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Saturo wrote:I don't think I'll even bother with my hunters in Cata. Warlocking and DKs it is for me. D:

NOoooooooooooooooooooo... /takes deep breath OOoooooooooo, you cant dammit, I forbid it ! ! !

If you even thinking about hanging up your gun, I'll... I'll ... I dont know what I'd do but I would throw a tanty the likes of which no gnome has ever seen, nor ever see again. My tanterous rage would boil so hard, I would kill all your kind if we couldn't keep the finest one ! ! ! ! ... safe to say it wouldn't be the same around here...

Yah if they keep this pattern up I will level up my hunter but for Raiding I think I will stick with my druid. The only hope I got is BM right now. Surv is even worse then Marks. There is so many PVP talents in there it's just stupid.

Gah does this mean i'm going to get shit for being MM if this comes to live? cos it sure sounds like it.

MM is the only spec i like and by what i am seeing its not the same anymore just poop. sigh.

Guys, quit QQing about BETA things. It's not set in stone. No point in QQing about any 'nerf's that arent even live yet.

Taluwen wrote:Guys, quit QQing about BETA things. It's not set in stone. No point in QQing about any 'nerf's that arent even live yet.

If no one said "I don't like this" then why would Blizz change it if it seemed like the community didn't care that X spec wasn't as good as Y?

they are not "QQing", there are rightfully worried about the spec they greatly enjoy playing! could things change? yes. could things change for the not-so-better? YES! there is a good PROBABILITY that MM, and even SV and BM, could be changed in a way that removes the enjoyment that the players had for the spec in the first place. i hope you guys are letting blizz know how you feel somehow, someway; blizz should know how their changes are effecting their customers

Give a little time to settle out. Right now they are just messing with the numbers. But feedback is always appreciated, and it does help. Don't just immediately ragequit over it, though. See where it goes.

AdamSavage wrote:I'm not liking Mark's at all right now. It's a messed up shot rotation that I'm still trying to get the hang off. There is just no way to use all the shots when there off cooldown because you run out of focus. Maybe if I can figure out a shot order I would test it out more but for now I'm sticking with BM.

There is no shot order, it's pure priority interspersed with Steadies to regen Focus to ensure you have enough Focus for whichever priority shot is coming off CD in a few seconds. It plays nearly identically to Survival at the moment, there's no real difference between the two in the sense that one is more orderly and one more chaotic, they're both chaos. BM is a bit more orderly right now which is quite attractive especially since it's also the highest DPS on the PTR.

Nimizar wrote:@Anansi: I'm puzzled by your comment about Focus Fire. The focus return to the pet is a sideline for this talent - the main element is the haste transfer from the pet to the hunter. At a 50 focus return, a lot of that focus would have been wasted anyway. Having it be 20 focus with BM balanced accordingly is far more reasonable.

You're right, I forgot about the Haste component, and I'm stubbornly having a bit of a challenge in getting used to the fact that Hunters want Haste now!

Saturo wrote:I don't think I'll even bother with my hunters in Cata. Warlocking and DKs it is for me. D:

Based on the current PTR, I have arrived at the following conclusions:
Hunter = Not Fun
Elemental/Resto Shaman = All Sorts of Fun

I'm pretty sure I know what my plan is for Cataclysm. I'll check out the PTR once the current beta build is up and see how the new ISS affects Marksman Hunters, it has the potential to be a massive improvement, but I want to test.

AdamSavage wrote:Surv is even worse then Marks. There is so many PVP talents in there it's just stupid.

Actually I find the Survival spec to be, in theory, more compelling, but the play style is terrible. Once access to Cobra Shot is available it'd be a bit better but it's still a chaotic mess.

Taluwen wrote:Guys, quit QQing about BETA things. It's not set in stone. No point in QQing about any 'nerf's that arent even live yet.

Things like damage can and will change, and it's beta/test for the very purpose of generating feedback, what you call QQ. But things like shot "rotations" will not change, it's the way Hunters play now and it's not just a beta thing. The way Hunters play in Cataclysm is *completely* different from the way they play on live now and it's not going to change.

I posted feedback on the PTR forums discussing the dramatic changes to the Hunter play style and specifically the lack of any sense of rotation and the priority system being pure chaos especially when coupled with a highly ineffectual UI. It was interesting to see how many other people agreed and for the WoW forums there was quite a decent discussion going for a couple of pages, which of course eventually got crapped on by the trolls.
Of note one of the issues was the incredibly clunky ISS mechanic and apparently Blizzard were thinking the same thing since they've altered in in the newest beta.
Point is, if everyone just stays silent then that's not helpful.

I think its rather good the Hunter class get opportunities for playing more specs

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Anansi wrote:

AdamSavage wrote:I'm not liking Mark's at all right now. It's a messed up shot rotation that I'm still trying to get the hang off. There is just no way to use all the shots when there off cooldown because you run out of focus. Maybe if I can figure out a shot order I would test it out more but for now I'm sticking with BM.

There is no shot order, it's pure priority interspersed with Steadies to regen Focus to ensure you have enough Focus for whichever priority shot is coming off CD in a few seconds. It plays nearly identically to Survival at the moment, there's no real difference between the two in the sense that one is more orderly and one more chaotic, they're both chaos. BM is a bit more orderly right now which is quite attractive especially since it's also the highest DPS on the PTR.

Nimizar wrote:@Anansi: I'm puzzled by your comment about Focus Fire. The focus return to the pet is a sideline for this talent - the main element is the haste transfer from the pet to the hunter. At a 50 focus return, a lot of that focus would have been wasted anyway. Having it be 20 focus with BM balanced accordingly is far more reasonable.

You're right, I forgot about the Haste component, and I'm stubbornly having a bit of a challenge in getting used to the fact that Hunters want Haste now!

Saturo wrote:I don't think I'll even bother with my hunters in Cata. Warlocking and DKs it is for me. D:

Based on the current PTR, I have arrived at the following conclusions:
Hunter = Not Fun
Elemental/Resto Shaman = All Sorts of Fun

I'm pretty sure I know what my plan is for Cataclysm. I'll check out the PTR once the current beta build is up and see how the new ISS affects Marksman Hunters, it has the potential to be a massive improvement, but I want to test.

AdamSavage wrote:Surv is even worse then Marks. There is so many PVP talents in there it's just stupid.

Actually I find the Survival spec to be, in theory, more compelling, but the play style is terrible. Once access to Cobra Shot is available it'd be a bit better but it's still a chaotic mess.

Taluwen wrote:Guys, quit QQing about BETA things. It's not set in stone. No point in QQing about any 'nerf's that arent even live yet.

Things like damage can and will change, and it's beta/test for the very purpose of generating feedback, what you call QQ. But things like shot "rotations" will not change, it's the way Hunters play now and it's not just a beta thing. The way Hunters play in Cataclysm is *completely* different from the way they play on live now and it's not going to change.

I posted feedback on the PTR forums discussing the dramatic changes to the Hunter play style and specifically the lack of any sense of rotation and the priority system being pure chaos especially when coupled with a highly ineffectual UI. It was interesting to see how many other people agreed and for the WoW forums there was quite a decent discussion going for a couple of pages, which of course eventually got crapped on by the trolls.
Of note one of the issues was the incredibly clunky ISS mechanic and apparently Blizzard were thinking the same thing since they've altered in in the newest beta.
Point is, if everyone just stays silent then that's not helpful.

No one said "stay silent" they said "QQ" about it at this stage is pointless.

Feedback: I do not like (this change) because of (this reason) and I'd like it if (this change) could be done differently.

QQ: This is HORRIBLE and I CANNOT stand it. I am going to (quit the game/reroll/delete my *class*) if (some unspecified and nondescript demand is not met).

The first gives useful feedback about what is not working and why. The second doesn't communicate anything but an emotional vent. Emotional venting can be a release, but it's not helpful as part of a beta testing process, and since things are not finalized it doesn't "make sense" to become extremely emotional *about something that is by no means set in stone.*

That is what is meant by "quit QQing about beta things." It does not mean "Stop providing feedback and opinions about changes that have been implemented so far."

Saturo wrote:I asked not to be flamed here, Quelthasa. Make a new topic named "The Hate Saturo Thread!", or PM me.

But yes, I hate that stupid little two utton spec just as much as you hate MM. I don't laugh at BM hunters who say "Buff BM!". Have fun laughing at me.

Well-put. Let's all be nice, everyone. Or this thread will turn into the Female Worgen thread. :/ I like SV's playstyle best, myself, though I adore my exotics too much so I love BM too. I don't have an MM spec currently, though my guildies don't let me raid BM they don't mind SV.
We can't have a Hate Saturo Thread. Naming and shaming, remember?

Class balancing sounds hard. I've decided that I don't ever want to work for Blizz.

Saturo wrote:I asked not to be flamed here, Quelthasa. Make a new topic named "The Hate Saturo Thread!", or PM me.

But yes, I hate that stupid little two utton spec just as much as you hate MM. I don't laugh at BM hunters who say "Buff BM!". Have fun laughing at me.

"The Hate Saturo Thread" xD

I was just joking, sorry. Eniway, flaming in my eyes is mocking a guy personally, even though you still sit behind each others comtuper etc. :p

Sorry again!

I'll leave now (my bus goes in 15 minutes!!! I'm in the city library xD)


I'll remove my input where I flame you, or edit it. Though you might want to remove yourse to avoid confusion.

Ah, okay. Just a bad joke, I see. I removed my post, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I have always loved BM most and BM has had to go through being the worst spec for a long time. While I dont think MM should be worse than BM (all should be equal), I do think you shouldnt be QQing because MM is worse than BM now (just be glad MM is still not the worst spec). There will always be a best talent tree sadly but not by much, besides you should remember the game is still in developement. But yes I think that how similar MM and Surv are atm is kind of stupid, all talent trees should be unique in their own way. IMO if I could have it my way all trees would be just as good and MM would not use a pet, Surv would have regular pets, and BM would have the best pets.

Saturo wrote:Ah, okay. Just a bad joke, I see. I removed my post, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Bad joke indeed^^


Cheers for Paladins and killing hunter Pets!


Also to make it ontopic I must say again, blizzard is working on the "Mastery" mechaniqthings, and it's there to fine out the specs, I bet it might be very balanced in the end afterall... Though I don't really know, I'll go back to my PvP cave and kill more Horde.

No Cpatrol that would be dumb not letting MM have pets. Just cos it would make more of those BM hunters that go "look at us we LOVE our pets but you don't cos your not BM!"

cowmuflage wrote:No Cpatrol that would be dumb not letting MM have pets. Just cos it would make more of those BM hunters that go "look at us we LOVE our pets but you don't cos your not BM!"

I would love not having a pet as MM. They could make it something like:
[Lone Hunt]
Increases your DPS by 6% when you don't have a pet active.
Then you could just choose whether to have a pet or not. Because as MM, bothering with the pet is usually a DPS loss.

KittyKat: Thank you. You summed it up pretty well. Thats exactly why I was saying "Quit QQing".

Lol, see what this place has come to! I leave for a day or so and come back and it's all a mess! /gives everyone mops and brooms to help clean the thread

Here, I brought apple crisp for everyone. =)