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She's right. They were very much madly in love despite in-game doesnt show it as such.

Jessibelle wrote:Sylvannas has always been on the slippery slope. Read her lore.

I have read her lore, thank you.

She used to have antihero cred. Even if one argues that she still has it, she's on the verge of losing it.

Umbriel of Halaa wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:Sylvannas has always been on the slippery slope. Read her lore.

I have read her lore, thank you.

She used to have antihero cred. Even if one argues that she still has it, she's on the verge of losing it.

I don't think she is presonally. It can be seen eather way the verge of losing it that is.

Umbriel of Halaa wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:Sylvannas has always been on the slippery slope. Read her lore.

I have read her lore, thank you.

She used to have antihero cred. Even if one argues that she still has it, she's on the verge of losing it.

She's never had antihero cred if you've played her campaign. All she wanted was to kill Arthas then kill herself(proven and backed up by WC and her short story). Only reason she didnt was cause of the vyrkul.

But eh...guess some wanna view her through rose tinted glasses.

Jessibelle wrote:
She's never had antihero cred if you've played her campaign. All she wanted was to kill Arthas then kill herself(proven and backed up by WC and her short story). Only reason she didnt was cause of the vyrkul.

But eh...guess some wanna view her through rose tinted glasses.

That still can be called anti heroism. She's mearly doing it for her own ends unlike a hero who would do it for everyone.

Jessibelle wrote:But eh...guess some wanna view her through rose tinted glasses.

Ummm...I don't like Sylvanas and never have.

But until fairly recently, she was at least something of a...well, not a sympathetic character, but certainly a tragic one and more understandable. Now? Killing her for purples is looking pretty much inevitable. She's somehow lost any complexity that she had before.

Personally I think shes one of the better leader characters in WoW XD I don't think it helps that the leaders of both the alliance and the horde are total racest headstrong "act before thinking" dickheads They both are very similar.

cowmuflage wrote:Personally I think shes one of the better leader characters in WoW XD I don't think it helps that the leaders of both the alliance and the horde are total racest headstrong "act before thinking" dickheads They both are very similar.

I think Varian's marginally better than Garrosh; at least he's got an excuse for having such a rage-on. (Although raging specifically about having been a gladiator, rather than—for example—the way that his father died, or the way that Thrall was apparently not paying attention to Undercity? That seems a bit "off.")

Neither of them, however, seem to have sunk into "for the evulz" territory yet. And if Sylvanas isn't there, she's pretty damn close.

Umbriel of Halaa wrote:

cowmuflage wrote:Personally I think shes one of the better leader characters in WoW XD I don't think it helps that the leaders of both the alliance and the horde are total racest headstrong "act before thinking" dickheads They both are very similar.

I think Varian's marginally better than Garrosh; at least he's got an excuse for having such a rage-on. (Although raging specifically about having been a gladiator, rather than—for example—the way that his father died, or the way that Thrall was apparently not paying attention to Undercity? That seems a bit "off.")

Neither of them, however, seem to have sunk into "for the evulz" territory yet. And if Sylvanas isn't there, she's pretty damn close.

She can allways blame it on that time of the month Don't think any of the male leaders whould question that XD and all the horde ones are male apart from her XD I think all 3 of them could go that route they all have reasons. Proberly would not be good storytelling tho.

cowmuflage wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:
She's never had antihero cred if you've played her campaign. All she wanted was to kill Arthas then kill herself(proven and backed up by WC and her short story). Only reason she didnt was cause of the vyrkul.

But eh...guess some wanna view her through rose tinted glasses.

That still can be called anti heroism. She's mearly doing it for her own ends unlike a hero who would do it for everyone.

That's not antiheroism really. An example of that would be Venom from the Spiderman series. He's an anti hero. Why? He kills bad guys that break the law compared to a hero like Spiderman who doesn't kill bad guys.

Sylvannas just kills anyone that stands in her way and she seeks revenge against Arthas. Nothing more. It wasnt even complex, just emotional and cold at best.

and yeah, Varian has proven to be a lot better than Garrosh(and even kicked his ass....twice, if I recall.).

Jessibelle wrote:

cowmuflage wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:
She's never had antihero cred if you've played her campaign. All she wanted was to kill Arthas then kill herself(proven and backed up by WC and her short story). Only reason she didnt was cause of the vyrkul.

But eh...guess some wanna view her through rose tinted glasses.

That still can be called anti heroism. She's mearly doing it for her own ends unlike a hero who would do it for everyone.

That's not antiheroism really. An example of that would be Venom from the Spiderman series. He's an anti hero. Why? He kills bad guys that break the law compared to a hero like Spiderman who doesn't kill bad guys.

Sylvannas just kills anyone that stands in her way and she seeks revenge against Arthas. Nothing more. It wasnt even complex, just emotional and cold at best.

and yeah, Varian has proven to be a lot better than Garrosh(and even kicked his ass....twice, if I recall.).

I think you're a little confused on what antiheroism actually is...
"an·ti·he·roes also an·ti-he·roes
A main character in a dramatic or narrative work who is characterized by a lack of traditional heroic qualities, such as idealism or courage.
a protagonist / main character in a narrative work lacking in heroic qualities.
A protagonist who exhibits unheroic characteristics."

All that considered, I definitely would classify Sylvanas as an antihero. Whether or not she did it for selfish reasons, she has done heroic deeds. She freed the Forsaken, led them to revenge on their captor, and is now keeping their race going by the Val'kyr. Along with that, she has antihero qualities such as greed, selfishness, violent tendencies, etc.

Her current motives are really questionable, since she does seem to be getting increasingly evil, but there was at least a point where she would be considered an antihero. It's not unlikely for antiheroes to turn evil, or for evil characters to turn into antiheroes, anyways.

Zuilu has it right she fits the role of a anit hero perfectly. Venoms a BASIC anit hero seeing as he's more hero than anti.

And Varian only slightly better he's still a head strong racest dickhead.

I still don't consider her an antihero of any sort because she didn't do anything heroic or for the good of anyone but herself. She freed the Forsaken but only to use them as pawns(making her no better than Arthas, truthfully).

Maybe my view of her is a little more jaded cause I've never liked her and take much joy in slaughtering her. Venom made a better antihero.

She's still a anit-hero as freeing the Forsaken is still something heroic even if she did it for her own ends.

Doing it for herself is the point of being an antihero, Jessi. xD
She did something heroic, BUT she did it out of selfishness--which is something that a hero wouldn't do. An antihero.

Zuilu wrote:Doing it for herself is the point of being an antihero, Jessi. xD
She did something heroic, BUT she did it out of selfishness--which is something that a hero wouldn't do. An antihero.

Eh, like I said, my view on her may be a bit on the jaded side. I've never liked her, never will. XD

Jessibelle wrote:

Zuilu wrote:Doing it for herself is the point of being an antihero, Jessi. xD
She did something heroic, BUT she did it out of selfishness--which is something that a hero wouldn't do. An antihero.

Eh, like I said, my view on her may be a bit on the jaded side. I've never liked her, never will. XD

I'm like that with Varian can't stand his poop face XD. Heck Garrosh is more standable to me

cowmuflage wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:

Zuilu wrote:Doing it for herself is the point of being an antihero, Jessi. xD
She did something heroic, BUT she did it out of selfishness--which is something that a hero wouldn't do. An antihero.

Eh, like I said, my view on her may be a bit on the jaded side. I've never liked her, never will. XD

I'm like that with Varian can't stand his poop face XD. Heck Garrosh is more standable to me

Hehe. I have a hard time deciding who I hate more....I think Garrosh is it. Though if Vol'jin ever becomes warchief, I'm goin horde babeh!

King Chin versus Garrosh Potatohead. Either way, we lose.

Actually, come to think of it... Neither of them do much directly this expansion in-game, do they? Garrosh mouths off at Vol'jin in a flashback, pops up late in Stonetalon to toss a guy off a mesa, threatens to kill your character in an Ashenvale chain, and leads the advance into the Twilight Highlands. Varian is perturbed to learn about the circumstance of his kidnapping in Dustwallow and helps you kill a Twilight Cultist that made its way right into his throne room. Do they do anything else?

If the developer promises about war flaring up in Pandaria will be true, I suppose we'll be seeing a lot more of them. But right now, it's all about the Earthen Ring, dragons, and Thrall's exploits. Let's hope that the two of them get more tolerable if they do get important again.

Lets not forget Garrosh destroyed the Shatterspear tribe by throwing them at the night elves....XD and in Wolfheart, Varian kicked Garrosh's ass again.