The New Warchief Has Arrived!(MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!!!)

[cowmuflage]

Also, is Vol'jin going to rule from Orgrimmar or will the new seat of the Horde be in the Echo Isles? It could provide them with the excuse they need to spend the work completely revamping the Isles, (and also finish off the retaking of Gnomeregan for symmetry). They're obviously thinking towards the rehabilitation of Gilneas and cleansing of plagued Southshore, which also excites me.

The gobbos need a new city too. Theirs kinda blew up

[Chimera]

This is not my post, But this topic has come up on other forums and I felt this one really did help explain how and why she reacted as she did...

Quote Originally Posted by Jokubas View Post
Yeah, this part of the cutscene is the only thing that bugged me.

I can understand Jaina being upset after what happened to Theramore. Very upset, in fact. But, the reason the rest of the Horde is even there for her to tell Varian to dismantle is because they wanted Garrosh dead for atrocities like Theramore as well.

I think Blizzard forgot that she let her own father get killed because she realized the Horde were not bad people. They're still not. Garrosh was, and that was the whole point of this raid. I feel like Jaina got killed off in Theramore and Lady Macbeth is disguising herself as Jaina.

This is the whole point of her character change.
She's realized that was a completely nonsensical and naive perspective.
She's continually worked for peace between the factions and the Horde continuously makes matters worse.

Her attitude is because it ISNT JUST GARROSH.

It wasn't Garrosh who plagued Southshore and slaughtered the farmers and civilians of Hillsbrad farms. That was Horde.
It wasn't Garrosh who started the Warsong lumber camp and allowed it to continue to push at the Night Elven Borders, that was Thrall and the Orcs.
It wasn't Garrosh who authorized Gilneas to be plagued, or okay'd the use of the Valkyr in conquering Andorhal and slaughtering the farmers of the new western plaguelands, that was Sylvanas.
It wasn't Garrosh who created the plague and tested it against humans and dwarves to begin with, that was the Forsaken and Horde.

To pretend that Garrosh is somehow the source of all the crimes the Horde have committed is simply naive, she's realized that now. She doesn't ask Varian to slaughter the Horde, she says that this is the chance for him to forcibly disband the group that has caused Alliance suffering for decades.

Garrosh didn't walk away. He's being held in trial and likely will be guilty and sentenced to death.

As for Jaina, I don't really agree with the forum post. I think she's just 'snapped' mentally.

Both of these are very real possibilities, and potentially both are working in tandem to her new character. I just really wish Blizz would just stop using such huge big name lore characters to abuse and kill off and instead try to give storylines to ones who are just as important in potential and feats but haven't gotten much spotlight. I'd rather see them built up alongside the other big name characters before a decision is made to cut someones head off and screw it on backwards. If they keep going like they are, they're gonna run out of characters and then start pulling ones from the bottom straight to the top and then condemn them to death all within a single expansion! :0

[SpiritBinder]

For me Jania is borderline, she's snapped sure, but I think it's emotionally charged rather than mentally (as in I don’t she's going too loony, she’s just lost any love/tolerance)
I think she just has a grudge that in her eyes atm, cant not be fixed without the horde being dismantled.

[Chimera]

For me Jania is borderline, she's snapped sure, but I think it's emotionally charged rather than mentally (as in I don’t she's going too loony, she’s just lost any love/tolerance)
I think she just has a grudge that in her eyes atm, cant not be fixed without the horde being dismantled.

But ya know, with Blizz pulling the ropes, theres a good chance that'll change for the worse :/ :C

[Aeladrine]

MAKES NOISES
I'M SO PUMPED ABOUT THIS WOW OKAY YES GOOD
but what does this mean for pvp? and the game in general?
(also lol i got so many onyxia vibes from jaina ngl with the black flight having increasing importance again i am v, v wary)

[Lupis]

For me Jania is borderline, she's snapped sure, but I think it's emotionally charged rather than mentally (as in I don’t she's going too loony, she’s just lost any love/tolerance)
I think she just has a grudge that in her eyes atm, cant not be fixed without the horde being dismantled.

But ya know, with Blizz pulling the ropes, theres a good chance that'll change for the worse :/ :C

I can't even tell what Blizz is doing with their characters anymore, I'll be honest! I'd say that I expect Jaina to go down a dark path but then, look what they're doing with Garrosh - while he's facing judgement, there's also the chance he's going to get redemption. I didn't see that one coming in a million years. I suspect they might make Jaina start calming down now that Varian is more in control and the Horde has a better leader.

[Chimera]

I'm crying. CRYING! Tumblr is killing me. All I did was check out what people I'm following have posted oh so casually and then this appears.

[SpiritBinder]

Ok, thats pretty freaking funny

[cowmuflage]

For me Jania is borderline, she's snapped sure, but I think it's emotionally charged rather than mentally (as in I don’t she's going too loony, she’s just lost any love/tolerance)
I think she just has a grudge that in her eyes atm, cant not be fixed without the horde being dismantled.

But ya know, with Blizz pulling the ropes, theres a good chance that'll change for the worse :/ :C

I can't even tell what Blizz is doing with their characters anymore, I'll be honest! I'd say that I expect Jaina to go down a dark path but then, look what they're doing with Garrosh - while he's facing judgement, there's also the chance he's going to get redemption. I didn't see that one coming in a million years. I suspect they might make Jaina start calming down now that Varian is more in control and the Horde has a better leader.

Yeah I would of put money on them killing him then and there. I'm glad they did not go down that route. Feels less overused if you get what I'm saying.

[Chimera]

For me Jania is borderline, she's snapped sure, but I think it's emotionally charged rather than mentally (as in I don’t she's going too loony, she’s just lost any love/tolerance)
I think she just has a grudge that in her eyes atm, cant not be fixed without the horde being dismantled.

But ya know, with Blizz pulling the ropes, theres a good chance that'll change for the worse :/ :C

I can't even tell what Blizz is doing with their characters anymore, I'll be honest! I'd say that I expect Jaina to go down a dark path but then, look what they're doing with Garrosh - while he's facing judgement, there's also the chance he's going to get redemption. I didn't see that one coming in a million years. I suspect they might make Jaina start calming down now that Varian is more in control and the Horde has a better leader.

True true, I honestly completely forgot about Garrosh in this discussion haha Maybe they've taken to heart the very thought process I and a bazillion other people are probably thinking and are doing something different for a change to break from what has become the norm all these years!

[Makoes]

YES!!!! A THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!!
VOL'JIN!!!!! The one I wanted to be the new Warchief!!! Soooo fucking HAPPY right now!!!!!!

[Wain]

A clip where Thrall had succeeded in killing Garrosh would have been way funnier. People screaming and ewwwwing, Royal Guards vomiting in their helmets, Jaina screaming because she has Garrosh in her hair....

[Castile]

For me Jania is borderline, she's snapped sure, but I think it's emotionally charged rather than mentally (as in I don’t she's going too loony, she’s just lost any love/tolerance)
I think she just has a grudge that in her eyes atm, cant not be fixed without the horde being dismantled.

Well said SB. She has kinda had the rose tinted veil of the horde lifted and for once see's what Varian and the rest of the Alliance have seen since well Warcraft! She even cries out that she was wrong about her father and that she regrets what happened with that.

I think mostly people are upset cause change is a scary thing, especially with a character as long standing as Jaina. Since Varian has calmed his farm abit we need an advocate for the war in warcraft on the alliance side, Jaina just happens to be it

[Slapperfish]

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[Lupis]

A clip where Thrall had succeeded in killing Garrosh would have been way funnier. People screaming and ewwwwing, Royal Guards vomiting in their helmets, Jaina screaming because she has Garrosh in her hair....

omfg
help
just
"THERE'S GARROSH IN MY HAIR"

[cowmuflage]

I think mostly people are upset cause change is a scary thing, especially with a character as long standing as Jaina. Since Varian has calmed his farm abit we need an advocate for the war in warcraft on the alliance side, Jaina just happens to be it

I just think she's not as good a character now as she was before MOP. I think she's a pretty crap character now

[Lisaara]

I'm crying. CRYING! Tumblr is killing me. All I did was check out what people I'm following have posted oh so casually and then this appears.

OMG! My sides!!!!!!!

[cowmuflage]

Man he does have a good face for a Sith

[Castile]

I think mostly people are upset cause change is a scary thing, especially with a character as long standing as Jaina. Since Varian has calmed his farm abit we need an advocate for the war in warcraft on the alliance side, Jaina just happens to be it

I just think she's not as good a character now as she was before MOP. I think she's a pretty crap character now

Going to have to agree to disagree then. I think before theramore's fall she was a crap character. Her secret meetings with thrall yet she was the last stronghold in Kalimandor? Now atleast she has some guts to her and the events that have happened to her and the Kirin Tor have shaped her character for the better and her actions now actually make sense. Before it was like "yeah they do this terrible stuff to us but this guys cool so just chill" and that to me didn't make much sense.

As to garrosh's fate...let Anduin do the honors since Garrosh decided he was weak and tried to smoosh him with the bell. Whos weak now biatch!

[Lisaara]

I think mostly people are upset cause change is a scary thing, especially with a character as long standing as Jaina. Since Varian has calmed his farm abit we need an advocate for the war in warcraft on the alliance side, Jaina just happens to be it

I just think she's not as good a character now as she was before MOP. I think she's a pretty crap character now

Going to have to agree to disagree then. I think before theramore's fall she was a crap character. Her secret meetings with thrall yet she was the last stronghold in Kalimandor? Now atleast she has some guts to her and the events that have happened to her and the Kirin Tor have shaped her character for the better and her actions now actually make sense. Before it was like "yeah they do this terrible stuff to us but this guys cool so just chill" and that to me didn't make much sense.

As to garrosh's fate...let Anduin do the honors since Garrosh decided he was weak and tried to smoosh him with the bell. Whos weak now biatch!

All my yes. *highfive*