Crappy Groups

[Ryai]

I like the door strat in HoR; I can actually make use of freezing arrow!

I know! I love that!!! Focus firing, getting range, and CCing are always easier when you're not crammed into the alcove. Not to mention, you can actually see what's coming at you. Most pugs won't stay at the door, though.

ZOMG, WE HAVE TO LOS PULL! ZOMG, UR A NOOB TANKING AT THE DOOR!

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What's this? We've one-shot everything? No one's died? THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT AS WE KNOW IT DIDN'T END?

Yeah, this is pretty much what happened the last time my pally tanked at the door....only with less commentary.

I probably wouldn't tank there on a bear, though. No silence to pull some of the casters together.

Tbh I found it easier to do it from the aclove. Sure I can't use Jareth, but Jupiter or Neptune [Loque/Skoll] get some showtime and I do dps well enough. Well when I do bother to attempt to get a HoR run, not been there recently. Anyways. All we do is tank and healer are on one sid of the aclove, usually with my pet, stealthed, and me and the rest of the dps are on the other side. Usually me in the corner complaining about range.

It's not that I don't want to CC, it's just that I never knew they could be frozen. I know I've seen priests shackle them, but I've never seen one get frozen. And we never really AoE them down at the get go. Casters first, melee second, the bloody crack dorf hunter last.

[Saturo]

I just got another example.
Was tanking on my warrior. There's a Mage, annoying as hell, always posting his Recount and bragging about his DPS. Anyway, he insists that I'm too slow. On the occasions that I do get to pull, he will start his AoE directly. Now, as everyone knows, Warriors aren't the best AoE aggro holders. We also need a few seconds to get aggro. Mostly tough, I didn't get the chance to pull, since he'd start Fireballing, and then yell at me in /p about not getting the mobs off of him fast enough. In the end, I whispered the healer not to ress him, I let him pull, and watched him get swiftly devoured by mobs. Then I picked the mobs up, and we proceeded. He didn't release spirit, he just lied there and bitched at the healer for not ressing him.

We were out of votekicks, and got him randomed to us after we kicked a Rogue that didn't know what Stealth and focused fire meant.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I need to vent too. In Drak'Tharon, I had a priest who said straight off that we should hurry through. I hated running Drak after running it 15+ times for a sword, so I agreed. I didn't know how badly he meant it. He started running ahead and being tank. When I asked about it, the tank was confused too. We pleaded the priest to let the tank do his job. After a couple wipes withing five minutes, (with failed attempts to vote-kick), he leaves. It was just me, the tank, and someone who was just not there. No response, body laying there. Probably a bot. Anyway, we decided to go our own ways. Some dungeons seem to be made to be nightmares.

[Kalliope]

Tbh I found it easier to do it from the aclove.

It's a nice strategy for getting them to group up, but if you're good at picking up the melee and pull in one of the casters with a silence (unless you're a bear, in which case, drag the melee over to one of the casters), then that's not too much of a problem. It's more on tanks there than anything else.

It's not that I don't want to CC, it's just that I never knew they could be frozen. I know I've seen priests shackle them, but I've never seen one get frozen. And we never really AoE them down at the get go. Casters first, melee second, the bloody crack dorf hunter last.

Yep! There's actually not a whole lot of pure CC that works on undead, but shackle, repentance, and freeze traps do. I like trapping the hunter especially, since he tends to sit still.

[Kalliope]

Okay, here's a good one.

Been running ramps with Nas, since she's in need of gear. Get a dodgy group with a dk tank who was low on defense (this is normal at this level), a warrior who likes to bladestorm, a shadow priest who was okay, and a hunter with no pet. At first, I thought he was a bot, since he seemed to have one of the others on follow, and he didn't answer when I asked him if he was there to tame one of the warhounds. He eventually DID answer, and it turned out that he'd just abandoned his pet and the dungeon popped. Err, okay. So I suggested to him that he tame one of the warhounds. This turned out to be a mistake. More on that later.

After two double-pull-wipes in a row (due to that whole low defense thing), since the warrior was unable to use zerker rage to stop himself from pulling another pack and left the group in shame, everyone left but the hunter and me. I didn't want to leave the hunter in a bad spot, so I told him to go get a pet while we waited. Three people got queued in pretty quickly, but not so quickly that he couldn't get a new pet. But he didn't. The new tank, a pally, liked to overpull and apparently had an aversion to letting the hunter tame a warhound. No idea, don't ask. The hunter, frustrated, no doubt, ran ahead to tame an untapped warhound. Naturally, this pulled the other three mobs linked with it. Sigh. I got healing aggro on one of the dogs and told the hunter to tame it. And then....I d/ced. Zzz internet. I reconnect to find...everyone alive. O_o However, it seems that my d/c went unnoticed, as the tank managed to pull the boss(!) while there was still part of another pack up(!!). Needless to say, I was behind on heals from the getgo, so we wiped. I left after the "ARE YOU EVEN HEALING?!" from the tank. Zzzzzz. Didn't bother explaining about the d/c. Not worth it.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I have a minor rant with a question. Today I had a Death Knight tank who just couldn't hold aggro. I complained I was having trouble doing my job with try to get aggro off myself (and the healer) and keeping my pet alive. He suggested I switch to Aspect of the Viper, because of the improved pet mending and decreased threat. Nothing I've read indicates this. Am I missing something? He sounded so sure of himself I thought he knew my class better than me. But it doesn't make sense. /shrug

[Saturo]

Never heard of Viper healing. He's right about the aggro tough. Viper cuts your DPS in half, thusly decreasing total aggro generated. But it's not worth it! D&D is more than enough to keep aggro trough several heals, and the occassional Volley/Multishot.

[Kalliope]

Seriously?

The guy should have said to MD him, if you weren't already.

I have no idea what your gear's like in relation to his, so I can't tell if you were opening up too early or if his overall threat was weak. Most pug tanks can't hold aggro off me, so I have to watch my threat or offtank stuff. But I don't blame them; it's a massive gear difference.

Agreed with Saturo, though; there's no reason to go viper to avoid pulling. And the pet mending thing is made up.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I was actually the lowest level person there. I really shouldn't have been generating that much threat. Never been asked to halve my damage before. It's like people who tell me to put my pet on passive because they say it's pulling mobs. No, the others running away are. So many times I've been told to get rid of my pet...

[Tahlian]

People who tell you to get rid of your pet are still holding on to a very old view of hunter pets, way back from the Vanilla days. Back then, pet pathing was...well...not very smart, to put it politely. There was always a chance a poorly pathing pet would pull an extra group, hence the reason that Marksman and Survival hunters back then would tend to not have a pet out at all. If they had a pet out, it was likely a wolf, which was kept on Passive at their side with Furious Howl (back then a group buff, not just a buff to the hunter and wolf alone) macro'ed into their shot rotation.

These days, on the other hand, the pet's actual damage is considered part of the hunter's total expected DPS by the developers, and our pets' pathing has been much improved. It's not perfect, of course...nothing is, but our pets don't tend to randomly pull things like they once did. So use your pet with pride...no matter the tree, it's part of what makes you a hunter!

[Saturo]

Amusingly, when they "fixed" pet pathing, the pets and the mobs began "dancing", runnig away from you in short, hacky motions. Many times have I just watched dumbfolded when my pet decides to run into the pack next to him for no reason.

[Vephriel]

Amusingly, when they "fixed" pet pathing, the pets and the mobs began "dancing", runnig away from you in short, hacky motions. Many times have I just watched dumbfolded when my pet decides to run into the pack next to him for no reason.

*seethes* Argh, this pisses me off to no end. -.- I wish they'd actually fix it again and get rid of that horrible tendency for pets to go "IMA GO OVER HERE NOW K BAI! WEEEE I'M RUNNIN!!"

[FlightofthePhoenix]

Amusingly, when they "fixed" pet pathing, the pets and the mobs began "dancing", runnig away from you in short, hacky motions. Many times have I just watched dumbfolded when my pet decides to run into the pack next to him for no reason.

*seethes* Argh, this pisses me off to no end. -.- I wish they'd actually fix it again and get rid of that horrible tendency for pets to go "IMA GO OVER HERE NOW K BAI! WEEEE I'M RUNNIN!!"

That reminds me of one time we took down a mob, and my pet took off running for no apparent reason. I almost thought he got feared, but that wasn't it. Scared the crap out of me. Came back just before plowing into another mob. No, he wasn't on aggressive. I joked that my pet must have gotten hungry and then gave Decimen a stern warning!

[Ungoro]

I got invited into a group, it was from my mate so i accepted and he simply said "CoS hc?" and seeing as i was in the group i didn't want to just abondon my friend (It was a failing pug) so i said back "CoS is s**t" the tank jumps in and calls me s**t...i facepalmed IRL and saw this guy was gonna be an ass. For that exact reason i stuck with the group and trolled them, well, mainly trolled the tank. I get summoned, run in and mount up and waiting for millenia for everyone to show up where the fighting actually happens. We run in and wait for some other guy, i run in and misdirect on the healer (my mate) and fire three shots at the elites. He's dead in a few and i instantly Feign Death and they wipe. I was actually surprised the tank didn't nerd rage at me until i mentioned something about his aggro holding, but he stuck with us. Unfortuantly my mate put the lootng on need for greed, so i couldn't need the healing mace i'm able to use at level 81...I went through the group, trying to misdirect on other group members and wipe, but as it was the indoor part there wasn't really enough room and the DK tank used his red floor attack.

I mean, the tank didn't actually offend me when he called me s**t. I mean, i know i'm not in the best gear, but when i'm playing seriously or in a raid i do quite well. But for him to randomly come out and call me that, when i didn't direct anything i stated when i first joined the group towards him in an offensive manner, he deserved to be trolled the entire instance i think...

[Kalliope]

So many times I've been told to get rid of my pet...

I had to practically beg a BM hunter to pull her pet back out after the DEATH KNIGHT'S PET was told to be off aggressive. No one in the party had berated the hunter, but she'd dismissed hers anyway. I can't even imagine what abuse she'd taken to prompt that sort of response, y'know? :/

So terrible. I felt so bad for that hunter.

[Saturo]

Aye, some people are mean.

Tough, once when I was tanking, a real huntard ran around with an aggressive pet. "we get done faster u retard!". Apparently he was helping me with my retardism...
In some cases, criticism against pets can be founded.

[Kalliope]

Oh, definitely. But in that case, it wasn't......and it wasn't even on her. >_<

[Ryai]

I got invited into a group, it was from my mate so i accepted and he simply said "CoS hc?" and seeing as i was in the group i didn't want to just abondon my friend (It was a failing pug) so i said back "CoS is s**t" the tank jumps in and calls me s**t...i facepalmed IRL and saw this guy was gonna be an ass. For that exact reason i stuck with the group and trolled them, well, mainly trolled the tank. I get summoned, run in and mount up and waiting for millenia for everyone to show up where the fighting actually happens. We run in and wait for some other guy, i run in and misdirect on the healer (my mate) and fire three shots at the elites. He's dead in a few and i instantly Feign Death and they wipe. I was actually surprised the tank didn't nerd rage at me until i mentioned something about his aggro holding, but he stuck with us. Unfortuantly my mate put the lootng on need for greed, so i couldn't need the healing mace i'm able to use at level 81...I went through the group, trying to misdirect on other group members and wipe, but as it was the indoor part there wasn't really enough room and the DK tank used his red floor attack.

I mean, the tank didn't actually offend me when he called me s**t. I mean, i know i'm not in the best gear, but when i'm playing seriously or in a raid i do quite well. But for him to randomly come out and call me that, when i didn't direct anything i stated when i first joined the group towards him in an offensive manner, he deserved to be trolled the entire instance i think...

To be honest you sir are offensive. You had the opportunity to just leave but instead you griefed them? Maybe possibly the reason he wanted CoS was because if you don't have someone trying to heckle, harass or force wipes it's an instance you can do in under 30 mins and for some get a mount?

I'm sorry but I don't see anything bad or crappy about the group you had- just YOUR actions and what YOU did.

[Sonata]

Here comes another..okay wasn't a sucky group but man....I'll say it with a nutshell comment, SLOW DOWN!

This was actually my last random that I had the chance to get to before the comp crashed. Was Halls of Lightning Heroic on my healing druid again ( I admit he's my baby and my first toon, I can't hate him) and we have a Warrior tank with a elemental shammy, arcane mage and retry combo. Looks promising right?
Well there was no communication, yes...this group said no "hi" we were ON the move ASAP. Been trying to get used to XPerl, really mixed up....Had my mentor behind me for backup. Had a horrible headache to top it all.
Back to the topic, the tank went quite infact ZOOM! gathering the mobs and going to the next...and the next mob pile. We rushed to the stairs without the mage almost, poor gnome couldn't keep up.
Happy thing is nobody (but me) died, because sweet warrior pulled the patrol after the elemental boss AND the runeforged dwarfs..died of poison. The real annoyance starts at Loken, please do tell me...I know the tactics, hug the boss as close as possible, but don't ranged clothies even RUN from Lightning Nova anymore?

And Ryai can I take your sweet pally as my tanking pet? I swear both of you will be fed well!

[Kalliope]

The real annoyance starts at Loken, please do tell me...I know the tactics, hug the boss as close as possible, but don't ranged clothies even RUN from Lightning Nova anymore?

Nah, everyone's expected to heal through that now, it seems. Among other things.

Sounds like a pretty crazy run. If you get another HoL like that, try to roll abolish poison on yourself and everyone else in the party when going anywhere near the packs with the vanguards. That way, even if you fall a little behind on heals, the poison will come off pretty quickly, thus saving the victim.