Killing Rare Tamables

[cowmuflage]

Well you should NOT feel bad for killing a tameable rare if you see it first you have the right to kill it no matter how much another hunter crys about it if you where there first then its your kill and they should not complain about it and like grow up my god some people give me shit for killing rares but i have all ways been there first both times i have killed big greenie king krush,

[Adam-Savage]

If I see one I would get the hunters to whisper me and I show them where the elite is. I know if I say in local chat where it is the hunters don't get there in time and someone will come along and kill it. It's happened before with king krush

[Acherontia]

Well you should NOT feel bad for killing a tameable rare if you see it first you have the right to kill it no matter how much another hunter crys about

That's pretty harsh. Yeah you have the -right- to do whatever you want, but it's a matter of being considerate.

I've helped so many other hunters to tame rares--I have recently escorted a res sicked lowbie to Hinterlands to get OCJ. They are always so greatful.

Point being: while you might have the 'right' to do something, I disagree with your urging other hunters to not feel bad about killing tameable rares. Some people feel bad about it and that probably reflects pretty nicely on their personalities. Others don't, that's fine too, but don't make it sound like us nice people are in the wrong plox. I'd personally side with that "other hunter crying about it."

Edit: if it was a joke/troll, apologies. I'm assuming it was a genuine post.

[cowmuflage]

SO im not a nice person for not telling people about the rare? what if i told a another hunter about the rare thinking they would tame it only to have it be killed? thats happend before. So YOU will side with the other hunter who sends me PMS full of insulting words just becouse i found the rare first? thats harsh.

Edit no im not a bloody troll and no i was not bloody "urging" others not to care was just saying they should not beat them selves up about killing a tameable rare and not to act like they don't respawn like lots of people do.

[Ungoro]

I've never been in the situation as Cowmuflage, but I know it can happen as i've actually read posts on Petopia about it happening before. Maybe you can attack it first, so if you /w a hunter and he comes down and kills it you get the loot? So the guy who's doing it wrong doesn't and won't always win.

Just a suggestion if anyone gets into those troublesome situations.

[cowmuflage]

That would work. I have lost trust in helping other hunters tame rares as alot of them just kill it if i wanted it dead i would of. I see no point in helping others tame pets now just not worth it my trusts been broken to many times.

[Acherontia]

I think the general attitude of "I don't help others because they don't help me" is lame, but that steps into an entirely new discussion of ethics, morals and social crap I really don't think it's worth bringing up

In short though, there's jerks out there yes, but I don't think that justifies becoming one. Nor would I stop trying to be nice to folks just because someone wasn't nice to me.

If I landed to tame Skoll and another hunter had just killed him, and their reason was "people are jerks so I see no reason to be nice, he'll respawn, get over it" I wouldn't be happy.

[Kastarakovski]

SO im not a nice person for not telling people about the rare? what if i told a another hunter about the rare thinking they would tame it only to have it be killed? thats happend before. So YOU will side with the other hunter who sends me PMS full of insulting words just becouse i found the rare first? thats harsh.

Edit no im not a bloody troll and no i was not bloody "urging" others not to care was just saying they should not beat them selves up about killing a tameable rare and not to act like they don't respawn like lots of people do.

...Okay that post took me a few tries to actually coherently piece together Oo
So, in a nutshell, you're saying that because people have been jerks to you, it gives you every right to be jerks to them, and subsequently all of us on Petopia and in the twin Petopian Guilds, for being hunters too? And if we "cry" as you so aptly put it, it gives you full rights to tell us to STFU and get over it just because you were told the same thing by another nameless jerk?

Remind me to never roll a toon on your server. You don't come across as a hunter I'd personally help either, given your attitude. If I've pegged you wrong, please correct me, you seem to come across as stand-offish in the majority of your posts, is all.

[Sarayana]

there's jerks out there yes, but I don't think that justifies becoming one.

This, a million times. If we all decided to be jerks because one person is a jerk to us, we'd live in anarchy. Your actions, whether in a game or outside it, should be guided by your own moral and ethical code, not other people's actions. Do unto others and all that.

So, in a nutshell, you're saying that because people have been jerks to you, it gives you every right to be jerks to them

The way I read it was more "they've been jerks to me so that gives me every right to be a jerk to everyone else." (Which is kinda what you go on to say, I just wanted to clarify it as I read it.)

[Adam-Savage]

That would work. I have lost trust in helping other hunters tame rares as alot of them just kill it if i wanted it dead i would of. I see no point in helping others tame pets now just not worth it my trusts been broken to many times.

If you have been let down alot then I can understand where your coming from really. You can only be nice so many times before you just give up I guess.

[Pawtrack]

SO im not a nice person for not telling people about the rare? what if i told a another hunter about the rare thinking they would tame it only to have it be killed? thats happend before. So YOU will side with the other hunter who sends me PMS full of insulting words just becouse i found the rare first? thats harsh.

Edit no im not a bloody troll and no i was not bloody "urging" others not to care was just saying they should not beat them selves up about killing a tameable rare and not to act like they don't respawn like lots of people do.

I can see you're frustration, but being a jerk back doesn't help.

"An eye for an eye and the whole world's blind."

[kamoodle5]

For the rares I've seen, I'll definitely mention it in guild chat to see if anyone wants him/her. If no one responds, General chat next. No response there, I'll just leave the rare alone to be content.

I used to kill rares without much consideration when I was new to WoW, but now, I won't even touch them. Even when I came across Krethis Shadowspinner inside the mines recently, I just took her picture then turned the other way to kill the other spiders needed for the quest items. That's a common spider skin, but common skin or not, that spider was a rare.

I have never been at a high enough level yet to encounter any of the spirit beasts or Krush to have that tough decision in either killing them for the achievement or waiting for a hunter to come by and tame them.

[Phyra]

Well those on Ysera know my policy regarding Rares. Hell. How many rare tamable mobs have I homed in the past few weeks?

About 20 Gondria,

7-10 Skoll

4-6 Arcturis

Even a Terror Spinner!


Frankly I always try and treat others how I want to be treated. I know that's how I got my alt hunter's first spirit beast. Someone contacted me that Gondria had spawned, and they were asking any and all hunters if they were interested in taming her. (Ash, I think the name was). I was so struck by the random act of kindness, tried to extend it and pay it forward on my own end.

Yes. There'll be dicks. But it honestly how you go about advertising you're sitting on something tamable. I usually will ask them if they're BM spec, or had any wish-list pets. I ALWAYS try and announce finds in the Petopians channel -- And since we announce it in the channel, we're able, usually, to have the spawn times to help others out too.

My own personal happiness is not about a 17-25 gold drop a rare can plop out, but the happiness of someone who tames something they've been pining for. Just yesterday, got a Solace hunter their first Spirit Beast. They had told me they hadn't expected to ever find a Spirit Beast ever.. and never even bothered to try any more despite being a BM hunter. I had found Gondria, poked them, and they have a new spectral tiger all their own. :]

Dunno. That's me.

I kill other rare types (non-tamable) on site... But namely because I'm working on Frostbitten and nearly have it on two alts now.

[cowmuflage]

So Kastarakovski I'm a jerk for not telling others about the rare and killing it my self? Sorry to sound angry ok but i'm a nice person when you get to know me I'm just sick of being told i'm not a real hunter for killing rares and not tameing them.
DO you know how much shit i get for running with a white plainstrider? theres a lot of ass hole hunters out there who think you must be shit if you don't roll with a rare/exotic. (its funny now that my white one IS one of the rare skins seeing as how many have the rare ones :S)

I don't tell others to STFU if i found out they wanted it well if they say it nicely but most people don't do that anymore they uesed to be nice and kind. If they asked nicely when i was attacking it i do useally stop but heck try finding one who does that. More times they just emote spit or start calling me names. I have had allys who do emote beg to make me stop and that works still again most times they don't. If i see them on caht asking for it most of the time i will let it live unless its a hunter i know who has had that pet before but let it go more than once then thats a bit greedy.

I'm not agasnt tameing rares nor do i hate people who do i do have that sand coloured tank bug from 1K needles i just don't like other hunters who act like killing one is unhunterish and that im a bad person for doing so thats all.

[Kastarakovski]

So Kastarakovski I'm a jerk for not telling others about the rare and killing it my self? Sorry to sound angry ok but i'm a nice person when you get to know me I'm just sick of being told i'm not a real hunter for killing rares and not tameing them.
DO you know how much shit i get for running with a white plainstrider? theres a lot of ass hole hunters out there who think you must be shit if you don't roll with a rare/exotic. (its funny now that my white one IS one of the rare skins seeing as how many have the rare ones :S)

Do you know how much shit I get for running with Gezzarak? With Rak'shiri? With Araga? In Heroics?
We have an ignore list for a reason, you know. Utilise its features, they're quite good really.

You obviously think there's only one type of asshole hunter. There's quite a few more out there than just those bastards. Take Praetorian Alliance on Saurfang - an entire guild whose hunter alts are DEVOTED to killing Aotona/Loque'nahak/King Krush on ANY hunter, Horde or Alliance, that gets there before their members do. Whispering them does absolutely no good. They consider themselves gods for having non-rare pets on the hunters they have. And will feverently go on the attack anywhere you pop up with the three Basin rares. Doesn't even matter if you're Horde, they get their point across. These guys plant alts in the Basin to watch the population when a rare is due to spawn. They have the achievements completed, mind, they just seem to adore getting a rise out of anyone who doesn't put them on ignore posthaste.

Do any of us here call you shit for having a white plainstrider? Where in any of my posts did I ever say that?
You have a right to be angry but not a right to treat us the same way you've been treated ingame, honey.

I don't tell others to STFU if i found out they wanted it well if they say it nicely but most people don't do that anymore they uesed to be nice and kind. If they asked nicely when i was attacking it i do useally stop but heck try finding one who does that. More times they just emote spit or start calling me names. I have had allys who do emote beg to make me stop and that works still again most times they don't. If i see them on caht asking for it most of the time i will let it live unless its a hunter i know who has had that pet before but let it go more than once then thats a bit greedy.

...okay, whut?
You're a hunter. You've had moments of panic doing rare tames, surely? No hunter has balls of steel, man or woman, going into a nerve-wracking tame. They're in the air, they get near the rare and there you are killing it. Acting nicely goes freakin' out the window when all they're consumed with is panic.

They just saw you put an end to the rare they've been camping for maybe a week or so, given the fact raiding times don't let them camp for days straight or whatnot. What are they supposed to think? To do? I'd be upset too. Their NPCScan goes off...and there you are...and there it is...dead. And half the time you don't care about it, as you've so eloquently pointed out. Are you saying they don't have a right to be mad at you because you're not of the mind half the time to stop killing it because, ohh, you know them, they've had it before and they don't deserve it again?

You're also saying that if a hunter wants to go after a rare pet more than once, maybe because they're rotating stables or are trying new specs or happen to be like us on Petopia Forums who are just trying to find that one pet for that one last slot to click with, you're not going to let them have that rare if you happen to get there first and are in the middle of engaging it? That it's considered greedy to let a hunter have that rare again simply because they've had the rare before and let it go numerous times previously? So if I were to go after Gondria on Laz, having had her before, now having more slots to keep her where she should be, you'd kill her on me?

Since when did having to let a pet go due to other unforseen circumstances give someone else the right to be judge, jury and executioner simply because having the pet once and letting it go is "greedy" in The Hunter's Coda? I must have totally missed that page...

I'm not agasnt tameing rares nor do i hate people who do i do have that sand coloured tank bug from 1K needles i just don't like other hunters who act like killing one is unhunterish and that im a bad person for doing so thats all.

You treat people the way you want to be treated, and if you're treating them badly...well, I'll stop there.
My two cents are done and this headache I have needs Panadeine.

[Kalliope]

Altogether too much hostility in this thread.

Keep in mind that servers are different and have different populations, so a player's actions on one server might be considered differently than they would be on another.

[cowmuflage]

I don't treat people here like that sorry. I only treat people who are mean to me like that when i ment about the hunters who have had them more than once i seemed to have not put that in the ones who seem to think cos there BM they can boss non BM hunters around when it comes to pets theres a lot on my server. Still sending insulting pms to someone just cos you are in a panic is not good no matter how long you have been camping. As ive said before i do stop if they ask nicely.

[Golden]

You're a hunter. You've had moments of panic doing rare tames, surely? No hunter has balls of steel, man or woman, going into a nerve-wracking tame. They're in the air, they get near the rare and there you are killing it. Acting nicely goes freakin' out the window when all they're consumed with is panic.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. When I had been camping for Krush for days pretty much non stop, when I finally found him alive, I spazzed. There was another Alli Hunter killing him, so all I could do was say, emote, anything... "NO!", as I felt that if I try to communicate in any longer fashion, Krush would be dead by the time I get my first message through. If whoever is attacking the rare is awesome enough to let him live, THEN I have all the time in the world to thank and worship them.

You can't expect an exhausted and shocked Hunter to be 100% polite and literate while you're 5 seconds away from taking the rare's life, at that point there's simply no time for that. The reaction you get at that moment says nothing about how they're usually like, or what kind of a person they are.

[cowmuflage]

Ok i atmit i do react wrongly on that topic but i do tend to act badly when someone insults me thats just cos i have been bullyed all my life that and Asperger syndrome >.> but they could atleast try and do an emote like maybe have a macro for that made for a situation like that i mean they should have at least a back up plan for something like this. I do useally stop and let them tame it if they do. Cept for that one time when i stoped and my serpent sting killed it anyway >.<

[Sarayana]

Ok i atmit i do react wrongly on that topic but i do tend to act badly when someone insults me thats just cos i have been bullyed all my life that and Asperger syndrome >.> but they could atleast try and do an emote like maybe have a macro for that made for a situation like that i mean they should have at least a back up plan for something like this. I do useally stop and let them tame it if they do. Cept for that one time when i stoped and my serpent sting killed it anyway >.<

I don't want you to think I'm attacking you, Cowmuflage... I just honestly don't think anyone that's camping a rare even considers that they'd need a macro to convince another hunter to not kill the rare they've been camping for... And honestly I disagree, I don't see why they should have a back-up plan for when someone is killing the rare they want to tame.

I'll be the first to admit I've killed tameable rares in the past - like many others in this thread have said, I didn't know better. Now I do. I know what it's like to look for Loque for 3 months straight without seeing even a tail tip. I'd probably have a melt-down if the first time I saw him (now after a year and a half with still no sighting, though that's not consistent camping) he was being killed. I'd panic and I'd emote /no, /beg and /stop because that's all my brain would allow me.

If there's one thing WoW has proven to me (not taught me - it's something my parents tried to instill me back when I was only trying to walk and talk!) it's that you will get what you give. If you're kind, helpful, and friendly, strangers will prove themselves to be the same to you.