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But Ghostcrawler has already said that any buff they do to BM will not be to the pet but to the Hunter. They don't want to make BM pay even more of a penalty if the pet dies or is taken out of action then is currently the case.

I read that too, In some regards I agree, But that was also before they gave all pets avoidance. The number of skills and abilities that hunters and the pets themselves have to keep their pets up these days is so very numerous.
If you know a little pet management, it is really difficult to have your pet die on you.

If you can't manage to keep a pet alive as a BM I assume you cant manage to SpS a mob as a MM.

That said, maybe they should have a look at a demonology warlock? For some reason I can't recall them really complaining about loosing a demon and their dps going to poo. What is it that they have that works for them?

This makes no sense. The very fact that the other specs do have special shots makes them less of a "one shot pony" then BM is. BM is a 2 shot spec, Steady and arcane.

I purely ment this as
MM = Chimera ~+ SpS
SV = Explosive ~+ BA
BM = Pet ~+ AS

I know that each of these spec have a wide range of other factors/shots/rotations that can make the difference between skill and knowledge really show in your dps.

Now I'm not trying to start a flinging match Dan, just being devils advocate

I too Raid ICC, I am Duel Spec’ed, BM and MM. I was BM + SV before the amount of ArmP on the new gear was becoming overwhelming. I really love the fact that their are some fights that really favour BM. Really enjoy sticking it to those in the raid saying "You’re going BM? Isn’t that going to kill your dps?" and then out dpsing them.

I rather enjoy a little healthy debate, and if your here, you must be just as passionate about hunters and their pets as the rest of us.

Spiritbinder wrote:

But Ghostcrawler has already said that any buff they do to BM will not be to the pet but to the Hunter. They don't want to make BM pay even more of a penalty if the pet dies or is taken out of action then is currently the case.

I read that too, In some regards I agree, But that was also before they gave all pets avoidance. The number of skills and abilities that hunters and the pets themselves have to keep their pets up these days is so very numerous.
If you know a little pet management, it is really difficult to have your pet die on you.

If you can't manage to keep a pet alive as a BM I assume you cant manage to SpS a mob as a MM.

That said, maybe they should have a look at a demonology warlock? For some reason I can't recall them really complaining about loosing a demon and their dps going to poo. What is it that they have that works for them?

This makes no sense. The very fact that the other specs do have special shots makes them less of a "one shot pony" then BM is. BM is a 2 shot spec, Steady and arcane.

I purely ment this as
MM = Chimera ~+ SpS
SV = Explosive ~+ BA
BM = Pet ~+ AS

I know that each of these spec have a wide range of other factors/shots/rotations that can make the difference between skill and knowledge really show in your dps.

Now I'm not trying to start a flinging match Dan, just being devils advocate

I too Raid ICC, I am Duel Spec’ed, BM and MM. I was BM + SV before the amount of ArmP on the new gear was becoming overwhelming. I really love the fact that their are some fights that really favour BM. Really enjoy sticking it to those in the raid saying "You’re going BM? Isn’t that going to kill your dps?" and then out dpsing them.

I rather enjoy a little healthy debate, and if your here, you must be just as passionate about hunters and their pets as the rest of us.

I certainly am and I miss the days when we had to tame other beasts to learn their skills or just to upgrade our skills. That was what brought me to the Petopia site when I first started playing this Hunter 4 years ago. I am not trying to start any arguments either just add to the general debate. I was just saying that BM is the closest of the 3 specs to being a one trick pony and giving us our own special shot would alleviate that. It is my favorite spec and always will be because I like having a pet that is just as dangerous as he was before I tamed him and not resemble a cardboard cutout of his former self. MM would be my second choice because of the big crit numbers you see pop up but I don't like SV at all and never have.

My guild allows everyone to play as they want as long as they are not a total brick in a raid and I wouldn't have it any other way. We are pretty serious about our raiding but not to the point where the fun disappears and it becomes a job instead of a game.

allow bm hunters to have endless petstable just like mounts and vanity pets

Personally, I don't want the whole "control 2 pets at once" thing. Partly because yes, controlling 2 pets will be a nightmare, and partly because the ability will end up being described as "oh, they're just like shamans in that." I don't want a hunter of any kind to get described that way...I want an ability in each tree that is unique to the class. Marksmen aren't described as "just like another class" in their end-tree ability; neither are survivalists. I don't want beast masters to get sold short yet again, even if it's in the PR department. I have to spend enough time these days being called a "huntard" or having people say I'm "wasting their (expletive deleted) time lol" when I zone into a random with my devilsaur...I'd like a little respect to be given back to BM hunters in Cataclysm, please.

I always run my randoms as BM and nobody has ever said a word. The fact that I am almost always the top dps in the group probably calms any initial reservations they may have had. My gear score also is very high so I never get a complaint.

Perhaps we're on different battlegroups, then. Usually nobody says anything about it by the end of the run...but I'm just tired of hearing it when I zone in. I suppose it's the curse of a) playing an under-appreciated spec and b) hailing from an RP realm.

Hmm, I also run heroics as BM and so far I've never had a single comment about my spec-choice. I know I'm very obviously BM too, since I use my Devilsaur. xD

Voodoou wrote:Hawk first let me say. AMAZING siggy!

Thank you!

Hehe thank you

all thanks to the Siggy Master Karathyriel though!

The two pet idea isn't really that far out there. It is basically "Titan Grip" for hunters since we can't dual pistols or anything. The trick is just balancing the pets with a percentage of the hunters normal pet's dps. Managing your pets is part of the fun of being a hunter, so give that option to those who want it .

The army of the dead idea would be awesome, if a couple of factors alligned. First, my stables not full. I suppose they could just clone your regular pet if you just had one pet. Secondly, not all my pets in the stable are 80. Not all of them are speced. When it comes down to it, there's a lot more values involved when trying to pull from your stable to cast "army of the beast".

However, here's a counter to your idea... Stampede. It was the "horizontal starfall" of WC3 that the beastmaster class got as a special. A stampede of thunder lizards would appear from behind the char and explode for AOE damage. Translated to WoW, it could be a channelled spell that worked kinda like a targetted AOE. A long group of random generic pets (Rhinos, Lions, Giraffes, etc) appears behind the hunter and charge towards the target, exploding on contact with the target unless it hits something along the way, exploding sooner (possibly a knockback). Its kind of a mix between Channelled AOE, CoC and summoned pets... Generally you'd want to use it in situations where you had an whole mob of creatures in front of you. Because its targetted, you shouldn't hit the mobs behind where you want the damage to go except in the range of the AOE. The damage per hit could be comparable to Hurricane or Blizzard. Really, the only thing changing is the delivery system.

Another possible idea for a "BM shot" (which actually sounds kinda painful if you think about it) would be something like "Phoenix shot". Summon a small fire bird to ride your bullet/arrow into the target causing weapon damage + Fire DoT. The next 3 steady shots can add time to the DoT. Just something to make a BM rotation fun.

PS. Yes, I want a sig just like that

I think that doign this might make BM hunter a little too overpowered... not that there's anything wrong witht that, but others will complain... So maybe instead we could have the call stabled pet ability to have both pets out for 30 seconds before switching

has anyone considered that perhaps making BM a "mellee spec" like surv used to be? i would like the idea of pummelling a mob up close with my pet all BW'd.

Duggrim wrote:has anyone considered that perhaps making BM a "mellee spec" like surv used to be? i would like the idea of pummelling a mob up close with my pet all BW'd.

Well, I think Blizz wants to keep hunter a ranged class. I mean we have Rogue, DK, Warrior, Feral Druids, and Enh shaman as melee classes already.

It's like saying a mage can go melee now.

Did you never notice that Blizz made everything in a way so they can do everything?
I'm just waiting for the rogue-tank-tree, the warlock-heal-tree and of of course the hunter-clickwhatyouwantyoucandoeverything-tree.

This might sound like a joke but I've seen discussions to make shamans a tank-class already... *sigh*

Only we hunters, rogues and warlocks do damage and nothing else. Every other class can fulfill more than one role in a group.
Hm, the mages have to be put in that group too... So it's 4 DD only classes to 6 multipurpose classes.

Yeah, personally, I'd like a bit more variety too.

For example, every class can DPS, and since Blizz won't make levelling a tank easier, every time "HOW DO I LVL WAROR TANK LOLZ" pops up on the forums, everyone is like "DONT LEVEL TANK NUB USE LEVEL FURY INSTED LOLOLOL!!!". Personally, I'm sick of having to wait 30 minutes to get a group, just so some lazy person can level as a ret pally. Just my two coppers... And yes, I levelled my paladin as a tank. It's rather easy once you realize that you should AoE grind. Tank is'nt a role I feel confident with anymore, which is why I'm a healer/DPS now.

They've stated that each tree of pure dps classes are sort of "flavors" to just work to different people's play styles. I don't think that will change. Each spec is the same class hitting a different combination of buttons for comparable dps..... in theory. I think in LK they made Beast the "just for fun" spec that you level and kick around in and geared marks and surv towards min/maxers on purpose.

Maybe they knew ahead of time that this was the last "hunter as we know them" expansion and decided to swing towards what works best for now over what makes the class work best. I can't wait to see how they rebuild the hunter class.

I'm sorry,but something was said earlier that bristled me a little...and I'm paraphrasing here...

"Get BM just to tame Exotics?"

Um...no. I took BM because i knew that pets were a huge part of my playing style. Oh! And those 4 extra points for
taming your pet is soo s'mexy!

Really?! You took BM just to tame exotics? Sweet!.....But not all of us did.

I'm not sayin',I'm just sayin'


Kitairra

An easy buff to BM would be to let the exotic pets that only they can use have higher dps than the others. It should be just high enough to bring the spec close to what the others can do but not so much of a buff that every Hunter goes BM. They should do this especially for the Spirit Beasts. They are so hard to obtain that they should at least do more damage than a common garden variety wolf or raptor.

For some reason this thread makes me imagine rouges & warriors asking to have 4 arms.. only for a short time I already see too many people crying the hunter class is OP doing this would cause an uproar hehe it would be fun though

* also second to the comment on unlimited pet slots! yay