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Worba wrote:I don't have a problem with people using foreign names or "accents" in their gaming - if you think about it blood elves were completely inspired by anime,

Actually, they seem considerably more inspired from "classic" sources such as Tolkien. Kael'Thas, Sylvanas, Voren'thal.....sounds and looks a lot more like LotR than Chibi Kawaii Otaku DBZ Fantasy #9000 ad nauseum.

And even if the accents exist, as with Schnottz....it is NOT one of our Earth languages. It is Draenic, Thalassian, Dwarvish, Tauruhe, Gnomish Binary, etc. It's cheesy, but it's Azeroth's own brand. So to get technical, no, I do not expect to see Meine Damen und Herren, Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn, etc. And I can't help but when I do.

I'm on roleplayer servers, however. If someone wants to roll Usagi as a Belf on any other type of server, hey, I like anime too. Just not in my Warcraft RP.

To each his own I guess!

Ijomi wrote:I don't expect to see/hear cheesy French/Japanese/Russian etc. names anywhere on a roleplay server, unless Blizzard themselves put it in Azeroth.

I must have misunderstood you. Surely you aren't proposing discriminating against names by nationality? If so, which nationality of names do you find acceptable?

No she's saying if it's not directly relevant to wow lore then she doesn't want to see it on the RP servers.

The point is to look at the names Blizzard uses in game and in the greater lore base for inspiration, and try to be inspired by those to use names in the same vein.

It's infuriating that one cannot use the apostrophe in names, given that at least the elves and trolls do use it frequently -- look at the NPCs.

Worba wrote:No she's saying if it's not directly relevant to wow lore then she doesn't want to see it on the RP servers.

Exactly this. On roleplay servers, it's Azeroth, and the languages and nationalities are all their own. Belf chick named UsagiTsukino would be blinked at for more reasons than one.

Morven wrote:It's infuriating that one cannot use the apostrophe in names, given that at least the elves and trolls do use it frequently -- look at the NPCs.

So very much. A lot of folks on my servers use MRP and such, so on mouseover the apostrophe will show, but....yeah. There must be some reason players can't use it, yet I still can't help but make grabbyhands.

Now I know why I don't play on RP servers--I'm just not that hardcore.

Ijomi wrote:Belf chick named UsagiTsukino would be blinked at for more reasons than one.

Not... blinking... ohh the horror...

Hee

:b And that's why there are normal and PvP servers, which I am not hardcore enough for!

Just don't blink at me. I'll do whatever you say.

I play on an RP server. I hate PvP. And frankly, the "RP" on my server is on the dead side.

As for character names, most of my names are taken from "earth" mythology or they are French names. I see nothing wrong with using my mother tongue to name my characters.

It seems to me that RP people are just as judgmental as the "hard core" raiders and PvPers.

Live and let live.
When you pay my monthly WoW fees, THEN you can tell me how to play.

Notice I liberally used variations of "in my opinion" in my posts. You don't have to make a sweeping judgement of "RP people" over me. Maybe it's because the RP is hardly dead at all where I play?

I may blink. I may choose not to RP with someone pretending to be Arthas's daughter. I'm not going to tell you that you can't. But only when you pay MY monthly fee will I stop blinking at little miss Usagi altogether.

Ok, I Am going to confess why my panties are in a bit of a twist over this. My main's name is 'Mingyao', and she has been the subject of racial insults in game; even when off questing or farming by herself, some people have gone out of their way to share their bigotry with me.

I'm not suggesting anyone here is racist. And I truly do understand the desire to have your character's name match lore as closely as possible. However, no one would blink at a Human or Undead with an English name, and that's great if that's your culture. But if it's not, and you want to give your character a name from a different culture, and people dismiss you because of it, that's not so great.

Besides, there are all kinds of RP styles. Some people like to be very serious about lore, and some find that overly restricting. There isn't just one right way. Anyway, rant over, thanks for letting me share!

Racism =/= observing Blizzard's naming patterns. Whispered real-life racial insults are certainly not the roleplay snark of Garithos to Kael'Thas Sunstrider. And Uldaman is not even a roleplay server, so my opinions have absolutely nothing to do with your main. I apologize if I didn't clarifly enough. My opinions are strictly based on the rules and conventions of roleplay servers.

On roleplay servers, at least in intent, a player pretends they ARE their character. That there is no "IRL", Azeroth IS the RL. Humans in the Warcraft universe have traditionally had "English" sounding names, with a medieval flair. That is par the course.

Look at it this way. Say you enjoy Star Trek, and you just got a much-anticipated new novel. It's a historical adventure about Klingons, their culture, really hardcore native stuff. You dive in. Suddenly, the lead is introduced, a fine and storied warrior of his people.

His name is "EdwardCullen". And he speaks in fluent Scandinavian.

Would that jar your immersion just a teensy bit?

You're very right, there is no "right way". But again, RP servers like Moon Guard are set up to encourage Warcraft immersion in ways that the other servers are not.

Ijomi wrote:Notice I liberally used variations of "in my opinion" in my posts. You don't have to make a sweeping judgement of "RP people" over me. Maybe it's because the RP is hardly dead at all where I play?

I may blink. I may choose not to RP with someone pretending to be Arthas's daughter. I'm not going to tell you that you can't. But only when you pay MY monthly fee will I stop blinking at little miss Usagi altogether.

Actually, what I took mild offense to, was your remark about "cheesy french names".
And you aren't the only RPer I've heard make comments on others that, in my opinion, are as harsh and critical as those made by hard core raiders and PvPers.

I don't want this to turn into any sort of argument. I just found your remark a bit harsh. Let's just agree to disagree on this topic.

I play on an RP server that has very little actual RP going on.
I didn't join specifically to RP, however. I chose it because if WANT to RP, I'm free to do so.
None of my character names are lore-related. But they are part of the backstory I have for each of my toons. Admittedly, not terribly in-depth backstories, but I see each of my toons as a very different person. And that's regardless of the simple fact that they are almost all male blood elves, with almost identical features and hair.

Since Blizzard decided not to allow us to use punctuation in our character names, it limits our creativity in that respect. It also puts a severe strain on just how well one can name a toon to suit RP. So I try to be creative, linguistically, within the parameters established by Blizzard. That means some of my toons' names are Japanese, some are Greek, some are French, and a few are mish-mash plays on words. None are XXLegolasXX or IPWNU.

There's nothing wrong with playing WoW and not being interested in the Lore, or playing on a RP server and not roleplaying, or having names that don't really fit within the confines of your race's traditional names(Veeka and her pets would be screwed in that case) - the only place where I cross the line is when you abuse the Lore to suit your own fantasies. Arthas was not your boyfriend, Varian was not your half-worgen half-draenei daughter's best friend. Keep that in your fanfics and out of my Azeroth and most importantly, don't tell me about it.

In the strictest sense of the word, I don't really care what people roleplay provided they research it first. It takes ten seconds to look up 'half-orc' on Wowpedia to get the scraps of information you need and to realize you can't be the half-night elf child of Grom or whatever. Doing otherwise sparks this tiny little ember of seething hatred in me, built up after years of having to prove myself over and over before people would even respond to me because I picked something heavily abused by sues. You don't show any intent of developing this character if you want to be the perfect amazing half-orc half-night elf dragon in disguise and all-powerful war general. You're just doing it for attention. And that drives me insane.

Rant aside, I love the Lore but I can't say I've bought any recent books. I caught up to around Wrath and then figured I could keep up in-game, and it hasn't really let me down so far. As for quest text, I don't read it when I pick up the quests but sometimes I'll read it along the way, especially on lowbies with slow ground mounts.

Nubhorns wrote:the only place where I cross the line is when you abuse the Lore to suit your own fantasies. Arthas was not your boyfriend, Varian was not your half-worgen half-draenei daughter's best friend. Keep that in your fanfics and out of my Azeroth and most importantly, don't tell me about it.

Yeah discretion is key - a players name is really the only thing you HAVE to know about them, as long as they choose to keep their own lore to themselves, so basically if I see a Usagi, I think "general fantasy background - good enough / not disconcerting", if it's Corwyn I think "wow background - seamless" and if I see "Sitonmahface" then I think "idiot - avoid".

Ijomi wrote:Racism =/= observing Blizzard's naming patterns.

Pop culture references =/= using non-English names.

GormanGhaste wrote:

Ijomi wrote:Racism =/= observing Blizzard's naming patterns.

Pop culture references =/= using non-English names.

The same applies whether the name is an anime character or not, though anime-based names in Warcraft are partly where "cheesy" came from. Even then, on an RP server, it has nothing to do with RL races or languages, and everything to do with Azerothian ones.

And this has everything to do with agreeing to disagree, as Sukurachi said. I'm sorry your main has gotten some RL jackasses, but that has zero to do with my interpretation of immersion and "research" on a roleplay server.

And Sukurachi, I don't tell others how to use their fifteen bucks a month. What I do is simply not instigate RP with them. Which is for the best, because odds are, we were not looking for the same type of immersion anyway.

That's all, folks.

Ijomi wrote:I don't tell others how to use their fifteen bucks a month. What I do is simply not instigate RP with them. Which is for the best, because odds are, we were not looking for the same type of immersion anyway.

That's what I was getting at earlier; we aren't all going to see eye to eye on every issue, and in the end as long as they're not hurting anyone or breaking the rules, one persons opinion = anothers.

Live and let live.