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[Anansi]

I haven't read this whole thread, but on the topic of Cenarius returning, I think it's just fine. As Quintus Horatius Flaccus (better known as the poet Horace) said "You may drive out nature with a pitchfork, but she will always return" and Cenarius is the very embodiment of nature, and you can't kill nature. You can cut it down, burn it, poison it but it will always grow back somehow and somewhere.

Roots can go very deep and when you're the god of nature, those roots are not necessarily bound solely to the earth in which they grow.

[Galahandra]

Is that 'god of nature' not taken up ny Alexstrazsa and Ysera?

[Nevar]

I haven't read this whole thread, but on the topic of Cenarius returning, I think it's just fine. As Quintus Horatius Flaccus (better known as the poet Horace) said "You may drive out nature with a pitchfork, but she will always return" and Cenarius is the very embodiment of nature, and you can't kill nature. You can cut it down, burn it, poison it but it will always grow back somehow and somewhere.

Roots can go very deep and when you're the god of nature, those roots are not necessarily bound solely to the earth in which they grow.

Finally someone explains it the right way Cenarius is VERY much a god.

[Kaleos]

Is it C'thun coming back though? I still can't find where they say that the Old God in the Highlands is C'thun. Also considering they're pretty much revamping and revisiting the old world it seems like a good place to bring them back if they wanted too. Wouldn't make sense to bring these figures back in some other expansion. Personally it may seem like too much but if they can space it out and not cram it all into a few zones it just might play out well in the end.

[Galahandra]

C'thun is merged with Cho'gall (or however you spell it), it all happened in the comics

[Kaleos]

C'thun is merged with Cho'gall (or however you spell it), it all happened in the comics

Oohhh well then, I really need to find the comics. I hate how they put so much into them and not the game anymore.

[Saturo]

C'thun is merged with Cho'gall (or however you spell it), it all happened in the comics :)

Actually, he is just resurrected by Cho'Gall, but his influence spreads over to him, and makes him look an awful lot like him. They're still separate entities.

I haven't read this whole thread, but on the topic of Cenarius returning, I think it's just fine. As Quintus Horatius Flaccus (better known as the poet Horace) said "You may drive out nature with a pitchfork, but she will always return" and Cenarius is the very embodiment of nature, and you can't kill nature. You can cut it down, burn it, poison it but it will always grow back somehow and somewhere.

Roots can go very deep and when you're the god of nature, those roots are not necessarily bound solely to the earth in which they grow.

Finally someone explains it the right way :lol: Cenarius is VERY much a god.

, No he isn't, he's a DEMIgod, that is, a mix of mortal and god. The whole "he's a god, you can't kill him!" doesn't work, because he isn't! His spirit might live on, and might be returned to his body, but he's not a god.

[Kaleos]

Well even as a Demigod, in WoW lore, their Demigods are considered Eternals and are immortal though not all immortals are not Eternals.

[Saturo]

Even then, an eternal isn't a god. Just because you're immortal doesn't make you a god.

[Kaleos]

Ok fair enough, he isn't a God. Though he still is revered as one by many and is an immortal being.

[Saturo]

That I can agree with. It's just all the people saying that he's a god that kind of got to me. Immortal and revered, yes, but no god.

[Galahandra]

C'thun is merged with Cho'gall (or however you spell it), it all happened in the comics

Actually, he is just resurrected by Cho'Gall, but his influence spreads over to him, and makes him look an awful lot like him. They're still separate entities.

Well, knew it was something like that, I got very quickly tired of that storyline in the comics, and is why I don't read the WoW comics anymore

[Moonlost]

Is that 'god of nature' not taken up ny Alexstrazsa and Ysera?

Mmmm, the way I interpereted the dragon aspects, they're more guardians and overseers than gods. They watch over nature, taking action when things go awry and the balance of things get upset, but not really controlling nature per-say.

[Karathyriel]

Strictly speaking, Azeroth only has immortals then.

How many times have you ran the way graveyard -> corpse?
How many times have you been ressurected?
How many times did the spirit healer return your life?

Then why shouldn't a dragon or demigod come back?

Even rabbits respawn all the time!

Just my

[Saturo]

Well, Kara, in the lore, resurrection is hard and time consuming, not just a five second cast that costs 16% of your mana... That's just for gameplay reasons.

[Palladiamorsdeus]

Yeah, Avianna is back too. And Goldrinn. I'm trying to remember if I encountered any other spectral thingies on Mount Hyjal....

[Saturo]

*Sigh*
Why do they have to do this?

[Bulletdance]

Its like movies Saturo....they're making a smurfs movie. That's when you know people have run out of ideas... They should have died in the 80's. Its easier for blizz to resurrect old skins, lore, chars, and so on than it is to make new ones. Pure lazy,but I'm ok with it since it'll be reallly awesome to play beside some of those big lore figures.

[Saturo]

Its like movies Saturo....they're making a smurfs movie. That's when you know people have run out of ideas... They should have died in the 80's. Its easier for blizz to resurrect old skins, lore, chars, and so on than it is to make new ones. Pure lazy,but I'm ok with it since it'll be reallly awesome to play beside some of those big lore figures.

True, that's pretty much it. You consider it awesome to play along them, but I just don't... So much lore that they have slaughtered just to bring back the old characters. It's annoying, to me, and I know I won't enjoy doing the quests alongside them, because I know of the horrible rewriting they had to do to make it so.

[Anansi]

Well, Kara, in the lore, resurrection is hard and time consuming, not just a five second cast that costs 16% of your mana... That's just for gameplay reasons.

It seems that your line between static lore and gameplay reasons is fairly mutable then. Where then is the difference between bringing in lore characters for the sake of a narrative or quest chain and gameplay for the sake of having an interesting, nostalgic or just fun experience or challenge for the players? WoW is a game first, it happens to have a great fiction behind it, but it is a game. If you want to get picky about lore characters and death, how do you justify the repeated killings of the same lore characters time and time and time again just to get their loot?

Everything happens for gameplay reasons.

As for Cenarius, nitpicking between the term god and demigod is just playing semantics in an attempt to prop up your side of the argument. Whichever he may be (technically yes, a demigod, but the most powerful of the demigods) he is a manifestation of nature and his physical death was only an injury to that form, his spirit lives on and heals and it has generally been believed that once his spirit is healed he will return. Which is now happening.

And my comment about driving nature out but never killing it holds completely true in this case. God or demigod is irrelevant, he is a personification of nature and thus can only be wounded but never destroyed.