GNOME HUNTERS!?!?!?

[Lisaara]

I for one love gnomes and see no problem with gnome hunters what so ever. They've already ret conned so much WoW lore that there's no reason you couldn't have a gnome hunter. *shrug*

I just don't see the point of telling someone that there's no way gnomes could be hunters when you never know what the future holds. Long ago I'd have said NO WAY NIGHT ELF MAGES? Nuh uh! Well they have them now so... Yeah. I know. Highborne but night elves would never have arcane magic users in their society in past expansions. So in my opinion nothing is impossible.

As you said...night elves had mages before...gnomes never had hunters. They built machines to do stuff for them. That's not stereotype, that's just what they do. I've yet to see a gnome in lore hate machines and love animals.

If they find a reason? Fine. But as it stands, gnomes have no reason to be hunters. They're much rather build something themselves than rely on something obsolete.

[zedxrgal]

Blizzard threw lore out the window LONG AGO when it comes to the races plain and simple. Undead would have forgotten all their prior human existence also technically. The only ones whom seem to remember are say characters like Sylvannas and Lilian Voss. And even at that neither show a single bit of love for beasts except to kill them for spells and potions. So lore is not a factor anymore by where the current game sits.
And when I mentioned pandas its because in my minds eye they're and animal race. Seems almost blasphemous. That was my point. A bear having other pets. They're not humans turned animal permanently or changed willingly. They're 100% and animal race. But that's just my thoughts on it.
But again. Lore doesn't seem to be a major factor anymore so I don't see why at this point in the game, especially given how techy goblin are (and they're a lot like gnomes mechanically if you think about it), that gnomes cannot or shouldn't be hunters.

[Silivren]

Blizzard threw lore out the window LONG AGO when it comes to the races plain and simple. Undead would have forgotten all their prior human existence also technically. The only ones whom seem to remember are say characters like Sylvannas and Lilian Voss. And even at that neither show a single bit of love for beasts except to kill them for spells and potions. So lore is not a factor anymore by where the current game sits.
And when I mentioned pandas its because in my minds eye they're and animal race. Seems almost blasphemous. That was my point. A bear having other pets. They're not humans turned animal permanently or changed willingly. They're 100% and animal race. But that's just my thoughts on it.
But again. Lore doesn't seem to be a major factor anymore so I don't see why at this point in the game, especially given how techy goblin are (and they're a lot like gnomes mechanically if you think about it), that gnomes cannot or shouldn't be hunters.

This is basically how I feel. They could easily give them a reason to be if they chose.

[Lisaara]

Well I respectfully disagree because of lore wasn't a factor, everyone could be druids and paladins. So please stop dismissing it. Lore is a factor and always will be even if you think it isn't for whatever reason. ^^; There is always a rhyme and reason for things. The only reason I thin gobbos got to be hunters is cause they're good at making deals....they do it with the elements too as Shamans. They don't care about the elementals well being. They just can make a bargain with them or something.

[Silivren]

Well I respectfully disagree because of lore wasn't a factor, everyone could be druids and paladins. So please stop dismissing it. Lore is a factor and always will be even if you think it isn't for whatever reason. ^^;

I understand YOU think so but I don't. I disagree completely. Worgen lore is horribly retconned from what it once was. They changed it all around and yet somehow you can be a worgen death knight which is cool but makes no sense. Add that to officially endorsed blizzard novels that kill off major characters who still exist in game and I have no respect for the lore anymore. Truthfully lore isn't a factor. It's their game and they've shown they'll bend the lore anyway they see fit. Besides you don't have to get rude with people who disagree with you because you think they shouldn't exist and then throw lore in their face when truthfully that can change any day. If you want to refer to lore there's no lore calling gnomes animal haters or saying they couldn't be hunters.

[Rawr]

*runs away*

[GormanGhaste]

You can't compare hunters to druids and paladins. Druids and paladins *do* have lore, involving specific organizations associated with them that would explain restricted racial access.

There is *no* lore saying gnomes can't be hunters. Yes, most of them wouldn't be interested. But not every member of gnome society is going to be an engineer. Trust me, a society like that wouldn't work. And not only will many gnomes not do work associated with machines, some of them just won't even be interested in machines. After all, if all gnomes cared about were machines, there wouldn't be gnome mages. Why use magic when you can use machines?

If you need lore about gnomes and beasts, how about Skyguard Khatie? She tames nether rays; what's more hunter-y than that?

[Nachtwulf]

My gnome warrior is no good with machines. At all. Whatsoever.

Her title is 'Percussive Maintenance Specialist' because, well, if it don't work, hit it with something heavy until a) it works, or b) it's time to get a better one anyway.

To be fair, she probably shouldn't be trusted with animals either. BUT THE POINT IS STILL THERE.

[Azunara]

I kind of wish they'd bite the bullet and do it GW2 style. Every race can play every class. Granted, making new druid forms could be cumbersome. But regardless, I think it'd be neat. You can make cases for every race, and cultural diffusion is a thing, just saying.

[Lisaara]

You can't compare hunters to druids and paladins. Druids and paladins *do* have lore, involving specific organizations associated with them that would explain restricted racial access.

There is *no* lore saying gnomes can't be hunters. Yes, most of them wouldn't be interested. But not every member of gnome society is going to be an engineer. Trust me, a society like that wouldn't work. And not only will many gnomes not do work associated with machines, some of them just won't even be interested in machines. After all, if all gnomes cared about were machines, there wouldn't be gnome mages. Why use magic when you can use machines?

If you need lore about gnomes and beasts, how about Skyguard Khatie? She tames nether rays; what's more hunter-y than that?

Doesn't she just tame them as mounts, not as attack pets? Since that's what the Skyguard does.... :O

As far as gnomes go with magic, they're intellectuals. The most intellectual class is the mage, thus that's why they're drawn to it. I think that sort of dates back to DnD style or somethin'.

@Azu - That'd be neat if they did, tbh. But as it stands, it's not the case so...c'est la vi.

[Castile]

I think restrictions add to the game tbh. I dunno maybe I'm weird but too much freedom is just not as fun as thinking "ok I want to be x class but I can be races ABC and not D hmm" I think it makes you really consider what class or race you want to play. I think it works ok for GW but I dunno how it would work in wow. (goblin druids eeeew!)

[Myrrmi]

I would love myself an engineer MM gnome hunter. She could even take the Lone Wolf talent, for all I care. Tinkering, people, guns. GUNS! And ingenious traps, of course

[SpiritBinder]

Oh I've got an awesome screen shot of when my engineering back fired and made me an AWESOME Female gnome on my hunter, I must remember to up load that sucker, she looks Uber Tech Savvy!

Ah! Finally found it

[Xota]

The playable gnomes in game are urban with no lore tradition of outdoorsmanship. Goblins are from a jungle island, so it's not exactly comparable. Of course, there's emancipated voodoo gnomes, they would have a tradition of outdoorsmanship. But they'd be a better basis for gnomish shaman.

I love gnomes, and playing a hunter is fun. But I personally don't think that every conceivable class/race combination has to be possible. There's some that shouldn't even exist (elven monks, I'm looking at you).

[Danielfboone]

Well I respectfully disagree because of lore wasn't a factor, everyone could be druids and paladins. So please stop dismissing it. Lore is a factor and always will be even if you think it isn't for whatever reason. ^^;

I understand YOU think so but I don't. I disagree completely. Worgen lore is horribly retconned from what it once was. They changed it all around and yet somehow you can be a worgen death knight which is cool but makes no sense. Add that to officially endorsed blizzard novels that kill off major characters who still exist in game and I have no respect for the lore anymore. Truthfully lore isn't a factor. It's their game and they've shown they'll bend the lore anyway they see fit. Besides you don't have to get rude with people who disagree with you because you think they shouldn't exist and then throw lore in their face when truthfully that can change any day. If you want to refer to lore there's no lore calling gnomes animal haters or saying they couldn't be hunters.

This is why, to me, the only lore that matters is what is in game. I have never read any of the novels and don't intend to. Reading them seems to reduce the readers' appreciation of the game itself.

I don't believe there should ever be Gnome Hunters, Undead Paladins, Orc Druids, or anything like that. I don't especially like that Goblins can be Hunters either but the rest seems okay. I do wish that they would have kept Paladins and Shamans faction specific though. Blood Elf Paladins? I still have issues with that.

[Castile]

This is why, to me, the only lore that matters is what is in game. I have never read any of the novels and don't intend to. Reading them seems to reduce the readers' appreciation of the game itself.

Interesting what you say about the books - if you haven't read them how do you know they reduce the readers appreciation? I only ask as i've read quite a few and if anything it makes me appreciate more things in the game knowing the backstories behind them.

"The Last Guardien" gave me a better understanding of Karazhan and the characters in it, "The Shattering" gave us the backstory of Anduin, Tuaren paladins and why Magni is in a crystal, "Tides of War" helped me to udnerstand Jaina and her rage towards the horde now (it is abit daft Rhonin is still in dalaran but I won't go into that) and currently "Dawn of the Aspects" is giving me a backstory to the origins of the Dragon aspects. I have no clue how in depth these things are explained in game but the books go into alot more detail than a questlog ever could.

[zedxrgal]

Oh I've got an awesome screen shot of when my engineering back fired and made me an AWESOME Female gnome on my hunter, I must remember to up load that sucker, she looks Uber Tech Savvy!

Ah! Finally found it

Now that right there is AWESOME!!! That's what I'm talking about! Gnome hunters could be such an amazing race /class. A steampunk gnome hunter would be badass.

[Nachtwulf]

I've never read any of the books either. On one hand, I can see how you can't flesh out everything in the game.

On the other hand, stuff in the books rarely REFLECTS in the game except in a very spotty and irregular fashion. (aka SHUT UP RHONIN, GOD, YOU'RE DEAD)... Also, tbh, 90% of what I hear about the books is bad. Poorly written, bad development, nana nana... on and on, so that hasn't made me too interested in them either. (koffkoffKNAAKkoff)

I suspect it's like the Star Trek books. Some were decent, but the rest were drek, and keeping track of what's valid and what isn't isn't worth the headache.

I personally think, if they're going to put crap in the books, make sure it ALL reflects in game. Yes, even if it means going back and, you know, changing crap. Because if I'm told Rhonin is dead but he's yelling in my ear every five minutes, it doesn't really do a lot for continuity.

[Castile]

As much as i agree with the Rhonin thing Nachtwulf we're also about to enter an expansion where the majority of the end bosses died eons ago with its timey whimey wibbly wobbly storyline so yeah they are about to do worse in terms of continuity lol!!

Christie Golden btw is a VERY good author so if you did want to read some of the books I suggest trying hers first. Knaak is often criticised but we aren't reading Booker prize stuff here so I can tolerate it as a Information Professional. Most popular books are actually very badly written (Dan Brown is a prime example) but their story kinda disguises it to a certain extent for the masses to be able to digest them.

[Royi]

I kind of wish they'd bite the bullet and do it GW2 style. Every race can play every class. Granted, making new druid forms could be cumbersome. But regardless, I think it'd be neat. You can make cases for every race, and cultural diffusion is a thing, just saying.

+1 internets


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