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This is a good thing. Think of the past, beginning of WOTLK they killed BM as a raiding spec and that never came back. The beginning of Cata they killed Surv which only came back due to them adding tier set bonus to 13 that favour Surv.

I really would love to see a xpac hit with all three specs dps output within 2% of each other.





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I always thought that pure-dps classes SHOULD be higher in dps than other classes. It is a way of balancing it out,

Rogues, Locks, Hunters, and Mages should always be the top 4 classes in DPS. Why? because thats the only thing they can do.

Its supposed to be a jack of all trades, master of none. Right? Just my 16 cents.


I just hope the set bonuses for hunter's tier can benefit all specs for hunters too equally....

eh lets be honest Royi.

I just hope the set bonuses for hunter's tier are unevenly favored towards SV

Sasrei wrote:Welcome to blizzard we were on top of the charts in beta for raids so hello nerfbat.

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That wasn't a nerfbat, it was a nerfcannon.

Dang can I have that in game?

/tangent

It makes me 50 shades of rage that the Dark Phoenix isnt boa.

/end tangent

So with the massive pity party going on, I completely missed this change:

Blink Strike damage bonus upon blinking tripled.

Maybe it'll be a viable option now? *eyes Z*

Banard wrote:This is a good thing. Think of the past, beginning of WOTLK they killed BM as a raiding spec and that never came back. The beginning of Cata they killed Surv which only came back due to them adding tier set bonus to 13 that favour Surv.

I really would love to see a xpac hit with all three specs dps output within 2% of each other.

Frostheim's post here would like a word with you. We can always hope for tighter balance, but early Cataclysm marked the most balanced hunter trees in the history of WoW.

Kalliope wrote:So with the massive pity party going on, I completely missed this change:

Blink Strike damage bonus upon blinking tripled.

Maybe it'll be a viable option now? *eyes Z*

As posted by Aettis over at MMO,

So with Blink Strikes tripled damage, it might be worth taking for PvE as BM. It was critting for roughly 205k-30k at 88 for me, and did about
1-2% of my total damage, so that'd be a bump up to 3 to 6%! Not too shabby.

I think your right Kalli, it's looking in pretty good shape now

Ziarre wrote:

Banard wrote:This is a good thing. Think of the past, beginning of WOTLK they killed BM as a raiding spec and that never came back. The beginning of Cata they killed Surv which only came back due to them adding tier set bonus to 13 that favour Surv.

I really would love to see a xpac hit with all three specs dps output within 2% of each other.

Frostheim's post here would like a word with you. We can always hope for tighter balance, but early Cataclysm marked the most balanced hunter trees in the history of WoW.

Frankly, I always like pointing out that I stayed BM all through Wrath and was actually in a raiding guild that accomplished some great things, and I did some pretty sweet damage. (well, still do)
Sure, I got a lot of criticism, but those were just the people who don't actually raid with me.

Neilaren wrote:

Ziarre wrote:

Banard wrote:This is a good thing. Think of the past, beginning of WOTLK they killed BM as a raiding spec and that never came back. The beginning of Cata they killed Surv which only came back due to them adding tier set bonus to 13 that favour Surv.

I really would love to see a xpac hit with all three specs dps output within 2% of each other.

Frostheim's post here would like a word with you. We can always hope for tighter balance, but early Cataclysm marked the most balanced hunter trees in the history of WoW.

Frankly, I always like pointing out that I stayed BM all through Wrath and was actually in a raiding guild that accomplished some great things, and I did some pretty sweet damage. (well, still do)
Sure, I got a lot of criticism, but those were just the people who don't actually raid with me.

Ironically, I stayed BM all through Wrath, and used unusual gearsets and rotations to get the job done (Tanking gun for the attack speed procs for the pets, etc).

But Cata is where I went to half-time SV spec, because of the removal of volley, and BM not having ANY viable AOE.

Kalliope wrote:So with the massive pity party going on, I completely missed this change:

Blink Strike damage bonus upon blinking tripled.

Maybe it'll be a viable option now? *eyes Z*

I still don't think it will be a great raid talent, but it certainly is an awesome opener for soloing and questing.

Slickrock wrote:

Kalliope wrote:So with the massive pity party going on, I completely missed this change:

Blink Strike damage bonus upon blinking tripled.

Maybe it'll be a viable option now? *eyes Z*

I still don't think it will be a great raid talent, but it certainly is an awesome opener for soloing and questing.

You're not Z.

I was hearing that Blink Strike was doing more damage than Kill Command even - that seems kind of broken. x_x

Kalliope wrote:I was hearing that Blink Strike was doing more damage than Kill Command even - that seems kind of broken. x_x

Not neccesarily, give the cuts on the other talents. It seems like they are pushing all the dps towards the new talents.

Slickrock wrote:

Kalliope wrote:I was hearing that Blink Strike was doing more damage than Kill Command even - that seems kind of broken. x_x

Not neccesarily, give the cuts on the other talents. It seems like they are pushing all the dps towards the new talents.

Fascinating change then. Guess all pets will be warpies then.

Kalliope wrote:

Slickrock wrote:

Kalliope wrote:I was hearing that Blink Strike was doing more damage than Kill Command even - that seems kind of broken. x_x

Not neccesarily, give the cuts on the other talents. It seems like they are pushing all the dps towards the new talents.

Fascinating change then. Guess all pets will be warpies then.

I was using it on the elites before this change, worked well then, so can only be better.

Slickrock wrote:But Cata is where I went to half-time SV spec, because of the removal of volley, and BM not having ANY viable sustained AOE.

Fixed that for you.

BM has, on live, the potential for very nice burst AoE. Explosive Trap + Bestial Wrath + Multishot until out of focus + Fervor + Multishot a few more times until Wrath wears off. The key word is burst--our best AoE damage relies on a couple of our big cooldowns and those don't last long.

Ziarre wrote:

Slickrock wrote:But Cata is where I went to half-time SV spec, because of the removal of volley, and BM not having ANY viable sustained AOE.

Fixed that for you.

BM has, on live, the potential for very nice burst AoE. Explosive Trap + Bestial Wrath + Multishot until out of focus + Fervor + Multishot a few more times until Wrath wears off. The key word is burst--our best AoE damage relies on a couple of our big cooldowns and those don't last long.

And don't forget adding Burrow and/or Froststorm Breath to that list. Burrow, in particular, has the capacity of adding a really impressive amount of AOE damage to your numbers.

Ah, yes, I forgot that since I'm usually not seeing extended AoE areas where it'd be worth the loss of single-target DPS to convince me to swap. Plus I like Chimaeras better than worms and Froststorm Breath is...well, it's work to use on live. Lots of tab-targeting to make the pet switch facing directions so the breath goes everywhere involved. XD; *loves that it's not a cone in MoP*

I used my worm or chimaera (depended on what I felt like) on Yorsahj during black oozes, usually just for funsies, because when combined with the BW-Multishot burst, the damage meter afterward would just be ridiculous.
Though when we attempted Heroic mode for a while I felt having the aoe pet was a necessity, but we always had a problem with purple ooze anyway.

Actually guys...

http://www.simulationcraft.org/504/Raid_T14H.html

All three of our specs are dead last. And in pvp we are worse..