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Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:46 pm
by Palladiamorsdeus
*Chuckles* No cure so far. Just something that allows you to control your anger. No more spoilers on that end though.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:38 am
by Dragon616
The quick answer is yes the curse can be spread to others through biting, but there is a quest in Silverpine that involves Crowley giving some of his blood to refuges from Hillsbrad that ends up turning them into worgen. Which is strange cause thats more of a vampire thing...

This is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/OMFGcata#p/u/12/OptWvYgn30U at about 3:35 is were you wanna play it from

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:14 am
by cowmuflage
Not really as curses can be transfured via body fluids any way vampireism is a curse just like a werewolf unless they made a pack with the devil.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:49 pm
by Dragon616
cowmuflage wrote:Not really as curses can be transfured via body fluids any way vampireism is a curse just like a werewolf unless they made a pack with the devil.
So its not a curse, but it is a curse? But seriously that sentence is a little confusing.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:04 pm
by cowmuflage
Sigh i said its a curse unless ur the one who made a pack with the devil ie dracula made a pack with the devil but anyone he bit got the curse. In that sentance i did not say it was not a curse i don't know where you got that from.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:36 am
by Kalliope
cowmuflage wrote:Sigh i said its a curse unless ur the one who made a pack with the devil ie dracula made a pack with the devil but anyone he bit got the curse. In that sentance i did not say it was not a curse i don't know where you got that from.
Might be that your wording in both sentences is a bit contradictory. :/

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:39 am
by Saturo
Let me try to clarify:
Dracula himself does not carry the curse, as he made a pact with the devil. Those he bites, however, get the curse.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:48 am
by cowmuflage
Saturo got it spot on. Me not good with engrish durr :S

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:25 pm
by Lazuly
Dragon616 wrote:The quick answer is yes the curse can be spread to others through biting, but there is a quest in Silverpine that involves Crowley giving some of his blood to refuges from Hillsbrad that ends up turning them into worgen. Which is strange cause thats more of a vampire thing...

This is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/OMFGcata#p/u/12/OptWvYgn30U at about 3:35 is were you wanna play it from
I'm confused, because I thought they had retconned it so that Worgen were originally wolf-form druids... does that mean that the other druid forms are 'contagious' too, then?

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:35 pm
by Saturo
Lazuly wrote:
Dragon616 wrote:The quick answer is yes the curse can be spread to others through biting, but there is a quest in Silverpine that involves Crowley giving some of his blood to refuges from Hillsbrad that ends up turning them into worgen. Which is strange cause thats more of a vampire thing...

This is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/OMFGcata#p/u/12/OptWvYgn30U at about 3:35 is were you wanna play it from
I'm confused, because I thought they had retconned it so that Worgen were originally wolf-form druids... does that mean that the other druid forms are 'contagious' too, then?
Right now all the lore is a big mess. But yes, the worgen were originally druids, and somehow, by biting people, the druids spread their shapeshifting-thingie somehow without the bitten people becoming druids.

It makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:39 pm
by cowmuflage
What are they getting rid of the dimenstion worgen lore? cos that is so much better than "oh they where druid forms".

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:40 pm
by Vephriel
Yeah, I'm really not a fan of the retcon they did on Worgen Lore. Sometimes retcons work and can mesh a story in a more believable way, but it's terrible how they've butchered what was originally an awesome and unique perspective on werewolves.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:53 pm
by Palladiamorsdeus
I THINK that the worgen that attacked Gilneas were different from the Worgen that were druids, but it amounts to the same thing. Except that the Gilnean attackers could infect other's through their bite, while the druid worgen couldn't. I think. Look, I'll be honest, it's a mess. I don't even know where or how Arugal fit's in anymore. Last I checked he was engineering worgen as a weapon, and was barking insane.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:53 pm
by cowmuflage
Poor Arugal :( they have messed his pets up.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:49 pm
by Lazuly
Okay, then this is the first retcon that I really don't like, then... was it really so vital that they make a new 'origin lore' reason for Worgen to be allowed to roll Druids? Why not just keep the 'other dimensional' Worgen story and just say that the infected humans were taken in by the NE and trained in Druid-ism after the fact (by using Goldrinn's influence to help them control themselves)? Plus then you'd still have 'native Worgen' and their world as another possible storyline to develop.

If they had done that, then the storyline wouldn't be all screwy and you'd still be able to justify Worgen druids... I mean seriously, this was just lazy.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:55 pm
by Palladiamorsdeus
And that reason doesn't even fit, since the humans of Gilneas can be worgen before they are even bitten. If that was the reason, then they took a massive retcon to do what poorly what they could have done with a bit of handwaving and lampshading.

By the way, Mania, I am going to get you backfor introducing me to that Trope site.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:46 pm
by Shinryu Masaki
I'm not that sure there is a retcon here, as we barely knew anything about the worgen's origin. Pretty much all that was said in game was that the characters thought they came from another dimension. However, during BlizzCon 2009, Metzen gave a slight hint at their origin. I don't recall his exact words, but it was something pretty close to "Do they come from somewhere else, or from somewhen else?", which I took as him telling us that the worgens weren't from another dimension, but from another time. To me it looks like Arugal and the Scythe of Elune summoned them from the past instead of another dimension.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:48 pm
by Lazuly
Still doesn't explain why they're contagious, though... unless Arugal was experimenting with 'copying' the Druid ability and ended up making some kind of magical virus version of them.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:49 pm
by cowmuflage
Well no as the lore says they ARE from another dimension. That quote you said could be read as them being from another dimension just as much as from another time.

Re: Worgan story question?

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:24 am
by Shinryu Masaki
cowmuflage wrote:Well no as the lore says they ARE from another dimension. That quote you said could be read as them being from another dimension just as much as from another time.
The lore? Well the in game characters say the worgens came from dimensional portals, but there's a good chance that those characters where wrong and that it was a time portal. I mean, if you really think about it, how can you be 100% sure that said portal is to another dimension? Heck, some players still believe that the Dark Portal just takes us to another continent on Azeroth...