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*nod* I don't think he was insinuating that you cannot be BM to tame Deth, merely that if you want the absolute best chances, there are more utilities available in the other specs that would make the job easier.

That's not true. If she did the dailies for Shadow Wardens(most people do as they're easier), the npcs can and will pull aggro from you(I've seen Deth kill them). So will the brood yellow spiders. I've seen them attack deth before and Deth turned around and mauled them. She didn't seem to have problems keeping him slowed and kiting(which is where SV would help but since thats not the issue at hand...kinda makes it pointless, imho), so she can remain as she is. She just needs to do a little more hardcore hitting to keep his attention.

It is nice you mentioned SV but I'm just saying that wasn't the problem she had, so it doesn't solve her problem in the slightest.

*shrug* Not saying it will or won't help, I know nothing about MM or SV really, just chiming in that the suggestion seemed to be merely a suggestion, which can't hurt either way.

No, doesnt hurt at all. Just its preferable to answer the question shes asking rather than talking about something else entirely. Avoids confusion that way.

Sooooo, I'm confused. I didn't see Arisia ask a question (I may have to re-read it again, mind you), I just saw people speculating that she lost aggro. No one actually knows for sure. Bor simply gave his friendly advice and input, hoping to make her life a little easier next time around. Did she ask for that advice, specifically? No, but what's the harm in offering advice anyway, when you think that imparting the wisdom of your experience upon others might do them some good? I don't see how that adds confusion. If I ask what color the sky is, and most people say blue, that's great! But if only one person goes out of their way to tell me why the sky is blue, I'd be really happy to have that extra info and would think that person was thirteen different kinds of awesome. All I'm saying is that we should never turn down friendly advice when it is so readily given (and well-written, with video to support it, to boot!)

You don't have to respec to tame him. All 3 times I've tamed him was in BM spec. I think ya'll are blowing this out of proportion a bit. She just lost aggro. Respeccing doesn't really fix the aggro problem. I agree with the rest of it. Panicking makes you fumble and mess up.

Not saying you have to respec, but entrapment makes it A LOT easier and you can tame him solo in 5 minutes or less, instead of getting people's attention and have Deth striking himself to death or having aggro issues (not to mention DPSing his HP down instead of res/send pet tactic). It's not like respecing is a bit deal either. If someone only wishes to check up on Deth's spawn once in a blue moon and see how it goes, that's the person's choice. But if you wish to camp for him and make sure it goes smooth, specing survival, while not necessary, makes it that much easier. Not to mention you kinda have to root Deth for him to kill the pet, instead he will just chase after you if the pet doesn't have aggro. That's why spider is suggested for "web" and entrapment is 2 additional roots.

Entrapment did wonders on my Solix tame yesterday. That hunter has started as Surv, but I hadn't used it in so long, I'd forgotten she had so many neat tricks. I'll have to see it in action on Deth next time I help a tame!

Bor wrote:

You don't have to respec to tame him. All 3 times I've tamed him was in BM spec. I think ya'll are blowing this out of proportion a bit. She just lost aggro. Respeccing doesn't really fix the aggro problem. I agree with the rest of it. Panicking makes you fumble and mess up.

Not saying you have to respec, but entrapment makes it A LOT easier and you can tame him solo in 5 minutes or less, instead of getting people's attention and have Deth striking himself to death or having aggro issues (not to mention DPSing his HP down instead of res/send pet tactic). It's not like respecing is a bit deal either. If someone only wishes to check up on Deth's spawn once in a blue moon and see how it goes, that's the person's choice. But if you wish to camp for him and make sure it goes smooth, specing survival, while not necessary, makes it that much easier. Not to mention you kinda have to root Deth for him to kill the pet, instead he will just chase after you if the pet doesn't have aggro. That's why spider is suggested for "web" and entrapment is 2 additional roots.

Thats kinda why you use a spider pet or one of the trash spiders in the area but you dont HAVE to root him. My very first Deth tame was with him mauling my spirit beast. Rooting him just gets his attention faster. And all 3 of my tames were done within 3 minutes.

Thats kinda why you use a spider pet or one of the trash spiders in the area but you dont HAVE to root him. My very first Deth tame was with him mauling my spirit beast. Rooting him just gets his attention faster. And all 3 of my tames were done within 3 minutes.

Ok, wasn't sure about that Just he didn't seem to attack my pet when not rooted, but might be like you said, root just gets his attention faster

Jessibelle wrote:Thats kinda why you use a spider pet or one of the trash spiders in the area but you dont HAVE to root him. My very first Deth tame was with him mauling my spirit beast. Rooting him just gets his attention faster. And all 3 of my tames were done within 3 minutes.

Deth tames also go faster if you have help, which I'm assuming you did, since there are a number of hunters teamed up on Moon Guard.

As stated, a Deth tame can be done without rooting him, but you're more likely to end up kiting him further than you would need to without entrapment/pet roots/long term roots from another class. I'd recommend glyphed concussive shot and ice traps in any spec. I would also personally toss in a spider and spec into entrapment even as BM, simply because you have the option to do so - and why make things harder on yourself?

My spider's name is Kalliope (look above for person she's named after ) and my spider is named that for a reason. Kalliope, even though a different faction, helped me tame this spider......with ease! That Kalliope knows those spiders!

When I tamed Deth, it took about 45 minutes. I had no clue about the pet sacrificing thing, or about deaths of any type causing his health to drop. So I was just dpsing him for 45 minutes before I got his health down and finally tamed him. I had a lock come in and help dps when his health was midlevel, but it still took a lonnnnng time with nothing dying to lower his health.

(My gear sucked, so my dps sucked, thats why it took so long. The lock's dps also sucked, sadly.)

Sarantha wrote:When I tamed Deth, it took about 45 minutes. I had no clue about the pet sacrificing thing, or about deaths of any type causing his health to drop. So I was just dpsing him for 45 minutes before I got his health down and finally tamed him. I had a lock come in and help dps when his health was midlevel, but it still took a lonnnnng time with nothing dying to lower his health.

(My gear sucked, so my dps sucked, thats why it took so long. The lock's dps also sucked, sadly.)

Well, hey, at least you can say that it was a well-earned tame! It would have been heart-breaking to have gone through all that, only to lose him somehow. I'm glad it worked out in the end, even if it did take 500 times longer than normal (okay, 500 is a slight exaggeration.....).

I think that was a massive Deth'tilac fail on my part. I got the tame, but the really, really, really long and hard way. I paid the lock 2k for his help. It might have taken 2 hours without his help or someone might have ganked it by knowing how to do it without his help getting Deth down. I think Deth was certainly a well-earned tame for me! I worked long and hard for him, thats definitely true!

Prior to that, I'd had him ganked from me 6 times. Each time he spawned, someone else would either KILL him by having their buddies die (usually opposing faction who'd rather see him dead than tamed by horde) or just someone else taming him when he was tamable. Most of the time, the taming-gankers would help dps/kite him, so it didn't take me 45 mins all the times I got ganked.

Bor wrote:

Thats kinda why you use a spider pet or one of the trash spiders in the area but you dont HAVE to root him. My very first Deth tame was with him mauling my spirit beast. Rooting him just gets his attention faster. And all 3 of my tames were done within 3 minutes.

Ok, wasn't sure about that Just he didn't seem to attack my pet when not rooted, but might be like you said, root just gets his attention faster

Yeah you just gotta use Intimidate and have growl on and you do less damage than the pet(Kill Command and BW help too). Thats when he notices something on his butt and he goes "WTF? Dude!". XD

And yeah, a lot of hunters on MG will team up.

Also a little update....Arisia almost had Deth today but someone on alliance stole aggro and took him. I've given him quite the scolding. He says he feels awful cause he thought Deth was dying(and his friend was telling him Deth was gonna die). I'm not sure if he's being truthful or not.

Jessibelle wrote:Yeah you just gotta use Intimidate and have growl on and you do less damage than the pet(Kill Command and BW help too). Thats when he notices something on his butt and he goes "WTF? Dude!". XD

Actually, it has nothing to do with aggro. It's a feature that when a mob is rooted, it'll attack something in its melee range instead of its higher aggro target that's at range.

That's why the entrapment/spider advice in particular is so useful.

(If you don't believe me, consider that the pet's threat is wiped after dying, compared to your own steadily building aggro.)

Kalliope wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:Yeah you just gotta use Intimidate and have growl on and you do less damage than the pet(Kill Command and BW help too). Thats when he notices something on his butt and he goes "WTF? Dude!". XD

Actually, it has nothing to do with aggro. It's a feature that when a mob is rooted, it'll attack something in its melee range instead of its higher aggro target that's at range.

That's why the entrapment/spider advice in particular is so useful.

(If you don't believe me, consider that the pet's threat is wiped after dying, compared to your own steadily building aggro.)

I'm not so sure thats 100% true or not....cause a pet thats not a spider is in melee range the entire time but Deth was on me UNTIL my pet pulled aggro.

Jessibelle wrote:

Kalliope wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:Yeah you just gotta use Intimidate and have growl on and you do less damage than the pet(Kill Command and BW help too). Thats when he notices something on his butt and he goes "WTF? Dude!". XD

Actually, it has nothing to do with aggro. It's a feature that when a mob is rooted, it'll attack something in its melee range instead of its higher aggro target that's at range.

That's why the entrapment/spider advice in particular is so useful.

(If you don't believe me, consider that the pet's threat is wiped after dying, compared to your own steadily building aggro.)

I'm not so sure thats 100% true or not....cause a pet thats not a spider is in melee range the entire time but Deth was on me UNTIL my pet pulled aggro.

Like I said, it's not aggro. Deth'tilac searches for a target in melee range to cast deth strike on, otherwise he doesn't cast it at all. If your pet had real aggro on Deth, then you wouldn't be able to kite him.

Kalliope wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:

Kalliope wrote:
Actually, it has nothing to do with aggro. It's a feature that when a mob is rooted, it'll attack something in its melee range instead of its higher aggro target that's at range.

That's why the entrapment/spider advice in particular is so useful.

(If you don't believe me, consider that the pet's threat is wiped after dying, compared to your own steadily building aggro.)

I'm not so sure thats 100% true or not....cause a pet thats not a spider is in melee range the entire time but Deth was on me UNTIL my pet pulled aggro.

Like I said, it's not aggro. Deth'tilac searches for a target in melee range to cast deth strike on, otherwise he doesn't cast it at all. If your pet had real aggro on Deth, then you wouldn't be able to kite him.

He's gotta have some sort of aggro cause Deth didn't turn to him til his frame turned red and and mine wasnt red anymore, which indicates some sort of aggro pull, also Omen picked up the aggro meters. If aggro wasnt involved, I would've stayed ontop of the meter, but I didnt. My pet pulled ahead, Deth turned to him, mauled him, then went after the 2nd person on the list aka me.

So I've noticed that growl has been brought up. I would just like to remind everyone that growl and other taunts do not work on the 4.2 rares anymore. <.<