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Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:29 pm
by SpiritBinder
AdamSavage wrote:Why do they want us to use Expertise again ?
So when kittens and rogues end up with crazy amounts of dodge in pvp we cant hit them...

So now we can't roll on every other weapon, blizzard decided to let us roll on enhance shamans gear to still be able to give at least one class/combo the shits.....

So hunters have more stats to confuse them selves with? In WOTLK Hunters QQ'ed because armor penetration was to hard to work out, so they removed it, then in CATA hunters QQ'ed stats where to simple, so they decided to add another stat back in, then in MOP hunters QQ'ed... oh wait that's next expansion.

So hunters have to stack behind the boss melee because... wait they are ranged, so hunters can spread would with ranged because... wait they are melee, so hunters have to stack behind the boss melee because... wait..

Sorry, I'm in a cynical mood today...


Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:39 pm
by Wain
Spiritbinder wrote:So now we can't roll on every other weapon, blizzard decided to let us roll on enhance shamans gear to still be able to give at least one class/combo the shits.....
I'd say that's at least part of it, but not to "give them the shits" as much as make our stats even closer so they don't have to worry about agi mail being good for one class and not the other. That's my guess anyway.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:51 pm
by Kalliope
Wain wrote:
Spiritbinder wrote:So now we can't roll on every other weapon, blizzard decided to let us roll on enhance shamans gear to still be able to give at least one class/combo the shits.....
I'd say that's at least part of it, but not to "give them the shits" as much as make our stats even closer so they don't have to worry about agi mail being good for one class and not the other. That's my guess anyway.
What Wain said. Plus, we had one fewer stat than everyone else for a while, due to not needing mana or expertise. This will bring us back in line.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:54 pm
by SpiritBinder
Wain wrote:
Spiritbinder wrote:So now we can't roll on every other weapon, blizzard decided to let us roll on enhance shamans gear to still be able to give at least one class/combo the shits.....
I'd say that's at least part of it, but not to "give them the shits" as much as make our stats even closer so they don't have to worry about agi mail being good for one class and not the other. That's my guess anyway.

True...

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:09 pm
by Slickrock
Spiritbinder wrote:
Wain wrote:
Spiritbinder wrote:So now we can't roll on every other weapon, blizzard decided to let us roll on enhance shamans gear to still be able to give at least one class/combo the shits.....
I'd say that's at least part of it, but not to "give them the shits" as much as make our stats even closer so they don't have to worry about agi mail being good for one class and not the other. That's my guess anyway.

True...
The interesting thing with it will be the gemming and reforging. The secondary stats on gems are getting bumped, so, there will be a lot more of those stats flying around.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:40 am
by Ellaran
We'll also only have to get exp to 7.5% so our targets can't dodge the shots, and it'll also help our pets hit without worry.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:43 am
by Rethen
For me, these changes just serve as a reminder that Bliz decided I'm going to need expertise now. :| I mean, if we don't need to worry about parries at all and only need to be soft-capped (whether we're behind or in front of the mobs), it wouldn't be too bad, but... ugh. Just doesn't feel right.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:29 am
by Royi
wait so undead will get a chance on hit 13k proc?

doesnt that seem overpowered? Or is it only 13k at lvl 90, and maybe 100 at level 10 etc

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:32 am
by Kalliope
Royi wrote:wait so undead will get a chance on hit 13k proc?

doesnt that seem overpowered? Or is it only 13k at lvl 90, and maybe 100 at level 10 etc
Yes, it'll scale with level.

It's still rather OP for a racial. >_<

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:42 am
by Royi
Kalliope wrote:
Royi wrote:wait so undead will get a chance on hit 13k proc?

doesnt that seem overpowered? Or is it only 13k at lvl 90, and maybe 100 at level 10 etc
Yes, it'll scale with level.

It's still rather OP for a racial. >_<
You'd think it would make the undead the preferred race to play as for dps meters then. I don't understand why they would put something like this in the game. Its not like a Gnome's Escape artist helps much on that boss battle...

I guess a Goblin does have the rocket launcher thing, but I never use it at 85 anyways in my rotation. Meh I'm sure it'll get nerfed if it is overpowered, but still I wish there would be more love for Gnomes (Gnome hunter, Gnome racial Mind-control spell, etc)

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:44 pm
by Bristlenose
I think it's a good thing. It means no more seeing Enhancement Shaman gear and it being either useless or subpar at best. That makes it easier to find gear IMO.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:44 am
by Rhapture
I was hoping that night elves might get a better racial. Wisp form is so incredibly lame, I really do not need to be able to run back faster when we wipe in raid. >.<

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:11 am
by Ziarre
Sounds like you haven't been on some of the corpse runs I have. xP

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:41 am
by Kalliope
Rhapture wrote:I was hoping that night elves might get a better racial. Wisp form is so incredibly lame, I really do not need to be able to run back faster when we wipe in raid. >.<
I agree that this racial is somewhat outdated because it was duplicated as a guild perk. Except said perk doesn't apply everywhere and the racial does...but it's kind of situational, much like the 10m underwater breathing was.

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:50 am
by Makoes
I would love for nightelves Wisp for to get updated to something more useful. Though I am unsure of what it could be updated to...

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:34 pm
by Rhapture
Ziarre wrote:Sounds like you haven't been on some of the corpse runs I have. xP

Hahaha well now you have to elaborate ;)
Makoes wrote:I would love for nightelves Wisp for to get updated to something more useful. Though I am unsure of what it could be updated to...
At this point ANYTHING else would probably be an upgrade, but since we have shadowmeld they would probably not give us another "oh crap button" or a dps racial. Maybe something to do with professions?

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:29 pm
by Royi
Gnomes or Dwarves (Finkle does have one himself...) should be able to summon personal a Mole Machine

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:18 pm
by Chimera
If wisp form was changed or removed, id hang my night elves. Its the only perk as a feral druid (since shadowmeld no longer stealths you while you eat/drink and it cant stack with stealth) that i like on night elves. Sure its useful for my baby priest when i need to emergency afk in dangerous territory or to instantly drop combat against a foe i cant/dont want to fight, but repair bills are no real biggie to me, its the running back to the corpse that i hate. But the wisp's speed negates that hatred of running back to my body when im on my night elves. And of course with my 85 night elf being a feral cat, i have stealth so it renders shadowmeld useless unless i need to emergency afk and need a fast way out of combat so as to not die to the mob(s) attacking me.

/still fumes about the loss of her underwater breathing too..

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:45 pm
by Kalliope
*shrug* I still like shadowmeld on my tree; it works nicely as a makeshift vanish. :)

Re: Racial changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:31 pm
by Ziarre
Rhapture wrote:
Ziarre wrote:Sounds like you haven't been on some of the corpse runs I have. xP
Hahaha well now you have to elaborate ;)
Let's see, the last one I can remember...I died on the edge of Hyjal.

My spirit came up in Felwood.

There's no ghost flying there.

:(