out about NPCscan?

It was just something that I was realizing as I flipped through Wowhead.

[Demonium]

its not only hunters. seen warriors and rogues around.

they are called griefers. it was always alliance who killed krush when i would be trying to tame him. and it was always someone from a top ally guild.

also im sure you can report people for constantly following you around? cos thats what some of the nelf hunters here are doing, constantly following me around.

[Pent]

Concerning griefers...

On PvP realms you can NOT do anything about them except enlist others (if the griefers are the other faction) and kill them... but if they are your own faction all you can do is basically log out if they kill something that you have already tapped and are taming. It doesn't do any good to get mad at them or yell at them, because that is what they want. You can send in a GM ticket, but you'll get a response back saying there is not a "griefing" ruleset on PvP realms.

On PvE realms though... Griefing is strongly frowned upon by Blizzard. If someone tags a beast before you can... that is NOT griefing. If someone is following you around specifically wanting to steal your beast... that is not griefing yet. If you get the claim (the mob goes grey to everyone else) and you start the tame and THEN they start hitting it, and you tell them to stop you are trying to tame it (you have to say something to them so they can't tell the GM they thought they were helping you), but they kill it anyway and then fly off... that IS griefing.
Open a ticket, inform the GM that you had the claim, you were taming it, they started hitting it and you told them to stop. Griefing tickets on PvE realms will be looked at.. more than likely you won't get the pet from the GM (because technically I am sure they can't give you something you never had), but something will be said to the griefer.
Let the GM handle it, and don't go cursing at the griefer because then you'll get reported... don't even talk to the griefer... that is what they want.
And yes, on a PvE realm a griefer can be either faction... it doesn't matter if you are Horde and an Alliance killed your tame or if it was another Horde...

I am not sure what the rules on a RP server are...

Regarding people who are trying to "sell" rare beasts they stumble onto... if they say 10k gold, just say an amount (50g is more than what they are going to get if they kill it) that you will pay AFTER a successful tame. Say it in General Chat so everyone can see, and if the guy says he has another person who offered more... then in General Chat tell him to say something in General Chat too so he doesn't get ripped off. It's bad for business to do this but if you are willing to pay 500g and not 10k gold then you might walk away with a new pet, but you'll have a bad taste in your mouth... that will go away.
You can also say in General Chat that you are coming to find it and if it isn't claimed you will tag it and tame it... it might get killed out of spite but you'll gain something you didn't have before... the time it died, and the satisfaction that it isn't getting sold for 10k gold.... just don't kill it if someone else is taming it already.

You have to be ready to let the griefer, trolls, and the wannabe auctioneers know that you don't care if it dies and you'll camp it til you get it no matter what. Don't make a fuss over it, and don't get upset... all that does is feed their inner desire to be noticed.

Hopefully I explained enough here that will discourage rage and whatnot if a griefer (or a form of griefer) messes with people... always expect to be let down, and always expect to have to wait longer... and then realize that when everything is said and done that you'll get the pet eventually.

[Vetiver]

i camped ashtail for a long time, only to have it killed by the same orc jackass 2 times in front of me. he waited til i was halfway through the tame both times. the next one i saw spawn, i didn't even bother, i just let him have it so he would go away. but he continued to stand on top of me and harrass me as i was waiting for mine. (he got bored hours later, and i got it finally lol)

tried to report him for griefing and was told by a gm that it only counts as griefing if he does it like 10 times.

[Ryai]

Concerning griefers...

On PvP realms you can NOT do anything about them except enlist others (if the griefers are the other faction) and kill them... but if they are your own faction all you can do is basically log out if they kill something that you have already tapped and are taming. It doesn't do any good to get mad at them or yell at them, because that is what they want. You can send in a GM ticket, but you'll get a response back saying there is not a "griefing" ruleset on PvP realms.

Actually no it could be considered griefing, I heard tales of a hunter on a pvp server who would continually gank non horde hunters and kill skoll, and I think even kill skoll out from under horde hunters. Once or twice you can probably get away with, but continual harassment like that is most likely ticketable because that isn't really pvping. That's just being a dickhead.



Anyways, Op, you shouldn't really care about the campers. I mean yes it does get disheartening, but you should try and pick times that there will be less players, or utilize time zones. usually I found most of my rares near around midnight server time, or very early in the morning or, by luck, in the middle of the day o-o

So, curious. I know that there's angry blame for MMO. But what about Wowhead, whose comments mention this regularly? What about the macros? What about the multiple people on Wowhead who mention their interest in taming these things?

The hate is this tho;

Wowhead lists the entire loot for all tamable rares. This means everyone that goes to wowhead, knows that cata tamables only drop a 25g item. Outside of griefers, most people are going to leave the animal alone as it has been reported, they only killed it originally thinking it was a 'fair game' creature. IE it dropped loot like ALL OTHER RARES. But upon finding it doesn't and all it is is basically a glorified hunter pet, they felt bad.

MMO afaik has NOT stated this and has NOT clarified that tamable cata rares only drop a useless 25g grey. Most people, outside of griefers, will most likely think that the animals are now fair game because they were listed along with other rares, and hell one of them drops a pet! So they must drop loot too!

I hope I explained it well enough.

[Novikova]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of comments on wowhead that said they got all excited seeing a rare and felt like a total tool when they got the loot.

[Cialbi]

I don't see any reason to pin blame on comments you see on Wowhead. You can report comments to the moderators, but nothing will happen unless said comment goes against their stated forum rules. These comments do not, however, speak for Wowhead - they won't restrict you from expressing an opinion that they may not agree with as long as you aren't disobeying the forum rules. Besides, the staff and moderators aren't the only force regulating which comments on an item, spell, or achievement stay or are removed - if a comment is given a low enough rating by other members (each one able to uprate or downrate a comment once), and the rating doesn't improve fast enough, said comment will be automatically purged.
For that matter, the only regulation as to what data they will accept from the Wowhead Looter (the addon that is used to collect data for Wowhead) is that the data can't be from a private server. In fact, the reason that some of the tamable rares weren't in the database was in fact because they were being erroneously filtered out as private server data (this has been fixed).

The Wowhead Blog is an entirely different matter - that's how I learned about the Deepholm version of the TLPD and the camel figurines in Uldum. I do not recall if they mentioned that the tamable rares (which would have doubtlessly been covered by now) will only drop the tears.

[Ryai]

I think you misread my post. The reason I said there was hate for MMO and not for Wowhead, is the fact wowhead for the most part, as I said, lists the entire loot table for the rares. While MMO does not and Boub made no mention that the tamable rares DROP NOTHING. Edit: outside of Jadefang but the pet is bop so it really drops nothing after the first kill.

Seriously; Before MMO had information up outside of a couple other hunters, I saw only one other and it was a paladin camping for Sambas. By now Sambas had been on wowhead, but this is most likely why there were so few, because most people don't bother with wowhead and those that did were not greifers outside of well the paladin.

After MMO's flare for dramatics? Paladins and Druids EVERYWHERE at EVERY SINGLE SPAWN FOR SAMBAS. I couldn't go from one to another without tripping over like 3 druids from either faction and a paladin afk 'high' right over a spawn point. And this pretty much lasted a long while.

Hell even for Karoma I started seeing non hunters afking right over her spawn points.

That's what I meant about why most of us don't hate Wowhead, while we hated MMO. As like 70% of us all experienced a dramatic increase of non hunter campers. Tho thankfully it has eased somewhat.

[Demonium]

signed in at honors point last night to find a nelf druid camping the honor point spawn point. i logged out and logged into my ally DK and asked him if he was camping Sambas. it took him a while but he replied yes ( ) i told him it doesnt drop any loot or anything. i got ignored. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR