Involuntary WoW Burnout

[Dragonpuff]

Moonlost, it seems like you, me, and Kamalia are all a similar kind of people. We take the harsh critisism from people (over a game, people we don't even really know) too much to heart. I've reacted almost the exact same way to some situations. You know that maybe you're trying something a bit out of your depth, but you still want to try, and some jerk slams you for it. Then, you can't stop thinking about it, and it gets you down. D:

Like others here have said, the best thing to do is take a break. Heck, unless you need it for something else, don't even turn on your computer for a few days. Just relax, watch a movie, go out with friends and have a night on the town! Get in some RL fun to forget about the IG jerks.
Alts can be a good outlet too, but I'm a bit of an alt-oholic, and I play a bunch of them at regular intervals, so it doesn't work as well with me. XD

[Moonlost]

As for Marrowgar, what seems to be happening that's causing the wipes? Is it a tank dying? A dps in spikes? Does everyone seem to go down at once? What's the raid's gear like, on average? Just trying to figure out if it's gear, execution, or some combination thereof.

It seems to me to be a mixture of beign slightly undergeared for ICC in addition to having issues with parts of the fight. Specifically the transition between Stage 2 -> Stage 1 when Marrowgar resets his agro list. He seems to be able to kill one of our heals before our tanks are able to catch him, or he does his cleave thing and only one tank is there to soak it. Us hunters try to MD him tot he tanks just as he exits phase 2, but alas we're not always successful. Also we seem to have bad luck with flames and bone spikes.
As for gear, I think only a few of us are above 5k gs, I'm not too sure on that account.

Moonlost, it seems like you, me, and Kamalia are all a similar kind of people. We take the harsh critisism from people (over a game, people we don't even really know) too much to heart. I've reacted almost the exact same way to some situations. You know that maybe you're trying something a bit out of your depth, but you still want to try, and some jerk slams you for it. Then, you can't stop thinking about it, and it gets you down. D:

Like others here have said, the best thing to do is take a break. Heck, unless you need it for something else, don't even turn on your computer for a few days. Just relax, watch a movie, go out with friends and have a night on the town! Get in some RL fun to forget about the IG jerks.
Alts can be a good outlet too, but I'm a bit of an alt-oholic, and I play a bunch of them at regular intervals, so it doesn't work as well with me. XD

That is exactly my problem. Hooray for people who care too much! The thing is, I can deal with harsh critisism when it comes to much more important things (like my art). Being personally attacked? That's the crap I can't deal with even though I know it's just some stupid idiot.

Still, I've spent the past few days offline and been feeling a lot better about the whole thing... still not comfortable healing with my poor shaman with people outside the guild, but that'll come back in time too.

[Kalliope]

As for Marrowgar, what seems to be happening that's causing the wipes? Is it a tank dying? A dps in spikes? Does everyone seem to go down at once? What's the raid's gear like, on average? Just trying to figure out if it's gear, execution, or some combination thereof.

It seems to me to be a mixture of beign slightly undergeared for ICC in addition to having issues with parts of the fight. Specifically the transition between Stage 2 -> Stage 1 when Marrowgar resets his agro list. He seems to be able to kill one of our heals before our tanks are able to catch him, or he does his cleave thing and only one tank is there to soak it. Us hunters try to MD him tot he tanks just as he exits phase 2, but alas we're not always successful. Also we seem to have bad luck with flames and bone spikes.
As for gear, I think only a few of us are above 5k gs, I'm not too sure on that account.

Ugh. Healers shouldn't be getting aggro there. Your tanks need to really be on top of taunts. The MDs help, but in the end, it's the tanks' responsibility. If dps were pulling him rather than healers, I'd say it was a dps problem, but if it's healers getting aggro, it's definitely on the tanks.

As for the lash, you could try suggesting that the tanks put raid markers on themselves so they can keep together better. The offtank needs to stand right with the main tank at all times. I've actually done this fight once as an offtank and found it incredibly difficult to see on the first go. But with markers up? No problem!

All the tanks need to do is move slightly to the left and right during phase 1 to dodge the flames. That way, he really won't change directions and the dps/healers can all clump up behind him in melee range, which cuts down on the flame issues. Unfortunately, this positioning screws over hunters, since Marrowgar has a hit box to rival 20 devilsaurs. The solution is to sit as close to him as you can and move in closer to the melee on spike casts. You can disengage out if you're not the one targetted and if you are, then you'll get freed quicker.

It really sounds like a lot of your raid's troubles at the moment go back to the tanks, but hopefully they'll get the fight down with some more practice. Definitely sounds more like execution than gear, so you guys should get it once the kinks are worked out.

Glad to hear you're still healing on your shammy, especially in the safety of guild runs. Once you get a bit of practice and gear, you'll be good to go against the morons again and will have the experience to say with complete and utter conviction that they are the ones who are full of it and need to learn to play. Somehow, having the confidence to KNOW I have the high ground (and not just THINK I do) counters the idiots in ways my limited patience can only dream of. ^_^

[Noba]

You'll hear the whole spectrum from idiots to friendly helpful players... Most of it is that this is an annonymous internet game with little to no consequences. Some people feel they can say and do anything they want, no matter how inappropriate, and its "ok", cause they wont get caught or have to face up to their victim. On top of this, the US in general has an unfortunate trend of refusing to accept personal responsiblity. (See ridiculous law suits, slapping a title on a bad habit and calling it a condition) So it's not a surprise it spills into the game. A dps not watching his aggro (yes, its still your job to some degree!), blames the tank. The tank standing in puddles of death blames the healer. The healer doesn't heal unavoidable aoe on the dps, and blames the dps... And so on.

Ignoring and avoiding these people in the future is probably best. Getting into a fight isnt likely to accomplish anything if its just a pug. They're probably from a different server, and you'll never see them again.
You'll see everything from "without a doubt, the worst tank ever", to "wow thanks, best tank ive ran with in a long time".

Its just worse than most people out in the "real world", cause they'd be too ashamed to really say half the stuff to your face... In the game they feel they can.

[Sonata]

Personaly I have a hate/love relationship with Halls of Stone. Somebody always dies on the security system...always like the stairs in Halls of Lightening.
But yeah the best thing is to ignore them, but they even start to lower a groups morale, making people not want to continue...then you become stressed and frustrated, if goes to this stop...theres no point in doing something when you are half so ready to throw the screen out of the window.

EDIT: Yay for bad bad posting...half was supposed to go to another topic anyway.

[Kalliope]

Personaly I have a hate/love relationship with Halls of Stone. Somebody always dies on the security system...always like the stairs in Halls of Lightening.

Ha, I had a pug that lost two people on the stairs last night. It was completely unhealable; they blew up the pack on themselves. Thankfully, no one blamed me (I was on my priest). I know, it's not my fault. But that hasn't stopped people before.

The Brann event can be a real killer. It's one of the few spots I really have NO CLUE how to keep Divine Plea up in (it ALWAYS falls off between pulls, no matter what I do), so I oom sometimes as a tank. >_< Which means dodgy aggro. Which is bad. But people generally don't die, thankfully. I pool mana for crate, taunts, and BoPs, sometimes resorting to standing in the orange laser in phase 3 to make sure I take damage so I can get mana. I only do that when my health bar is full, my mana bar isn't, and the healer isn't stressed with AoE healing the rest of the party. (I'm looking at the arcane mages who do the same thing with bubbles/wards up for incanter's procs. Kidding. If a mage is smart enough to do that, they're generally not going to be sitting around taking damage.) It's very frustrating tanking that encounter as a paladin in 232+ gear. -_- Not taking enough damage naturally to keep getting mana through normal heals.

[Rhyela]

I have a priest alt I more or less did nothing but PvP on (from level 20-50) so I was doing pretty well at it. I had great gear for my level, knew what I was doing, could cast fast heals and think on the fly...people would whisper me and tell me I was doing a great job in healing the flag carrier and all this other stuff.

One night, I was protecting the flag carrier on the roof (original, I know). He decides to move down the ramp a little. At least two horde are there and they start attacking. Naturally, they quickly realize I'm healing and come after me. I run into the hallway to get out of LoS of the casters where an Ally rogue is by the boots fighting another rogue and pally. I have almost 0 life so I quickly heal myself, seeing that there are two more Horde that will likely come after me, then begin to cast some heals on him. He dies before I can get the first heal off. Then he yells at me in /bg that I'm a terrible fail disc priest that "just stood there" and let him die. Um...'scuse me? He was already practically dead by the time I turned the corner, and in no way was it my fault that he decided to take on two Horde by himself. Never mind the fact I had barely survived the last battle (which by the way, we could have used your help, moron), it's all MY FAULT that he died. Now, I know he was just one idiot that felt dumb for dying, and I happened to be the first poor sap he saw that he could blame his death on (I am a healer, after all, and it's my job to be omniscient and sense when someone's about to die when I can't even SEE them). But it only took that one moron to make me feel like a total trash healer, and I couldn't get over it. I still played my priest for a while til about level 66 and then just decided it wasn't my thing, and switched back over to my hunter. I haven't been blamed for any deaths on her...yet.

[Kalliope]

Zzzz. Just remember, the rogue probably didn't have health bars up and had no idea (nor did he care) that you had barely survived moments before.

Sheesh, if you're a rogue, you have SO MANY OUTS, IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY.

Pretty dumb battle for him to try and fight, heh.

[Athulryes]

In BC I was playing my priest and was holy and I had a tank get mad at me for bubbling him and he was a pally. Said my heals suck even though I didn't need much more then a bubble and renew to keep him up. Everytime I logged on my priest he reminded me of how much I sucked at healing, although previously to ignoring him after leaving mid-instance due to his foul mouth and childish behavour. It lasted about a month of him logging onto a random alt of his to spam me on how much I had sucked at healing whenever I logged on which made me stop playing my priest till only recently, over a year later :\

[Kalliope]

In BC I was playing my priest and was holy and I had a tank get mad at me for bubbling him and he was a pally. Said my heals suck even though I didn't need much more then a bubble and renew to keep him up. Everytime I logged on my priest he reminded me of how much I sucked at healing, although previously to ignoring him after leaving mid-instance due to his foul mouth and childish behavour. It lasted about a month of him logging onto a random alt of his to spam me on how much I had sucked at healing whenever I logged on which made me stop playing my priest till only recently, over a year later :\

Wow. >_< That's the sort of continued harassment that Blizzard might actually do something about.

What an idiot. If he was taking NO DAMAGE, how is it your fault? He was probably just mad that he had no mana and took it out on you. I'm soooo glad Blizzard changed a lot of those mechanics (ie. tanks getting rage through bubbles, etc.) in LK.

[Tahlian]

Yes, Blizzard most definitely would do something about that. Logging on to an alt to bypass an /ignore is a big no-no, especially if it's done more than once. If this happens, you should report it each and every time, noting the pattern of ongoing harassment and referring to the prior times you've reported the behavior and the alts you've reported, then put the most recent alt on ignore as well. The scurvy scoundrel may well find themselves taking an unscheduled vacation from WoW if they do something like this, won't quit, and you report it.

But to the topic of the post...I've had things happen like just plain having a bad group before. And I've had things happen that made me consider walking away altogether. But I've always worked through and come back to what I was doing. Either I'm a total addict or just having a hunter made the difference.

[Kalliope]

But to the topic of the post...I've had things happen like just plain having a bad group before. And I've had things happen that made me consider walking away altogether. But I've always worked through and come back to what I was doing. Either I'm a total addict or just having a hunter made the difference.

*points at your devilsaur*



My suspicion, anyway. xD