New Wolf Skin.

[Sasrei]

Well guys you know the times were you wondered where skoll was and why he hasnt spawned yet? Well now you know! cute lil skoll babies..

[Snowy]

The other two colours of the Skoll skin were created at the same time as the original and have languished unused in the database ever since. That's what they do... create a few different versions of a skin for the devs to pick and choose what they want to use where. And it's great the devs are finding ways to get at least one of the two of them into the game finally, for people who might want them. You only have to look at the sheer volume of truly amazing work the art team have done (and are still doing) with MoP to appreciate that they're certainly not lazy. To me this expansion is by far their greatest achievement. I think they've really outdone themselves.

I know they were created at the same time as Skoll's actual skin, but the use of 'two other colours' there is what bothers me. Because, frankly, they're not other colours. They're just shades of the exact same thing. If they had made a lightning worg with different colours, I wouldn't be complaining, provided it actually looked nice. Each to their own and all, of course, but I can't help but see this as a lazy addition because they can't be bothered to make another colour or whatever they wanted to go for. All this wolf looks like is Skoll gone through the washer too many times, that's all. All I see this skin as really is a 'glitched' version of Skoll. Like how the 'zombie bear' to me is just what Arcturis would look like if he glitched out and somehow became non-spectral. They don't look... right. Not just that, but Skoll was made to match with the whole Norse mythology theme in the Storm Peaks. Adding a re-colour (or should I say re-shade?) to an Asian themed environment just feels wrong to me.

[Ziarre]

If it's a different shade of blue, technically that's still a different color. I wouldn't say a Sapphire Blue Mustang is the same color as a Sky Blue (or whatever they call it, all I know is it's pretty) Mini-Cooper, for example.

[Kyria]

I'm so excited about this skin! <3 I'd prefer it if it was a common spirit beast rather than a wolf, because I've always thought we should have one, but I'll take it however I can get it. Personally, I vastly prefer the grey lightning worg skin to the dark blue one, and I'll undoubtedly be snapping one of these up on one of my hunters ASAP come live. Too, too gorgeous.

[Meggers]

I am still incredibly happy at the prospect of an army of lightning wolves. hurr hurr <3

[Helsinki]

I finally bonded with Skoll on my latest hunter but to be honest, I LOVE this variation! I am a big fan of muted blue-grey colors and this looks fantastic. I am really pleased with all the new stuff coming in MoP. Wain is right, they really have outdone themselves. Initially I had decided I wouldn't play MoP and now I am REALLY excited to play it, after seeing all the great new stuff (as well as the older stuff we get to finally have!!).

[Kerafirewing]

Okay. This is not going to be pretty so cover your ears and eyes. I HATE this idea. Too many of our BM only tames are getting GIVEN to all hunters to just run around with. The Grimtotem was a GLITCH and should have already been pulled from the game and erased. If you want the look, get Karoma. If you want Skoll's look, get Skoll. Do the waiting game like the rest of us and fight for the tame. I picked BM because I WANTED TO BE BM. If you want the exotic looking pets, get the BM spec. I don't use any other spec and am getting VERY VERY tired of getting ripped off, treated like a freak in-game, and feeling like a run of the mill character. Hunters are supposed to be a different breed of character. And BM hunters are supposed to be all about the pets so we get the special pets. Yet how are they special now? I thought Blizz wanted pet choice to be special and mean something. When I walk around with Skoll, Karoma, Jadefang, Loque, or any other exotic it says that I put the work into finding that spawn up and getting it before anyone else could and only * I * can have it because I'm BM spec. THAT is what makes them special. Yet now just any hunter at the given level can have my pet's skin? (Or close enough as I also hate the reskin crap. Original or don't try it.) Blizzard said that the reskins on mounts is something they want to get rid of. So to get rid of it, they just move that notion to hunter pets instead since no one will notice and pets are a dime a dozen? Bullcrap. I have given blood, sweat and tears (LITERALLY) to my main hunter. I've gone through Hell and Purgatory with her since creation on the day I started playing the TRIAL of WoW.

Now let me be fair, I love the stuff Blizz has done with the hunters in general for cata and a couple of things I see for Mists. Yet to slap us in the face like this is just an insult. I'm seriously starting to question the Mists expansion now. I thought it was going to be fun yet at this rate I would want to drag every hunter I saw with these rip offs into an arena style area and camp their corpses and figure out a way to skin the pets and put them out of their misery.

*smoke coming out of my ears now so need to stop before I really try to find a way to Blizz HQ to dress down somebody*

[Crotalus Horridus]

Okay. This is not going to be pretty so cover your ears and eyes. I HATE this idea. Too many of our BM only tames are getting GIVEN to all hunters to just run around with. The Grimtotem was a GLITCH and should have already been pulled from the game and erased. If you want the look, get Karoma. If you want Skoll's look, get Skoll. Do the waiting game like the rest of us and fight for the tame. I picked BM because I WANTED TO BE BM. If you want the exotic looking pets, get the BM spec. I don't use any other spec and am getting VERY VERY tired of getting ripped off, treated like a freak in-game, and feeling like a run of the mill character. Hunters are supposed to be a different breed of character. And BM hunters are supposed to be all about the pets so we get the special pets. Yet how are they special now? I thought Blizz wanted pet choice to be special and mean something. When I walk around with Skoll, Karoma, Jadefang, Loque, or any other exotic it says that I put the work into finding that spawn up and getting it before anyone else could and only * I * can have it because I'm BM spec. THAT is what makes them special. Yet now just any hunter at the given level can have my pet's skin? (Or close enough as I also hate the reskin crap. Original or don't try it.) Blizzard said that the reskins on mounts is something they want to get rid of. So to get rid of it, they just move that notion to hunter pets instead since no one will notice and pets are a dime a dozen? Bullcrap. I have given blood, sweat and tears (LITERALLY) to my main hunter. I've gone through Hell and Purgatory with her since creation on the day I started playing the TRIAL of WoW.

Now let me be fair, I love the stuff Blizz has done with the hunters in general for cata and a couple of things I see for Mists. Yet to slap us in the face like this is just an insult. I'm seriously starting to question the Mists expansion now. I thought it was going to be fun yet at this rate I would want to drag every hunter I saw with these rip offs into an arena style area and camp their corpses and figure out a way to skin the pets and put them out of their misery.

*smoke coming out of my ears now so need to stop before I really try to find a way to Blizz HQ to dress down somebody*

Woo! That's one big quote!

Anyways, lemme get this straight... you dislike this pet, because you think it uses the same skin as Skoll, even thought it doesn't. And, from an earlier post, you can see there's an obvious difference between the two. And, that if this skin was in the final version of the game, Skoll would lose ALL of his specialness and become just a common ol' pet, yes? To me, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

[Snowy]

Okay. This is not going to be pretty so cover your ears and eyes. I HATE this idea. Too many of our BM only tames are getting GIVEN to all hunters to just run around with. The Grimtotem was a GLITCH and should have already been pulled from the game and erased. If you want the look, get Karoma. If you want Skoll's look, get Skoll. Do the waiting game like the rest of us and fight for the tame. I picked BM because I WANTED TO BE BM. If you want the exotic looking pets, get the BM spec. I don't use any other spec and am getting VERY VERY tired of getting ripped off, treated like a freak in-game, and feeling like a run of the mill character. Hunters are supposed to be a different breed of character. And BM hunters are supposed to be all about the pets so we get the special pets. Yet how are they special now? I thought Blizz wanted pet choice to be special and mean something. When I walk around with Skoll, Karoma, Jadefang, Loque, or any other exotic it says that I put the work into finding that spawn up and getting it before anyone else could and only * I * can have it because I'm BM spec. THAT is what makes them special. Yet now just any hunter at the given level can have my pet's skin? (Or close enough as I also hate the reskin crap. Original or don't try it.) Blizzard said that the reskins on mounts is something they want to get rid of. So to get rid of it, they just move that notion to hunter pets instead since no one will notice and pets are a dime a dozen? Bullcrap. I have given blood, sweat and tears (LITERALLY) to my main hunter. I've gone through Hell and Purgatory with her since creation on the day I started playing the TRIAL of WoW.

Now let me be fair, I love the stuff Blizz has done with the hunters in general for cata and a couple of things I see for Mists. Yet to slap us in the face like this is just an insult. I'm seriously starting to question the Mists expansion now. I thought it was going to be fun yet at this rate I would want to drag every hunter I saw with these rip offs into an arena style area and camp their corpses and figure out a way to skin the pets and put them out of their misery.

*smoke coming out of my ears now so need to stop before I really try to find a way to Blizz HQ to dress down somebody*

In some aspects I agree with this, in others not so much. If you read my previous posts you'll see why. I don't like the lazy reskin either and I don't like how much credit people are giving it, claiming it to be the best thing ever. It's people like this that's why Blizzard gives us lazy reskins so often now, because these people just appear to be happy with everything. Yes, I'm not fucking blind, I can see the difference between Skoll's skin and the new one. But to call it a reskin is a nice way to put it, it's more like a reshade. It's Skoll gone through the tumble dryer too many times. It's ugly, it's lazy and it *does* make Skoll seem so much less special now. Quit it with the 'Oh it's not special anymore cause it's got something that looks similar, oh you mustn't love your pets very much' bullshit. The reason unique rare spawns exist is TO BE SPECIAL. So a common 'reshade' of Skoll is taking the piss, it really is. Be happy with it all you like, I'll continue actually looking forward to the non-lazy side of the game. (Don't worry Kera, none of that rant was directed at you, this was meant to be me agreeing with your post/having a rant.)

However, you said that the point of BM was to have the 'special' pets. I disagree there because there are also unique rare spawns for other specs and there always has been. Terrorpene is a good example. I don't believe BM should get the 'special' pets all the time, however I do believe that spirit beasts should remain a rare-spawn only species. I know that the tumble dryer-Skoll isn't a spirit beast nor is it a unique and rare spawn, so for that reason I can almost ignore it. I can't quite figure out in my mind whether or not that's more or less of an insult. (Considering that the last time Gondria was recoloured and made into two new unique rare spirit beasts I had no problem with it because the white and blue shades looked nice.) Also, you said that having a pet like Skoll or Loque'nahak out and about with you means that you can show off your hard work into finding them? It is true, but remember that a lot of people put no effort in and found them out of the blue. They still go around showing them off because they got lucky. And, sorry to be mean about it here but it's true, no one actually cares what pets you do or don't have. On the odd occasion you will bump into the odd person who is curious about your collection, but in my own experience they always tend to be other hunters who are just as eager to show off their own pets and compare them to yours. That's all WoW is now, a bragging game.

PS. (This 'rant' makes it seem like it's the end of the world for me. Don't worry, it's not. I'm just angry about how much credit this reshade is getting. If it stays in the game, I won't care, I just won't look at it. I'm not an idiot - I won't quit WoW over something like this. Just before you guys think that I'm dying inside or something. Just wanted to clear that up.)

[Crotalus Horridus]

It appears this thread is causing quite a bit of conflict (Unintentional of course). Anybody think I should just ask Wain to lock it, or keep it as is and let the little war continue?

[Snowy]

I'm not trying to start a war, I'm trying to give my opinion. Isn't that what these threads are for? I wasn't going against anyone specifically. All I did was have a rant and agree with Kera's post.

[Crotalus Horridus]

I'm not trying to start a war, I'm trying to give my opinion. Isn't that what these threads are for? I wasn't going against anyone specifically. All I did was have a rant and agree with Kera's post.

I know you're not trying to start a war and I know you're trying to give your opinion. There has just been a conflict between multiple opinions like ''It will make Skoll a common pet'' and ''This pet is a brand new skin'' and all that mess. The thread was originally about a new skin, not if it will make Skoll un-unique or not.'

EDIT: The whole conflict was probably inevitable and would happen even with the change.

[GormanGhaste]

Ooo, someone said "slap in the face"!
*takes a drink of Dwarven Stout*

[Yoruko]

I don't like the lazy reskin either and I don't like how much credit people are giving it, claiming it to be the best thing ever.
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It's ugly, it's lazy and it *does* make Skoll seem so much less special now.

Some people prefer muted colours over the bright blue one that Skoll is. To them this might be the best thing ever because they kept looking at the unused lightning worg colours and hoping that they would be able to tame them instead of "ugly Skoll who is too bright and overly saturated." (I love Skoll as he is, by the way, but the aforementioned is also a legit opinion to have.)

It's not really even an actual re-skin because they are just putting in a Skoll skin variant that has been unused until now. They didn't create this skin colour recently just for this particular mob but are using resources that are readily available. It's not being lazy.. it's just using materials that the art department has put out previously.

I wouldn't call this the single most amazing thing we might be getting in MoP but I am happy that they are offering more variation to those who would like it better than what is the only choice available to them right now. I know I will tame this skin if and once I can because it will fit my hunter better and I will be happy to do so.

[Azunara]

Okay. This is not going to be pretty so cover your ears and eyes. I HATE this idea. Too many of our BM only tames are getting GIVEN to all hunters to just run around with. The Grimtotem was a GLITCH and should have already been pulled from the game and erased. If you want the look, get Karoma.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. First of all, all I got out of this was, "BAAAAAAW I HAVE TO SHARE MY SHINIES NOOOOOOO". So. Frikking. What. Dear God, we can't let other people enjoy a really nice looking skin and still be their favorite class! That's not nice, that's unfair, that's--wait. Do you hear that? That's the sound of people being hypocritical. How many times have hunters said they'd rather play BM because they like the mechanics? Why can't a Surv hunter play because they like the mechanics and still get a nice looking skin?

To the latter part of that quote, the hydras/slimes/ghost crocs were a glitch and should be pulled from the game. I assume you agree with this opinion then? What about the glitch pets? They should be pulled from the game. And even yaks and mushans. They were accidents and never intended. They should never be tamable too, right? Likewise with porcupines and silkworms?

I picked BM because I WANTED TO BE BM. If you want the exotic looking pets, get the BM spec.

AKA "If you don't like BM, it sucks to be you. NO SHINY NICE THINGS FOR YOU."

I don't use any other spec and am getting VERY VERY tired of getting ripped off, treated like a freak in-game, and feeling like a run of the mill character. Hunters are supposed to be a different breed of character.

You're not being ripped off. How the hell are you being treated like a "freak" and you're supposed to be a run of the mill character. If you were being ripped off, the implication is you were expecting a service and instead got less than expected. Blizz doesn't have to do absolute jack for hunters. They thought they were doing a nice thing by allowing hunters to get more skins. They thought they were being nice by letting other specs enjoy some of the nice things BMs get. BUT NO.

Also, hunters are not a "different breed of character". What the hell is that supposed to even mean? Can my druid be a different breed of character too? What about my mage? That makes no sense in context and seems to be completely and utterly irrelevant.

And BM hunters are supposed to be all about the pets so we get the special pets. Yet how are they special now? I thought Blizz wanted pet choice to be special and mean something. When I walk around with Skoll, Karoma, Jadefang, Loque, or any other exotic it says that I put the work into finding that spawn up and getting it before anyone else could and only * I * can have it because I'm BM spec.

They were never special. Ever. You had the same exact Skoll as every other hunter picked up. It was shiny. It was special. Massive waves of players camped the hell out of it. It's like saying, "Ooooh, I'm special because I have the Warlock Class mount even though every warlock can get it!" or "Ohhh, I'm special because I have the Celestial Steed because I paid to get it."

No. Just no. You are not special. You never were special. Specialness and uniqueness is all in your head. Because in the grand scheme of things, not only does no one give a damn, but there are hundreds of other people who have the same pet you do.

Yet now just any hunter at the given level can have my pet's skin? (Or close enough as I also hate the reskin crap. Original or don't try it.) Blizzard said that the reskins on mounts is something they want to get rid of. So to get rid of it, they just move that notion to hunter pets instead since no one will notice and pets are a dime a dozen? Bullcrap. I have given blood, sweat and tears (LITERALLY) to my main hunter. I've gone through Hell and Purgatory with her since creation on the day I started playing the TRIAL of WoW.

I believe I've covered this already. "OH GOD NO I HAVE TO SHARE MY SHINIES NOOOOOOOO"

I'm glad you spent a lot of time to get these pets. But if you're giving blood, sweat and tears--literally, as you put it--then you are working far too much and looking far too much into this game. It's not supposed to be World of BM Huntercraft. It's one goddamn reskin given to all specs.

A SV hunter will never get a devilsaur. Or a corehound. Or a Qulin. They will never get Silithids. God forbid they get a muted shade of one pet.

Now let me be fair, I love the stuff Blizz has done with the hunters in general for cata and a couple of things I see for Mists. Yet to slap us in the face like this is just an insult. I'm seriously starting to question the Mists expansion now. I thought it was going to be fun yet at this rate I would want to drag every hunter I saw with these rip offs into an arena style area and camp their corpses and figure out a way to skin the pets and put them out of their misery.

It's attitudes like this why we can't have nice things. Blizzard has always thrown hunters bones. So many bones. So many, many bones. They have given hunters so many nice things. But god forbid one reskin and people like you turn into raving troll monsters who can't bear the thought of someone else having something nice. The latter part of your statement there is disturbing, sickening, and makes me wonder why the hell Blizzard even caters to hunters anymore.

[Sasrei]

Wow..this thread really is heating up. Everyone has their opinions and can share it as much as they like but when it starts an arguement that gets really heated and becomes lashing out at each other thats why most threads get locked. Its just a game..

What blizzard is doing is giving an option those non bm hunters who have been asking for a SB for a long time, but not essentially giving them a full spirit beast but a variation of an already created mob that just wasnt seen in game. So they arent skolls but a variation which still makes Skoll unique as really he is still the only vibrant blue saber worg with lightning. Aka there is no way you would confuse the two and think the other one is skoll. Considering most of the rares that were "unique" Jadefang, maddexx, etc are popping up in common mobs in Mop so im pretty glad its a variation and not exactly Skoll himsellf. I am actually fine with this, it means I can use Skoll for BM but when im in surv I can use this new wolf. Blizz has already given us a ton of new models so if they want to use an awesome version of my fave SB all the power to them. I am still hoping for zombie bear as a regular bear, for zombie bear is awesome I actually wouldnt mind BM being all about added bonuses from the pet (an added special ability), not just oo shiny exotic. But that could just be me

[Meggers]

I'm not trying to start a war, I'm trying to give my opinion. Isn't that what these threads are for? I wasn't going against anyone specifically. All I did was have a rant and agree with Kera's post.

No its your somewhat abrasive way of putting things(words/phrases chosen), not just you...but a lot of people.

If people found a better way to word things so it didn't come across so strongly we'd be better off.

[Rhapture]

Okay. This is not going to be pretty so cover your ears and eyes. I HATE this idea. Too many of our BM only tames are getting GIVEN to all hunters to just run around with. The Grimtotem was a GLITCH and should have already been pulled from the game and erased. If you want the look, get Karoma.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying here, but the patch when we could tame the grimtotem wolves (Jan 2008) was LONNNNNG before Karoma (Dec 2010) was available. I had always understood that they added Karoma to appease the many hunters that were asking for the model to be brought back. I know for fact that the grimtotem was incredibly hard to get as you had to get certain gear, use haste pots and heroism to get a fast enough tame.

I am not saying you do not have the right to be upset over the Skoll skin going common, but your argument is a bit unfair to throw Karoma in the mix. I know plenty of hunters that had gone through heck to get a grimtotem that were pissed when Karoma came out. Probably just as much as you are now about Skoll. Any way this thread is incredibly derailed at this point so a mod might want to lock this sucker down.

[Makoes]

Although these new wolves share a similar look to Skoll, they lack the same abilities as Skoll does, and act just like regulare wolves. I was surprised that they used a recolor of a spirit beast for a regular mob, but I also understand that this is a nice thing for people who do not play BM, that they still get a nice sparkely pet to use if they wish.

Skoll still retains his wonderfully dark blue fur, making him stand out much more from these muted colored wolves. I dont believe that there is much to really worry about with these wolves...People will most likely (as they have everytime something new pops up) rush out and tame them, we will see them EVERYWHERE for the first while, and then they will petter off and we will go back to the way things are, a few here and there, but no-longer everywhere.

Remember how it works with common mobs, if everyone has it, it's no longer unique and special, and people go back to their tried and true pets.


Dont get me wrong, I really understand where people are coming from with wanting Spirit beast and exotic skins to stay BM only, I understand that. I also think that all hunters deserve to have access to more sparkely pets, and that this method that Blizz has done is nice.

[Chimera]

My wee little input ^^

Blizz put just as much work making Skoll's two brothers as they did in making Skoll :3 They were all made at the same time and it just so happened to be the bright Blue color that made it in-game first. Artists should be allowed to show ALL their work when they desire it and have a means to show it to the world right? Why must we deny them that right and deny them what method they desire to showcase that piece of art?