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Ah, in that case... I thought you were being overly sarcastic.

And yes. Previews have explained a bit on the lore, and there's a quest where you meet one of the highborne that rejoin the other nelves.

Anansi wrote:I cut your other quotes for brevity, not because I'm ignoring them. Yes the Night Elves and Tauren have the blessing of Cenarius and yes the Troll Priests also use the power of the Loa (as do their Shaman), but perhaps Cenarius does not have the market cornered on the forces of nature and since the Loa are animal spirits, why would the Trolls not learn to use those granted abilities towards more Druidic ends? After all, one of the quests done in Gundrak involves the recovery of ancient historical tablets for the Darkspear. What could have been learned therein?

That and also if you combine a Primal with a Forest Stalker or whatever it was, you would get something akin to a druid in nature. Still a very, very far leap from that to druid, but it would happen.

And Tauren's aren't really droods because of Cenarius, to boot too, Nelves are for sure, but Tauren? Even the one in the drood hut questions it because Tauren's aren't like the nelves, they don't worship Elune, as they see the moon [and subsequently drood power] comes from the Earthmother's eye etc etc. So already Tauren and Nelves show you can be the 'same class' but have gotten down the path via different routes, views and empowerment.


I'm also thinking the Loa blessed the trolls in some manner, it could even be because of the actions of Gundrak/Zul'Drak, that the trolls who are still sane, who are still... as just, as a troll can be, who don't wish to kill their Loa, their gods, and throw them under the wheels of insanity, get rewarded to become stronger and thus protect themselves and their Loa.

Cause mean there's like only two sane clans of trolls left, the rest went nutters and basically ate their gods

Well the ZA guys channel their gods power don't they? they have not killed them i don't think.

The ones in ZA are kinda nuts though if I rememeber correctly.. I could be wrong its been a long time since I did that instance but I thought they were crazy. The leader of them well the main boss hated blood elves didnt he? They captured him and thats why he cut off his arm..to escape..I think

yeah they took his eye too.

Yeah then I cant remember exactly but hes the one driving them to be hostile - I dont know if those trolls are blessed or actually abusing the power of their loa's/gods

Nevar wrote:Yeah then I cant remember exactly but hes the one driving them to be hostile - I dont know if those trolls are blessed or actually abusing the power of their loa's/gods

Well seeing as the Zandalar trolls now evidently hold the gods, and if you don't believe me they are summoned/appeared for http://www.wowwiki.com/Witch_Doctor_Khufu in a quest and he is NOT a ZA troll, it's pretty clear exactly what the ZA trolls were doing if their gods would abandon them to go to the Zandalar tribe.

As tbh while Wowwiki has this;

. This is the first time trolls have sacrificed their gods and stolen their power; in Zul'Gurub, the Gurubashi Priests had fallen under the mind control of Blood God and their Loa's power was merely being stolen through them. In Zul'Aman, the Amani Priests asked their Loa for help in their war against the Horde and the Alliance, and the Loa agreed.

It doesn't make sense if the Loa agreed, so I doubt it was agreement but more of a they agreed because if they didn't, what worse would the trolls do?

So yeah.

I don't assume druidism means peace, nor that their power is strictly from Elune or Cenarius. The Night Elves and the Tauren had the benefit of Cenarius' influence and teachings is what I meant. Druids are labelled as "Keepers of the World". To be a druid means to maintain the balance of life and nature in the world and they do so by using the forces of nature as their means, not the other way around. To be a druid isn't about happening to control nature or changing into animals, they are druids because of their motivation for using these powers. Druids would enter the Emerald Dream to monitor the ebb and flow of life on Azeroth. Such were their concerns.

I don't see how the Drakkari tribe was at all druidic? Nothing from the questline hit that note with me. They are warlike, ruthless and savage and were even exiled by the other Trolls for being so excessively violent. They worshiped animal gods until they felt driven to consume their power in self defense. It was the Zandalar tribe that were present to record the fall of their empire. I remember how they had said history was repeating itself in that the trolls turning on their gods had happened before and that they hoped to prevent it from happening again. If you know which questlines were particularly druidic I would appreciate seeing them for a memory jogging. o_O

It does seem possible that a group of Darkspear could become another class of druids by using another source than the moon as you said. I don't have a problem with what they're using, it's the nature of Trolls that clashes for me. It's over what they've been inclined to do and them never giving a care about the things that are so important to the druids. I do realise that that the Cataclysm can be an excuse to force a new mindset into other races, but then why Trolls and not Orcs? Just because of Animal God worship?

Druids aren't about being peaceful hippies, they do what it takes to restore balance. They can heal and cure, they can wreak havoc with spells and shred people as beasts.

Druids possess a deep understanding of the way in which all living things depend upon one another. Whenever this delicate equilibrium is disrupted, the druid works to restore the balance. To that end, a druid can use his connection with the Emerald Dream to exert a calming influence over animals, even forcing some into a temporary state of hibernation. Just as the druid can wield peace and somnolence, however, the druid can tap into the fury of nature itself. Terrible storms have responded to a druid's call. Thorns have sprouted from the druid's skin to wound his attackers. Even previously harmless roots have grown up out of the soil at greatly accelerated speeds in order to entangle a foe.

The Tauren are another ancient race. Supposedly they forgot his druidic teachings for a time only to be rekindled by the Night Elves. For Tauren there is this quote:

According to tauren mythology, Cenarius instructed them first in druidism as recounted in their myth Forestlord and the First Druids. As it stands the night elves claim the first druid with Malfurion Stormrage, an idea challenged by the tauren beliefs.

I don't see why you can not maintain the balance of life and nature and not be war like heck nature its self is pretty war like look at ants. the trolls could of learned how to be druids and like forgot years ago and are only now getting back into it they have been on the world long before Taurens and elfs have so i don't see how that could of not happend. I mean some one would of had to of done that job before they where around i don't see why the trolls could of not done it. Maybe the war with the bugs drove them to forget it for more warlike ways? I mean if they did not take up arms with them well no one would be around now to be a druid or anything really.

Its only thought that trolls were the first race as it is assumed that night elfs were too. The trolls back then however were very different from the trolls the horde has now though. More brutal and obviously on roids.

Its allso assumed elfs came form trolls so :S its all very odd as theres no hard lore saying what is the right lore and what is the wrong lore(theres lore saying one thing and some lore saying another). They should make like some caverns of time raid that has you going back to the war of the 3 empires that would be neat.

Well if I remember right they would need a really good story to even make that a possibility since the two are very different and night elfs used to be immortal. They would need a really good story for that and Blizzard has no lore reflecting anything if I had a safe bet I would think the two starter races were the night elfs AND the trolls. Thats how I believe at least since they two vary so differently. The trolls took a one path of beliefs while the night elfs took a different path. Night elfs worship a different set of gods and Elune is stated as the only actualy TRUE god on Azeroth - I'm not talking loa's as in powerful spirits I'm talking recognized god as in everyone knows she exists and is the most powerful eternal on Azeroth. Trolls are more savage and brutal in my opinion and I think the starter trolls were more like cavemen almost not in their beliefs but that they grew into something more. Not so primal but a bit more educated would be my guess they changed frm their forest and frost cousins and became the trolls you see today.

Nevar wrote: Night elfs worship a different set of gods and Elune is stated as the only actualy TRUE god on Azeroth - I'm not talking loa's as in powerful spirits I'm talking recognized god as in everyone knows she exists and is the most powerful eternal on Azeroth..

Which is funny tbh since Elune evidently had a one night stand with a white stag and we got Cenarius, and that stag for all we know could have been a Loa >_>


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<_> I try not to think to hard about this fact

http://www.wowwiki.com/Malorne - Malorne is a demigod not a loa. He is a demigod and an eternal which the loa are also classified under but he takes on a whole different meaning since he himself created nature.

No frost trolls came after jungle and forest ones after the 2 empires fell they moved to waht is now northrend people seem to forget that. They would need to make a good story for how the elfs became immortal as you don't just start of with something like that and i highy doubt there was 2 starter races as they would have to of come from something like a common ancester as they share some of the same traits(there ears are basicly the same) and they proberly were stranded from each other and evolved into elfs and trolls thats how we got all those forms of cats etc in real life. Theres a few elfs and trolls in wow who even mention that its odd they have some of the same fetures.

Nevar wrote:http://www.wowwiki.com/Malorne - Malorne is a demigod not a loa. He is a demigod and an eternal which the loa are also classified under but he takes on a whole different meaning since he himself created nature.

all this lore gets confusing X_x

http://www.wowwiki.com/Night_Elf - There is, the titans made the well of eternity which the night elfs came upon and it granted them their wisdom and their power. The titans left it there after they created it so it could spew energy into the world and the night elfs found it. They became immortal after the first ancient war,the dragons made the night elfs immortal so they could protect Nordrassil which covered the Well of Eternity.

And agreed Ryai it does lol

Yes this lore does get confusing and the need to fix it up as theres lore saying the well made a race of nocturnal creatures who found it into the night elfs but thens theres lore saying they were night elfs before they found it O.o I think i prefer the one about a race being turned into the night elfs by the well then them being a race allready and just stumbleing into it. They should make like a bunch of comics that just explain how all the main races came to be it would clear all these things up lol maybe they could make it so it was being read by a titen telling other ones about the races they found on the planet (furborgs,murlocs and trolls where all there when they first showed up) then it could move onto the races they made and then talk about how the vrykul gave birth to the humans etc. man we are so getting off topic lol

They were always night elves, they were always a race and always around according to the lore. But when they found the Well of Eternity and then changed the took up the name 'Kaldorei' which in the language meant 'Children of the Stars'. Night elf is just a common term to refer to them, as they never refer to themselves as Night Elves.

Its funny they are ment to be noctornal yet you never see any of them complaining about the day light. Then again it does not got from day to night in wow anyway lol