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From what I read from TuralX18 who has shared many images they had said the one with the brighter hair was a bad render they made which MMOwned then slapped its name on (http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae11 ... 380jpg.png). They had made a second better render which was this one: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8209/b ... ollcat.jpg

It gives me a little bit more hope that the Troll cats won't be so horribly garish and sinister with that contrast of bright colors. As it is in the second version I think the painted markings still look a bit out of place as though someone used MS Paint to add them on. -_- I hope they get some better tones and some good looking texture... trying some different color schemes wouldn't hurt either, blargh. o_O

Another angle: http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5821/trollcat.png
The eyebrows kind of creep me out. Eyebrow cats. I think that adds to the sinister clown look.

Those are just kinda creepy if you ask me. And I still don't get the whole troll druid thing. Why not give them warlocks and make orcs druids. It just makes better sense if you ask me. Whoever heard of a druid cannibal?

Ganondorf kitty.

Dewclaw wrote:Those are just kinda creepy if you ask me. And I still don't get the whole troll druid thing. Why not give them warlocks and make orcs druids. It just makes better sense if you ask me. Whoever heard of a druid cannibal?

Troll druids have always made perfect sense to me, with their animal loa and many Troll instances involving some that can turn into animals. I was ecstatic when I heard about them coming in Cataclysm since it's always a class I wanted for them.

Anyways, I'm still loving the cat forms. I dunno, the colours don't bother me at all, I really like how they look.

Hmm, take for example the one with teal hair. Teal mane, green skin, and orange markings. It looks like a bag of Skittles barfed on the cat. The light gray one with the dark mane is more visually pleasing to me. The white-maned and red-maned aren't too bad, either. But the teal-maned and yellow-maned just seem so oddly-colored. The colors just don't look right together. But that's just my opinion! If I were to make a troll druid, I'd just pick one of the three colors I liked. As long as there's at least one that is tolerable, that's fine with me.

Yeah I have felt that the whole cannibalism thing and frequent wars between tribes didn't really match up with druid ideals. They practice voodoo and shamanism, they pray to and worship animal gods for power... not much there about healing the planet and maintaining the balance of life. It doesn't work well for Worgen either though, being a savage race from another world or infected humans. o_O

There may be some druidic ties to Worgen that they'll make up but with Trolls I still don't see the fit. Shapeshifting is only one aspect of being a druid and it's something they must earn, it doesn't mean "Hey I see you're also a bear come join the club!"

So wait your saying it fine too make up lore for worgen to be druids yet makeing some lore for trolls is bad? thats just dumb who says a troll can not be one? Theres no lore saying they can not be and i am pretty damn sure they care about the land seeing as they are one of OLDEST races(i think gnomes and dwarfs are around the same age) out of the playable races they have been on this earth way before the cows and elfs where(theres even some people who think elfs came for them) Not all trolls "practice voodoo and shamanism" as you say so what about the preists? they are not technaly voodoo ones and the mages have nothing to do with it. If the trolls did not care about the land they live in the twin empires would not of had the war with the Aqir as they not only wanted to kill all non insects but change the land too.

Trolls, murlocs and furbolgs are the "old" races you speak of. Gnomes and dwarves were originally titan-creations, which places them as much younger.

And I think the whole "Aqir want to kill all non-insects" is more than enough for the trolls to go to war.

cowmuflage wrote:Not all trolls "practice voodoo and shamanism" as you say so what about the preists?

I read Wowwiki that Troll priests are much the same as shamans, they believe in the Lo'a and spiritual guidance, not the Light...with those energies they mend or harm.
It's...hard to explain.

I don't see how troll druids can't be the same and follow the Lo'a and spiritual guidance? I mean who says ALL druids have to worship the moon and stuff? thats what cow and night elf ones do but that does not mean trolls have too they could get the same powers from the Lo'a could they not?

Oh murlocs and furbolgs >.<

I bet they will do it the Lo'a way, we will know for sure how Blizzard makes it work when Cata comes out. If we look at it from a Dungeons and Dragons viewpoint ANY race can be a druid, but now I'm derailing a bit.

xD Let's not go into Furbolgs and Murlocs...I want to spare my brain.

I never said they can't make something up, I am saying that so far nothing fits. That is my point of view. Take it easy. I do wish to speak more on the matter though, and mean to say the following in a gentle manner:

Worgen have the benefit of being a brand new race and while I don't agree with them being druids I know Blizzard will make something up. Druids could potentially have some link to the Worgen and their homeworld or maybe they're responsible for the Worgen somehow, who knows. Trolls on the other hand have been playable for years with no hints to druidic ties. Based on in game experiences of questing for them and killing them they do not seem like candidates for a druidic race to me. I haven't read anything at all on Trolls that supports a desire to maintain the balance of life in the world. Trolls are even reputed to be bloodthirsty by nature.

If one wished to read about the lifestyle of one of the oldest known Trolls in Zul'Drak they would see how brutal and violent they are. Being an ancient race didn't make them nice or caring.
The Zandalar tribe in contrast, which is also very old, is more focused on recording their history and maintaining their religion. They don't get too involved with the world if they don't feel they need to.
The Twin Empires attempting to wipe out the Aqir would seem (to me) much out of a desire to protect themselves and defend their territories than out of a noble intent of saving the world.

My meaning when I speak of voodoo and shamanism are as practices of the race but not necessarily something practiced by every member. Being a priest still doesn't apply to being what a druid stands for. According to a Troll priest definition comes the following:

The troll priesthoods are, much like the shamans and the witch doctors of the various troll tribes, spiritual advisers and caretakers. With trolls being naturally superstitious and spiritual, it allows the various troll priests to manipulate the spiritual energy of the world in order to either heal or harm their targets. The various energies that the troll priests draw can come from various sources, be it Loa spirits, voodoo magic or the target itself. Drawing upon these energies, the troll priests either mend or harm, depending on which blessing the spiritual entity bestows. Arguably, in World of Warcraft, troll priests can be considered witch doctors in a cultural perspective, in equal terms with the shamans.

Here is the druid:

Druids are keepers of the world who walk the path of nature, following the wisdom of the Ancients and Cenarius, healing and nurturing the world. To a druid, nature is a delicate balance of actions, in which even the smallest imbalance can create storming turmoil from peaceful skies. Druids draw their power from this wild energy, using it to change their shapes and command the forces of nature.

While neither the Night Elves nor the Tauren have the most peaceful histories, nor are all members of those races "good", they both appear to have had the benefit of Cenarius' influence. So far nothing of that sort has come up with the Trolls or been hinted within their history. I do not mean to imply that I don't think Blizzard can make something up for Trolls, it does mean that I don't see how being a druid really suits the Troll race. Also, even though I felt Blizzard could invent something for the Worgen I didn't mean that I think becoming druids suited them either. They are savage beasts or infected humans, as it stands right now being druid doesn't fit them at all (to me). I hope that clears it up a little bit. :p

well i should point out there druids may not be like the other races ones and proberly wont be like the ones you quoted. I don't think they will be remmber they would more likely get there powers from the lo'a and not Cenarius like the others so the nature of the trolls would not have to change to be a druid, they will proberly make it like another form of spiritual adviser or somesuch who says a druid has to be careing to other races? religen changes and i could see some shammys spliting off to worship the Lo'a in another way. Oh BTW i was not getting mad or anything was just pointing out stuff.

Fael wrote: Trolls on the other hand have been playable for years with no hints to druidic ties. Based on in game experiences of questing for them and killing them they do not seem like candidates for a druidic race to me. I haven't read anything at all on Trolls that supports a desire to maintain the balance of life in the world. Trolls are even reputed to be bloodthirsty by nature.

Yet as evidenced by the Drakkari Trolls in Zul'Drak, there is strong evidence of a Druidic culture and a very strong worship of the Loa. The Drakkari went a bit mad and began sacrificing their Loa in order to gain their power with which to fight the Scourge but the quest line there sets things back in proper order (as an aside, the Spirit Beast Loq'nehak is the mate of the Troll Loa Har'koa).

Trolls are bloodthirsty yes, and have a strong history of cannibalism but the Darkspear have mostly given that up as part of the deal to become members of Thrall's Horde. Night Elves were also very savage in their early years (perhaps due to having branched off from the Trolls).

If one wished to read about the lifestyle of one of the oldest known Trolls in Zul'Drak they would see how brutal and violent they are. Being an ancient race didn't make them nice or caring.
The Zandalar tribe in contrast, which is also very old, is more focused on recording their history and maintaining their religion. They don't get too involved with the world if they don't feel they need to.
The Twin Empires attempting to wipe out the Aqir would seem (to me) much out of a desire to protect themselves and defend their territories than out of a noble intent of saving the world.

You are assuming that Druidism equals peace and I'm not sure where that perspective comes from. You are also assuming that the Troll's Druidic power comes from the same source as the Night Elves and Tauren (Elune and Cenarius). Clearly neither are the case. The Druidism of the Trolls is much more primal and connected to animal spirits rather than the moon-derived spiritualism of the Night Elves and Tauren. Being a Druid is to harness the powers of nature, and how that comes about will be due to the culture of the Druid. Nature is not peaceful, serene and balanced, it is also brutal, savage and unrelenting.

Many of the new race/class combinations coming in Catacylsm are the result of discoveries made during Wrath (see Gnome Priests). The Darkspear have discovered the Druidic culture of the Drakkari and helped set things back in order (if you played as a Troll in this quest line that would be the obvious conclusion). So we do not need to look only at previously established Troll lore here.

While neither the Night Elves nor the Tauren have the most peaceful histories, nor are all members of those races "good", they both appear to have had the benefit of Cenarius' influence. So far nothing of that sort has come up with the Trolls or been hinted within their history. I do not mean to imply that I don't think Blizzard can make something up for Trolls, it does mean that I don't see how being a druid really suits the Troll race.

I cut your other quotes for brevity, not because I'm ignoring them. Yes the Night Elves and Tauren have the blessing of Cenarius and yes the Troll Priests also use the power of the Loa (as do their Shaman), but perhaps Cenarius does not have the market cornered on the forces of nature and since the Loa are animal spirits, why would the Trolls not learn to use those granted abilities towards more Druidic ends? After all, one of the quests done in Gundrak involves the recovery of ancient historical tablets for the Darkspear. What could have been learned therein?

As I said above, what has come before does not necessarily dictate what is to come in the future. Especially after a cataclysm shaking the foundations of Azeroth. The world has changed and with that the races of Azeroth must change, adapt and learn in order to survive. Couple this with what they have learned in Wrath and I don't think it's far fetched for Trolls to become Druids.

Yeah i mean night elf mages? last time i checked they hated arcane magic! they must of grown to like the stuff or something

The nelf mages are highborne...

oh so you can play them now i guess?

There's already been previews on the lore shift.

cowmuflage wrote:oh so you can play them now i guess?

No need to be rude...

Oh sorry i did not mean to sound rude XD