WoW Petopia Community

Ëlfdragon wrote:Now, correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but are you saying that, if a skin is put on a common skin, the "Thrill of the hunt" factor is gone? Cause, if you are, I don't agree. If someone still wanted to experience the thrill of hunting a rare, they still can. But if they have really bad luck, have a life and don't have the time, or just plainly hate having to spend hours on end sitting in one spot camping a pet, they can still get the skin they love on a common mob.

Camping to tame a "rare" that is available at the same time as a common skin is silly. Why can't some pets require some work to tame? Again, equate it to raid gear, that you have to work, for, or do you want it for free at the vendor?

Ëlfdragon wrote:See, that's what i truly don't get. Does a unique skin being put on a common mob change what YOU went threw to get the pet? So what if some random person sees you with the pet and doesn't know you took to time and effort to tame the rare, because YOU know that YOU took the time and effort to camp for the rare. Now, I know you said you only got the Jadefang because she was a unique rare.

No, assuming that rare isn't available right away as a common. But with this change with the xpac, that's fine.

(Side note: I've been playing this game for a while, and back in the day before flying everywhere and 2-seater mounts, I took great pride in running to the BE starting zone as a fresh lvl 20ish Draenei hunter and taming a red lynx. People were amazed that I had that pet then. That part of the game is gone. It's too easy to get pets in general).

Ëlfdragon wrote:I guess what I said was more targeted at the people that love a skin when its unique, but despies it the moment they hear its put on a common mob. That is truly what i hate people doing.

And that's not it (for me anyway). I can't possibly bond with all these pets, and Blizz making some easily available makes stable choices easy. It's not just that it's unique, it's the effort that went into it, and everyone else that has it had the same effort/luck.

I don't think people who are angry about rares being made into common skins are wrong for feeling that way. Sure, with some players it is a case of wanting to be a special snowflake, but with many others, it feels like all of their efforts to get their rares are being rendered obsolete, because people want something without putting any effort in to get it. People spend days, weeks, months camping a pet, and when you get it, you feel this great sense of personal achievement, because you put effort into doing it. To put it briefly, it doesn't feel fair when someone is just handed something that you had to work or wait for, and that is a perfectly normal human reaction, not a case of wanting to be special.

Having said that, is it so wrong to like or want something special? Something that is hard to get makes it fun and challenging; things that are made easy reduces their value to many of us. I may think the "Hand of A'dal" title is really cool, or the Black Qiraji Battle Tank, but I do not resent the people who have them in the least. Or people with gladiator mounts that I will never have. They earned them. I do not feel entitled to the Blue Proto-Drake or Rivendare's Deathcharger just because I want them, why should pets be different? If those gladiator mounts were added as vendor items that anyone could buy, I would say that the people who earned them would have every right to feel very angry indeed about it.

We may not admit it to ourselves, but the truth is that every one of us has this special something in World of Warcraft that we got through effort and patience, and it would really upset us to see this thing being made easily obtainable to everyone who wanted it. Even if we tried really hard not to be. We like having unique and rare things, that doesn't make us bad people.

When people see that pet they put so much effort into being made into a common, it does take away from that pet to varying extents with people. Now, I love my Loque'nahak, and he's never going anywhere, especially after what I went through to get him. When I was hunting him, there were several hunters around patrolling for him too. I got chatting to one as we both went patrolling for Skoll after we got our Loque'nahaks. Every one of those hunters was willing to put in the effort for him, and even though I did lose a chance to tame Loque because someone beat me to it, I was really pleased for that person. I would be a horrible person if I resented it and thought that I deserved it more because I wanted it. If, in MoP or another
expansion, I wandered into a field with six mobs with Loque's skin, or Skoll's, I would be crestfallen, because things like chatting with other hunters camping in the zone, grouping up to help others, the sense of achievement, would never happen again for that mob. For many people, Loque'nahak and Skoll would never be special again. Some would probably just release theirs because it felt like their efforts mean nothing now.

I am sure that there are hunters who feel that way about Jadefang, and I cannot blame them, even though I do not have, like, or want Jadefang.

That does not make it wrong or "lazy" to want a common version of a skin. Some people don't like camping for a skin they just like the skin.

As far as I can tell, this argument has been had about six times on this forum.
Can we let it drop? No new points ever come up, and it just gets the thread locked.

LupisDarkmoon wrote:As far as I can tell, this argument has been had about six times on this forum.
Can we let it drop? No new points ever come up, and it just gets the thread locked.

Fair enough, it is a fairly circular argument after all, and it has happened numerous times already, with the same arguments. There is no point in having it again now.

It is the curse of "petopia" You can't bring up rares with out people saying your wrong I can't count how many times I have got flack for hating Spirit beasts lol

cowmuflage wrote:It is the curse of "petopia" You can't bring up rares with out people saying your wrong I can't count how many times I have got flack for hating Spirit beasts lol

Considering the fact that this has been done with numerous pets in the past, I think I probably got a little over-emotional. Spur-of-the-moment, not actually thinking before I typed thing. Il love all my pets, rare or common, regardless of what happens to their skins in future. ^^

Bangeall wrote:l love all my pets, rare or common, regardless of what happens to their skins in future. ^^

<3

Yeah I like my pets what ever they are. <3 I'm all for having it so everyone can get the skin they want. Hence why I like commons and rares to share skins so rare hunters can get the rare mob useing that skin and people who don't like to camp can get it too on a common skin. Means everyone can be happy!

cowmuflage wrote:Yeah I like my pets what ever they are. <3 I'm all for having it so everyone can get the skin they want. Hence why I like commons and rares to share skins so rare hunters can get the rare mob useing that skin and people who don't like to camp can get it too on a common skin. Means everyone can be happy!

See, that's the thing. Why would I bother camping a rare if the same skin is available as a common? That makes no sense, I have better things to do with my time.

If they did make all the rares common, that might be the day I hang up my rifle and go play my pally again (and go looking for that free tier gear too...)

Makes sense to me.

I think it's a matter of personal preference. I know people that will go out of their way to chase a rare even though there are common mobs with the same appearance. But I get why not everyone would be excited by that. For some it's the challenge, for some it's the status of showing off some special skin, but for many it's just that the fact the skin is rare makes it feel special. It's not that they want to be special snowflakes or anything... the rare skin just feels more alluring.

In a way it's a shame they can't keep the silver portrait as a tiny token of their origins even if the skin is everywhere.

nvm

Wain wrote:I think it's a matter of personal preference. I know people that will go out of their way to chase a rare even though there are common mobs with the same appearance. But I get why not everyone would be excited by that. For some it's the challenge, for some it's the status of showing off some special skin, but for many it's just that the fact the skin is rare makes it feel special. It's not that they want to be special snowflakes or anything... the rare skin just feels more alluring.

It's also just the accomplishment.

If the boss fell over dead when you walked in the dungeon, wouldn't be a lot of thrill to the fight, right? That's how I feel about the pets. Thinking about it, now I suppose I understand more about the hard-core raiders that hate LFR.

Bangeall wrote:Considering the fact that this has been done with numerous pets in the past, I think I probably got a little over-emotional. Spur-of-the-moment, not actually thinking before I typed thing. Il love all my pets, rare or common, regardless of what happens to their skins in future. ^^

I feel the same way. I love the thrill of the hunt when camping for a unique rare. Sometimes the tame worked out other times it didn't and I released the pet. Let the pets be unique for a while and then if Blizz introduces common pets in the same skin later on, no biggie. I know who I tamed. I just hope they keep introducing unique rares for us to camp. Even if they're not unique forever.

Yup, I agree that everyone on different sides will just have to disagree and let it sit at that. I know I'm guilty of doing it too, I'm opinionated on the matter, but I have to try to remind myself that hey, everyone plays this game how they want to. Sometimes I forget that, and I apologize. I play and think in the way that makes pets mean the most to me. I love all my pets, some are rare, some are common, some are rare with common counterparts. None of that really matters as opposed to the reasons why I bond with particular pets. It's different for each one.

As long as you're happy with your stable that's all that matters. I think it's easy to get carried away with this topic solely because so many of use have strong opinions regarding our pets. In a way it illustrates the depth of our community and how unique we are in that we are able to have such intense discussions over a topic that might seem trivial or unimportant to other people and classes.

We're all human, we're bound to want to express ourselves and the reasoning behind our own choices. It's hard to reign that in at times, but as long as everyone can reach an understanding, even if not an agreement, it's all good.

Maybe they could change the new ones to this one instead:



Unlikely

Slickrock wrote:

cowmuflage wrote:Yeah I like my pets what ever they are. <3 I'm all for having it so everyone can get the skin they want. Hence why I like commons and rares to share skins so rare hunters can get the rare mob useing that skin and people who don't like to camp can get it too on a common skin. Means everyone can be happy!

See, that's the thing. Why would I bother camping a rare if the same skin is available as a common? That makes no sense, I have better things to do with my time.

If they did make all the rares common, that might be the day I hang up my rifle and go play my pally again (and go looking for that free tier gear too...)

Last thing I'm going to say, cause like the others, convo's like this are getting old...You may think its pointless to camp for a rare when there's a common mob with the same skins, but there are people out there who LOVE to camp rares. Like, when it comes to SkitterFlame. Sure, there was a common spider in the zone with the same skin and no challenge to the tame, but did I care? No, I loved SkitterFlame and the challenge to the tame, so i spent the 10 hours I spent camping him. Now, there are some people who said "Why wouldn't you just get the common mob? Why waste so much time?" but really, I'd camp for a rare over taming a common mob with the same skin any day. But that's just me, I know people fill different ways. What makes no sense to 1 person makes perfect sense to another.

*tames Wain*

*set for life* ^_^

Wait, Wain is a shale spider? Does he squee?!