Crappy Groups

[Miraga]

I ran lost city... again... and, while it wasn't GREAT we were doing okay. We started and I noticed the boomkin was... well... not good. I have a boomkin alt and have done reading on what I need to be doing. I use skada so I could tell what everyone's damage and stuff was. I was first then 2 others and the boomkin. I was about 9k-11k depening on crits and stuff with trash and ~9k on bosses. Others were around 7k-8k... the boomkin was about 2k. We get through to the last boss when the tank just leaves (can't describe how much I hate it when people randomly leave!!) and we get a new tank. We go over strat and proceed to wipe. I'm doing my best to kite/misdirect the tank but the healer goes oom and it's over. I check skada and the boomkin dps was roughly 1.5k. I'm wondering wtf this guy could be doing wrong. I check which spells he's using. In the order of damage done out of the top 3, it's 1) moonfire 2) starsurge... and there is no 3. We get back to the boss and the tank suggests a new strategy as our dps is "lacking", as they put it. I notice I have Rorschach with me (my black and white super beetle tank!) and suggest that he can OT. The tank is surprisingly enthusiastic about this idea and we pull. When adds are summoned, I send Rorschach in and misdirect. omgosh he does BEAUTIFULLY! He hardly takes any damage and holds aggro even if I forget misdirect. He and I burn down adds like pros and down the boss!! Yay for Rorschach! I love this little beetle.

[Nubhorns]

Thankfully most of the groups I've had on my hunter have been great. They're all very understanding and more than willing to mark/explain the fights for me if I don't remember them.

My poor mage, though...

Got into my first Stratholme group at maybe 47, had a warrior tank who talked in all caps and /say. Okay, hey, maybe it's stuck and he doesn't bother with party chat. No big deal. Then he starts yelling something like "BIG RAGE BIG PULL!" and pulls the entire front street, drags them back to us and goes "AOE CMON MORE AOE AOE". The group consisted of a priest healer, a rogue, a lock and myself, along with the tank, and neither the rogue nor I had any sort of reliable AoE. We were focusing mobs down as well as we could but they peeled off of the tank if I so much as looked at them. Kited a few back and forth before I was forced to iceblock and die, and proceeded to get chewed out by the tank. "MAGES ARE THE BEST AOE MORE AOE NAGGI" and I'm just like "I don't get Blizzard until 55, and I'd rather not try to kill twenty mobs with Arcane Explosion if you can't hold them off of me.". The rogue was kicked for reasons unknown, and we wound up with another mage.

The priest and I are chatting through whispers wondering wtf this guy was on, and he tried to explain to the tank that no one besides the warlock had any real AoE at this level. The poor lock was doing the best he could and had the same aggro issues we all did, so the mobs at him and the tank had no AoE at all. Eventually we got to the point where we weren't going to help this tank at all, because he resorted to screaming at us for AoE and ignored the fact that we were all clothies and took hits like a little girl. The other mage and I had blinking races to the exit each pull, and the priest kept us alive until the tank dropped in a rage. The lock brought in an 83 mage friend who wanted the Elder, and we finished the run with no problems, but man that caused some serious headaches.

[Kalliope]

Regular Halls of Origination. Rollin' on my shammy with bf's shammy and a mutual mage friend. We run through three tanks during the run. One dropped upon joining, the next made it through the first two bosses, then bailed. The third, though, is why I am posting. Gnome warrior. He wasn't taking a lot of damage, but he did strange things, like running up to the camel boss without camels. Sure, they're not needed, but they make life easier and fun. And they're camels. On Isiset, he didn't pick up the adds when she split, which chewed through my mana and I finished the fight on fumes. He then started giving our dps warrior crap for being really low (which he was, about 4k) and bragged that he'd go dps on the shadow boss to show some REAL dps. This would have been relatively okay, but he didn't pick up the adds that spawned, which then proceeded to eat my face. Our mage buddy Ring of Frosted to save me, but the boss decided to do his green orb AoE and a couple of us dropped like rocks. He still died, since Mr. Macho Tank was 10k dps (my buddies pulled 8k, and these are their alts), but it was all very unnecessary. We got fed up on the healing boss, cause he wasn't tanking those adds either and was instead complaining that dps should kill them. I said something about them being easier to kill when they're tanked, since they were on me. He gave me attitude back and told me to blame the dps for not dpsing hard enough.

Allow me to break here and say that if crap is attacking the healer, it's almost ALWAYS the tank's fault. Don't be like this tank. >_<

I'm glossing over him and the other warrior standing in all sorts of extra damage junk on trash, since it only served to annoy me rather than cause deaths. In hindsight, every single pull with this guy was a strain. Leading up to the fire boss, he decided to just tank everything, rather than take advantage of the double shaman binds. He also failed at shockwaving the adds, which meant they spawned more of themselves. When called out on this, he said that was the first intelligent point we'd made. Amusingly, he did not choose to dps on the fire boss. Happily, no one died, which proved (at least to me) that I am not a terrible healer on my shammy. I just need more gear.

Clearly, this tank was a prime spec dps warrior who was only tanking for the fast queue. What was strange, though, was that he has some epics (vendor and PvP) and mostly 346 heroic gear - in his tanking set. I didn't get to look at his dps gear, but assuming that's his better set, 10k is low, especially for all that trash he was talking. I don't understand queuing for a NORMAL dungeon if you have that kind of heroic gear unless you're a terrible tank, trolling, or a combination of the two. This guy wouldn't last two pulls in a heroic with the threat issues he had.

Why bother wasting time posting this at all? This guy talked big and was very cocky. He's the type who will make other players feel bad about themselves, even though he's terrible himself. I don't want to see anyone here get hurt by jackasses like this one. They are out there and they are very good at passing themselves off as being better than they are. Even when confronted by good players, they steadfastly cling to their pompous act. They are out there. Don't listen to them.

[Samarachan]

Man im so glad there's a thread like this >:(

Queued for a normal, it's easier to get rep than hcs, then halfway thru the healer and tank (from the same damn guild) realise that it's a normal, and they both leave. Argh!

[Magli]

Ugh, I hate it when that happens. That happened to me a few times when I was gearing my DK; I'd queue for a normal dungeon because it had a drop I needed, only to lose half the party after the first boss when they realized they weren't in Heroic.

Good idea on queueing for normals, though. I'm mostly running instances for rep these days, and a fast normal (even with less rep per kill) beats a 2-hour heroic wipefest any day.

[Nubhorns]

I like the healers who join up thinking it's a Heroic, mercilessly berate the tank for his health and the DPS for their...uh, DPS, and then we get fed up and remind them that it's normal and they go "Oh, lol" and leave. :l

If we're lucky, they haven't hounded the tank enough to make them leave.

[Araela]

For the first time ever on my Hunter, I was kicked from a group last night.

It was heroic deadmines, and we had the following:

1) Pally tank
2) Ele Shammy (Tank's guildie)
3) Feral Kitty Druid (Same realm but different guild as tank and shammy)
4) Me on my Hunter)
5) Priest heals

I asked from the beginning if I could run with my ravager to level him and the group said they didn't care, so I did. We get through the first couple of bosses without any problems. Then we got to the mechanical boss, and they asked who knew how to do the reaper. I said that I knew how, but that I would prefer not to due to the fact that there was a hunter bug (don't know if it still exists or if it has been fixed) where it would break pets. They said that the Shammy would do it, so we went through and got to the boss, and we wiped because the guy wasn't pushing the adds off the side of the ramp, but rather was letting them go all the way up to the top of the ramp, where we were fighting.

Nobody said anything, and I waited for everyone else to run back (yay feign death). Then we wiped for a second time with adds up at the top of the ramp again. It was then I said, "You need to make sure that you push the adds off the ramp because their aoe will kill us, then we'll be good to go."

The Shammy replied, "RLY? I thought I was supposed to let them rape everyone."

The Pally also replied, "It's his second time doing the reaper, give him some slack!"

I replied, "I know - I'm not lecturing, I'm just trying to help."

The Pally said, "Well if no one else is willing to do the reaper."

I replied, "Usually you put melee in the reaper and have ranged on the boss, so really, (insert name of Druid here) should be doing it. And I'm sorry, I'm not going to break my pet over a heroic."

The Pally said, "Well I usually put the lowest dps in there, but that's just me."

I replied, "That would still be (insert name of Druid here)." and linked recount damage done for last fight. I was top of both dps and damage.

It was after that I got kicked.


I've only been kicked once before on a healing alt because she was undergeared, and I was about to voluntarily leave anyway. Perhaps I'm just being overly sensitive about this, but it seemed completely uncalled for. Luckily my husband was willing to get on his prot pally and insta queue with me so I could still get my valor points before I had to go to bed.

I don't remember the names of the pally or anyone to report them to WowJerks, or even if I would (I've never been to that site, have only heard about it through others). Was I out of line for not wanting to do the reaper and instead be ranged as normal and fight the boss, and get some exp for my pet and not break said pet if the glitch is still occurring? Regardless, it still seemed uncalled for to kick the top dps from the group just because your friend is new to the Reaper and can't seem to keep the adds down at the bottom of the ramp. It's not that I was unwilling to help, but I was unwilling to continue wiping over it, and I was unwilling to break my pet over a heroic. In general, I'm not a picky person. I just don't like wasting my time.

Anyone else have a similar kicking story? I remember seeing a thread the other day about someone being kicked for mentioning that they were a bit laggy. Any others?

[Loethlin]

Well, several times I got kicked because of loot. Back in WotLK.
On my lock and shaman over Abyssal Rune from ToC 5.
On my hunter from ToC 5 over Banner of Victory and from FoS H over Needle-Encrusted Scorpion.
Every time it was in the middle of the run without asking me if I even want the trinket, actually, which I didn't really cared for when I got those kicks lol.
EDIT: OH YEAH! And same thing happened to my full ICC Heroic mode gear Mage in PoS. That lock wanted a staff THAT much.

Oh, and once on my lock, right before the last boss, because I was "a noob with no gear" and the 3 assholes wanted to do a Ruby Void in Oculus. Had they look at recount they'd notice I'm topping DPS and actually CAN fly a dragon.

WoW is full of b!tches and people who get butthurt over nothing.
But I guess I get butthurt over it too, because my self esteem took a dive every time it happened to me.

[Royi]

what does breaking a pet mean? i'm confused about that aspect.

those seem like jerks though. jerks they is

[Samarachan]

Not kicked, but may I quote the most common thing said to us:

"Hunter, please control your pet."


Gee sorry Mr. Tank that my wolf can outaggro you without growl.

Sorry you got kicked sweety, atleast you got your valor And no, you're not too sensitive, they were jerks.

[Magnakilro]

hmmm idk what your referring to by any pet glitch with reaper. I've used the reaper in every DM run I've been in and my pet was fine.

[Araela]

what does breaking a pet mean? i'm confused about that aspect.

those seem like jerks though. jerks they is

I had read somewhere (and honestly don't remember if it was here or on WoW official forums) that there was a glitch for awhile where, if you entered the Reaper and you had a pet (specifically a hunter pet, but it was happening to locks/dks/mages at times too) that it would break your pet - making it uncontrollable and permanently set on passive, even if you dismissed and recalled them. It was also my understanding that if you dismissed before entering the reaper, it would then break whatever pet you next pulled out.

I don't know if this is true or not- but this is what I had read somewhere and I wasn't going to risk it.

[Royi]

yeah I wouldnt do that. Especially with your fair collection of Wolves.

I don't see my favorite Timber on your sig!?!

[Araela]

yeah I wouldnt do that. Especially with your fair collection of Wolves.

I don't see my favorite Timber on your sig!?!

Yeah I know! I'm out of stable space at the moment so the ones pictured are the ones I have. Actually just made a better (and smaller) sig on my break at my student teaching internship, but I have no access to photobucket or tinypic, so I'll have to upload it when I get home.

I love Timber and I am sorely tempted to go find him or Lupos and remove another pet-- but I'm not sure which one to get rid of. I love them all!!! >.<

[Sarayana]

I haven't heard of that bug, I'm sure it's something that would be fixed quickly if it did indeed occur. Either way, with the knowledge you have/had, I don't think it's an unreasonable request.

You know, I'm fairly certain you got kicked (that is, that a third person voted in favour) for one of two reasons: 1) you dragged the druid into it as lowest dps (nobody wants to hear that, and he was really staying out of it); 2) an argument was starting, and it was you against the tank, and people don't like losing their tank no matter how big a jerk he might be. People knee-jerk "yes" to vote kicks waaaay too often, simply because it feels like it'll be quicker to kick=>requeue=>keep going than to have party members bicker.

I've been kicked quite a few times. One time, I DCd and logged back in to still be in the group, but because they pulled Bronjham I died since I was outside during his soulstorm. Rather than letting me run back or come res me (I had DCd just down the ramp from his room) they opted to kick me. A few times, I got kicked over potential loot competition. And a couple of times, it's because I didn't take crap or defended someone that was being crapped on.

People can be real jerks, and it's easier to be a jerk with the anonymity of the web. It's just plain fact, and my biggest recommendation would be to shrug it off. Fortunately, there are still more friendly, nice folks out there, and you're not likely to run into these two again. Don't let them ruin your mood, evening, or game. They're really not worth it.

[Araela]

I haven't heard of that bug, I'm sure it's something that would be fixed quickly if it did indeed occur. Either way, with the knowledge you have/had, I don't think it's an unreasonable request.

You know, I'm fairly certain you got kicked (that is, that a third person voted in favour) for one of two reasons: 1) you dragged the druid into it as lowest dps (nobody wants to hear that, and he was really staying out of it); 2) an argument was starting, and it was you against the tank, and people don't like losing their tank no matter how big a jerk he might be. People knee-jerk "yes" to vote kicks waaaay too often, simply because it feels like it'll be quicker to kick=>requeue=>keep going than to have party members bicker.

The only reason I dragged the druid into it as lowest dps was because the tank was trying to imply that I was the lowest dps, when I was about 2k above the next person. Normally I don't point fingers, but I don't like being accused of being a poor dps, even if it was only insinuated.

I agree though- that I probably got kicked for the fact that the tank and I were beginning to argue. While I understand that his buddy was new to doing the reaper, I really was only trying to help. It seemed to me that since we had adds come all the way up the ramp both times, that that was the issue, which is why I mentioned it in the first place. I guess I just put them on the defensive about it, and the guy was probably already feeling crappy about the fact that the group wiped twice due to adds.

[Redith]

Haha I once got kicked for the most lame reason. I had just jumped into a PUG when I saw this.
"Eh I dont like hunters as DPS I say we kick Redith"
3 seconds later I was kicked.

[Araela]

Haha I once got kicked for the most lame reason. I had just jumped into a PUG when I saw this.
"Eh I dont like hunters as DPS I say we kick Redith"
3 seconds later I was kicked.

Hahahaha! You win - hands down!

[Lisaara]

Wow.....people are douches. You were in the right to say something. Melee ONLY go into the reaper.....not ranged. Ranged stay out unless all you have is ranged DPS(which is a very rare occurance).

Thats as bad as the tank telling me to kill the purple trogg when I cant if he's on my face, then claiming if I dont, he'll enrage the group, which he doesnt do that at all.

[Nightsights]

there are a lot of bads in pugs. they think they know everything. some of them are stubborn and won't take any advice.

the shammy obviously doesn't know what he's doing in the reaper.

you're right, melee is bad on this fight cuz they take so much dmg from the boss. the boss does a ton of aoe dmg, since pets mitigate like 90% of aoe dmg, our pets are the best tanks for this fight.

the first two weeks of Cata i would go BM and tank that boss with BurninHatred(terrorpene) and have the tank get in the reaper and do the adds. this way we kept all 3 dps on the boss, and it was much easier on the healer (especially when everyone was barely ilvl 330 at the time) and i would keep MD and mend pet up.

if the healer's mana is getting really low and it seems like it might be a wipe, i will turn growl on and start MD on my pet, if the tank goes down my pet can pick it up, and as long as i can avoid the special attacks i can finish off the boss.