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*facepalm* They haven't fixed all the bugs from 4.1 yet.Jessibelle wrote:Dont hold your breath. They're looking to push it out very soon.AdamSavage wrote:It's probaly not ment to be an epic. 4.2 is still early. I'm guessing another 3-4 months of testing..(I hope. Don't want it rushed)
Aye. :( It's annoying reading people who fail to comprehend that weapon damage is *Gasp* useful.SgtMakkie wrote:Nice gun, shame some people don't understand the mechanics of their own class.
I don't see anyone saying it wasn't useful. I was pointing out the huge flaw in it, which it's sad to see a select few refusing to recognize the fact that other stats matter besides weapon damage. I'm glad the majority recognize this gun's major flaw.Saturo wrote:Aye.SgtMakkie wrote:Nice gun, shame some people don't understand the mechanics of their own class.It's annoying reading people who fail to comprehend that weapon damage is *Gasp* useful.
Nit picking and showing you understand nothing of hunter mechanic's is really kinda poor. As BM your main shots (most often used) are cobra and auto shot. Please explain to me how an increase in weapon damage, which means your shots hit harder is going to be bad?Jessibelle wrote:I'm BM. I don't used Aimed Shot so thats not helpful. ^^;Cialbi wrote:*sigh* Upgrading from Kickback to this will make Aimed Shot hit almost 20% harder; same with auto shot. And those aren't even the only shots affected (though they do get the most benefit compared to other shots).
Now I don't have to feel bad about sitting on chaos orbs. Having dropped down to way past casual status, having this gun at my fingertips is a lovely option.I hope its a bigger upgrade cause weapon damage does nothing if the rest of the stats are equivalent to that of the Kickback. I've down this to a few other hunters on my server and they said they'd not take it over the Kickback. While the weapon damage is an immense upgrade, it's not the end all decision for an upgrade. That's one of the last things you look at. Agility is the first. Agility, Crit, Haste, Weapon Damage.Kalliope wrote:Oh hey, I totally missed this thread. Thanks, SB, that's a nifty gun!
My guess is that the stats haven't all been buffed yet. Blizz probably just copied the existing gun and either forgot to upgrade the other stats or someone typoed while copying and only the one upgrade got copied.
Yeah I was thinking the the stats were possibly a little low too, but then thought well the socket bonus is 20 agi, so if you gem it with something like a Deadly Ember Topaz, thats another 40 Agi and 20 Crit to add on top which certainly brings the agi up to 114 as well as everything else. This seems to have been an over site within some on the discussion however.Kalliope wrote:Oh hey, I totally missed this thread. Thanks, SB, that's a nifty gun!
My guess is that the stats haven't all been buffed yet. Blizz probably just copied the existing gun and either forgot to upgrade the other stats or someone typoed while copying and only the one upgrade got copied.
Pew pew!Yeah. I was saying if they fixed the stats, it'd be an incredible epic. :3 It should have maybe like 90 agility rather than 74. Something more on par with the epics rather than being nearly identical to the Kickback.Spiritbinder wrote:Yeah I was thinking the the stats were possibly a little low too, but then thought well the socket bonus is 20 agi, so if you gem it with something like a Deadly Ember Topaz, thats another 40 Agi and 20 Crit to add on top which certainly brings the agi up to 114 as well as everything else. This seems to have been an over site within some on the discussion however.Kalliope wrote:Oh hey, I totally missed this thread. Thanks, SB, that's a nifty gun!
My guess is that the stats haven't all been buffed yet. Blizz probably just copied the existing gun and either forgot to upgrade the other stats or someone typoed while copying and only the one upgrade got copied.
But like I said before, it's a BOE so a fresh lvl 85 could equip it as soon as they ding... and if it had the same stats as say, the firelands crossbow which one would have to kill a firelands boss to acquire, it would be a bit disheartening if the stats were too comparable in my opinion. My self I can't wait to make myself one of these bad boys, I don't care how bad it looks, It's defiantly a lot better then my Dragonheart Piercer I have atm.
Well your right about the Agi being one of our better stats, but the gain "Vs" loss with the right gemming is.Jessibelle wrote: I've down this to a few other hunters on my server and they said they'd not take it over the Kickback. While the weapon damage is an immense upgrade, it's not the end all decision for an upgrade. That's one of the last things you look at. Agility is the first. Agility, Crit, Haste, Weapon Damage.
I wish Chaos orbs were BoE though.
Yeah see, the rest is grand but the loss of Agility, even a smidge, is very hurtful, imho. The haste lost sucks but not that big of a deal(unless maybe if you're MM). Mastery isn't really major so eh. But the weap damage and crit increase is nice. Personally I feel they could be better. Maybe make it 90 or 100 Agil rather than 74 Agil. I know EJ says wep damage is important, however, even top raiding guilds dont pay much mind to EJ anymore, least on my server, as their information is either outdated or too much into theorycrafting.Spiritbinder wrote:Well your right about the Agi being one of our better stats, but the gain "Vs" loss with the right gemming is.Jessibelle wrote: I've down this to a few other hunters on my server and they said they'd not take it over the Kickback. While the weapon damage is an immense upgrade, it's not the end all decision for an upgrade. That's one of the last things you look at. Agility is the first. Agility, Crit, Haste, Weapon Damage.
I wish Chaos orbs were BoE though.
+ 107 Wep Damage
+13 Crit
+73 Mastery
-42 Haste
- 11 Agi
Not sure if 11 Agi is worth the loss some rather nice +'s in other areas.
So anything they say should truthfully be taken at face value/with a grain of salt. I tried to find anything on weapon damage on WHU but they mention nothing about it(unless somehow I missed it). They just say Agility, Hit, Crit, Haste are the mains. Mastery I think it only good for SV hunters. A druid friend of mine thinks this might be more of a warriors gun(Fury) or perhaps a Rogue.Jessibelle wrote: Yeah see, the rest is grand but the loss of Agility, even a smidge, is very hurtful, imho. The haste lost sucks but not that big of a deal(unless maybe if you're MM). Mastery isn't really major so eh. But the weap damage and crit increase is nice. Personally I feel they could be better. Maybe make it 90 or 100 Agil rather than 74 Agil.
Ranged Weapon DPS >> Agility > Crit > Haste >= Mastery >> Stamina
It is important to note and keep in mind that the value and priority of the secondary stats (Crit, Haste, Mastery) can and will change based upon your individual gear and current stats.
Ranged Weapon DPS
Because of the way that Marksman Hunter's primary shots are built to scale with weapon damage, our Ranged Weapon is by far our largest contributor to our DPS. You will see a larger DPS increase from your Ranged Weapon DPS than an increase from any other stat. It is for this reason that Marksman Hunters value a higher item level ranged weapon even if it has inferior stats such as Resilience.
Agility
Agility is our number one stat outside of Ranged Weapon DPS. This is the stat that you will find on all of our Mail gear. This is the stat that Hunters want to stack. Agility will affect the amount of DPS each shot does as well as how often that shot can crit. Agility provides both Attack Power and Critical Strike rating.
^^This is correct stat priority.Ranged Weapon DPS >> Agility > Crit > Haste >= Mastery >> Stamina
It is important to note and keep in mind that the value and priority of the secondary stats (Crit, Haste, Mastery) can and will change based upon your individual gear and current stats.
Ranged Weapon DPS
Because of the way that Marksman Hunter's primary shots are built to scale with weapon damage, our Ranged Weapon is by far our largest contributor to our DPS. You will see a larger DPS increase from your Ranged Weapon DPS than an increase from any other stat. It is for this reason that Marksman Hunters value a higher item level ranged weapon even if it has inferior stats such as Resilience.
Agility
Agility is our number one stat outside of Ranged Weapon DPS. This is the stat that you will find on all of our Mail gear. This is the stat that Hunters want to stack. Agility will affect the amount of DPS each shot does as well as how often that shot can crit. Agility provides both Attack Power and Critical Strike rating.
Heck, it'll be nice to have a use for those Chaos Orbs that have been rotting in my bags.If you practiced what you preach, at this point, instead of taking thing so personally and getting all defensive, you'd say "oh, I didn't consider that". That's kind and civil. Try it sometime.Jessibelle wrote:I never once said I was 100% right and everyone else was wrong. So believe what you like. A lot of the information I'm saying I got from here or others. If I'm wrong, rather than being snooty, you could just nicely correct me and link me where I'm wrong rather than get an attitude and act like I'm some sort of curse. Kindness goes a long way. Try it sometime.
I've tried four bosses(Magmaw, Wind Council dudes, Halfus, and Valiona/Theralion). The guild I raided with only downed one at the time. So I'm not dumb when it comes to raiding. I never said I was the best. Seriously, this hostility is silly. I've been civil so atleast I know I didn't start the hostility. I'm glad some here were able to have a civil conversation with me without claiming false things.
