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Oops, I labeled the wrong town in that description. It wasn't Auberdine it was Dolanaar. The 3-4 NPCs that ride on tigers and give a quest for furbolgs; one used to ride a cheetah mount. I'll edit my post with the correct town.

WTB Aqua and Dread Sabers as the two new alliance mounts.

and having a nerdrage and saying "ALLIANCE NEEDS TO SUCK IT UP" doesnt really state your case. Blizzard's clearly trying to balance things a lot better this time around. The mount thing included.

Eh, knowing Blizzard, they'll cave to the crying and give the Alliance two more mounts to keep things balanced even though Mountain of Mounts is easily achievable. The Alliance got a completely brand new, revamped mount mechanic and all they care about is a loss of a gold sink. That's what irks me--so many people aren't even grateful that they got something totally new that the Horde don't have.

TygerDarkstorm wrote:Eh, knowing Blizzard, they'll cave to the crying and give the Alliance two more mounts to keep things balanced even though Mountain of Mounts is easily achievable. The Alliance got a completely brand new, revamped mount mechanic and all they care about is a loss of a gold sink. That's what irks me--so many people aren't even grateful that they got something totally new that the Horde don't have.

To correct you...Horde DID had Plainsrunning. It's not the alliance's fault that Blizzard didnt impliment it so the alliance shouldn't be punished nor be called ungrateful because it doesnt count as a mount. They gave the horde trikes. Alliance didn't get anything but ONE race that can run on all fours......

Also, the Horde is whining about the Worgen's running wild just as much as the Alliance is complaining about the lack of mounts. So....yeah....the whining is on BOTH sides.

Just thought that should be more clear.

Plainsrunning was never more than a broken mechanic that didn't work right, it doesn't really count in an argument.

It's only TWO mounts. It'll get balanced. If they had implemented the standard 5-6 mounts for the goblins, I'd say Alliance would have more to complain about it. As it is, it's only TWO and the Horde were imbalanced for a very long time. Welcome to the club.

Vephriel wrote:

TygerDarkstorm wrote: aren't being used as mounts. An NPC used to ride a dreadsaber mount through Auberdine, but they got rid of it some time in WotLK.

Aw, really? I never saw them, or perhaps just never noticed (not like I spent much time in Auberdine). I would have loved to see an Azzy mount. x)

I'm fairly sure that was a mount in Beta. Just didn't make it to live Vanilla.

Taluwen wrote:WTB Aqua and Dread Sabers as the two new alliance mounts.

and having a nerdrage and saying "ALLIANCE NEEDS TO SUCK IT UP" doesnt really state your case. Blizzard's clearly trying to balance things a lot better this time around. The mount thing included.

Except that's that Alliance said to Horde. For years. So when it comes back around it's funny. So yeah, Alliance will indeed need to suck it up for a bit. And if we're fortunate it won't be for anywhere near as long as Horde did. Because let's face it, it sucks for collectors.

I had 50 mounts before LK on a tauren. Out of 29 racial mounts I had access to 11 and was only able to get 4 out of 6 PvP mounts. That put me 20 mounts behind every other Horde race, and all other Horde races were 3 mounts short of dwarves and gnomes. So believe me when I say I know it sucks to be behind the ball on mounts when it's due to a racial or faction imbalance. And I sucked it up and ground out my Halaa tokens and Sky Guard reputation. As far as I knew Horde was not getting more faction mounts and tauren would continue to be limited in mount access.

As for nerd rage, you were the one talking about Alliance being gipped and coming back claiming people are caps locking orders for people to suck it up. You've stated my case for me.

Taluwen wrote:To correct you...Horde DID had Plainsrunning. It's not the alliance's fault that Blizzard didnt impliment it so the alliance shouldn't be punished nor be called ungrateful because it doesnt count as a mount. They gave the horde trikes. Alliance didn't get anything but ONE race that can run on all fours......

Plains Running is long removed and long replaced. It was problematic and a lot of people mentioned accidental face pulls in dungeons if you just happened to walk for more than 10 seconds. When worgen came around a lot of people went, "How cool would it be to resurrect plains running, fix the problems with it and give it to worgen?" When they ran up in to the deadline plains running is what they got. It's fun, and it's good racial flavor.

Wow, people are crazy up in arms over goblin trikes. How dare Blizzard serve a dish of Running Wild to Alliance while they give Horde two mounts on a silver platter. Oh, how dare they. What terrible favoritism.

But don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Alliance should not get two new mounts. Because that would be two more mounts I could get on my Alliance toons, and I am always for more mounts. It's not even clear why they didn't add them in to begin with, or why they didn't put in some already present assets in 4.06. I'm hoping that we'll see some data mined for 4.1 soon.

Or they put back the old retired epic mounts. More mounts for both sides, and it evens out the numbers between factions.

..Because I really want the garish red Mottled Raptor!
And Nightsabers for my Alliance characters!

Celi wrote:

Vephriel wrote:

TygerDarkstorm wrote: aren't being used as mounts. An NPC used to ride a dreadsaber mount through Auberdine, but they got rid of it some time in WotLK.

Aw, really? I never saw them, or perhaps just never noticed (not like I spent much time in Auberdine). I would have loved to see an Azzy mount. x)

I'm fairly sure that was a mount in Beta. Just didn't make it to live Vanilla.

I didn't start playing until late BC/Wrath and I remember seeing a NPC in Dolanaar riding this mount. As a player mount, no, it never made it, but a NPC did ride one.

Bah, guess I might be going crazy, swear I saw one as a mount, but there's no history of it on wowhead so I guess I'm wrong.

ninepillars wrote:

TygerDarkstorm wrote:To correct you...Horde DID had Plainsrunning. It's not the alliance's fault that Blizzard didnt impliment it so the alliance shouldn't be punished nor be called ungrateful because it doesnt count as a mount. They gave the horde trikes. Alliance didn't get anything but ONE race that can run on all fours......

Plains Running is long removed and long replaced. It was problematic and a lot of people mentioned accidental face pulls in dungeons if you just happened to walk for more than 10 seconds. When worgen came around a lot of people went, "How cool would it be to resurrect plains running, fix the problems with it and give it to worgen?" When they ran up in to the deadline plains running is what they got. It's fun, and it's good racial flavor.

Wow, people are crazy up in arms over goblin trikes. How dare Blizzard serve a dish of Running Wild to Alliance while they give Horde two mounts on a silver platter. Oh, how dare they. What terrible favoritism.

But don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Alliance should not get two new mounts. Because that would be two more mounts I could get on my Alliance toons, and I am always for more mounts. It's not even clear why they didn't add them in to begin with, or why they didn't put in some already present assets in 4.06. I'm hoping that we'll see some data mined for 4.1 soon.

Or they put back the old retired epic mounts. More mounts for both sides, and it evens out the numbers between factions.

..Because I really want the garish red Mottled Raptor!
And Nightsabers for my Alliance characters!

You incorrectly quoted me there. That quote with my name in it is Taluwen's quote, not mine.

Hmm, I think it'd be nice...granted sabers are primarily alliance because night elves have such a close tie to them.. I miss the old retired white and black sabers though I dont believe either side needs to "sit and stew" I like Running Wild on my worgen well enough but.. I would have been even more excited if the warboar mount had come to exist.. I fell in love with it when the concept art was released and really wish they did implement it. But that is my opinion and I'd like both sides to be as equal as possible.

I think carriages for the worgen would be badass.

TygerDarkstorm wrote:I think carriages for the worgen would be badass.

Oh those too! Gypsy caravans...drawn by..WARBOARS!...now that..that I want

this is something that has bothered me for awhile:

horde in cata:
two new awesome trikes (and the feel of a chopper without spending 16k)
remaining access to sprite darter hatchlings which alliance no longer have
the ability to just waltz in and buy a withers when alliance have to complete most of a zone's worth of quests to get it
much better quest reward gear for lowbies (90% of best in slot gear from quests are horde only, check a twink forum)
better, more fun, more engaging quest design in general
your wintersaber "equivalent" takes like a month's worth of dailies vs a soul sucking grind from hell that everyone hates that alliance have to do
a major city that has a much more comprehensive and convenient travel system to the other cities (zeps)
access to what is arguably the coolest and most fun transforming item in the game (wizard hat) that cannot even be kept through faction transfer

so uh, yeah. if something like aqua frostsabers is ever implemented, alliance only please.

that said, omg caravans would be the coolest thing everrrrrr

Vetiver wrote: remaining access to sprite darter hatchlings which alliance no longer have
the ability to just waltz in and buy a withers when alliance have to complete most of a zone's worth of quests to get it

The Alliance were the only ones able to get the Sprite Darters, peroid, for the majority of the mini-pet's existance. Horde wasn't able to get it until mid-WotLK. Plus, I'm sure Blizzard's already working on a way for the Alliance to get it back again, just like how they re-implemented the Worg Pup and Smotherweb Hatchling

As for Withers, we can't just "waltz right in" to an Alliance zone, even a "lowbie" one, without said lowbies crying "Horde!" and sending all their level 85 friends in for a gank-fest. Also, if you try to get Withers on a lower level toon who doesn't have flying yet, Darkshore is the biggest pain in the ass to navagate in the entire game, IMO. Waltz indeed!

Vetiver wrote: much better quest reward gear for lowbies (90% of best in slot gear from quests are horde only, check a twink forum)
better, more fun, more engaging quest design in general

Again, I see this as the Horde finally getting evened out. I played both sides pre-Cata, and the Alliance had, in general, a lot more lore behind their low level quest lines than the Horde ever did. Contrast the old line that used to lead from Thousand Needles into Razorfen Kraul, where allies had to find a dwarf ledger, got an entire story behind it and led to a wounded night elf npc at the end of the dungeon, compared to the Horde just finding a goblin there and escorting him out, no explanation as to how he got there in the first place. Night elf and Draenei starting quests had a real rpg feel to them, compared to gathering endless animal parts in the Barrens (where the Crossroads was almost constantly under attack).

Vetiver wrote: your wintersaber "equivalent" takes like a month's worth of dailies vs a soul sucking grind from hell that everyone hates that alliance have to do

You also had 4 more years in which to do your oh-so hated rep grind.

Vetiver wrote: a major city that has a much more comprehensive and convenient travel system to the other cities (zeps)

Believe me, when you compare the 15-20 minute wait for the Zepplin between Orgrimmar and Thunder Buff to show up, compared to the convienence (and coolness) of the Stormwind/Ironforge tram, there's no contest.

Vetiver wrote: so uh, yeah. if something like aqua frostsabers is ever implemented, alliance only please.

I'm glad you don't speak for the entire Alliance.

TygerDarkstorm wrote:You incorrectly quoted me there. That quote with my name in it is Taluwen's quote, not mine.

Sorry! T_T

ninepillars wrote:

TygerDarkstorm wrote:You incorrectly quoted me there. That quote with my name in it is Taluwen's quote, not mine.

Sorry! T_T

No worries. I saw that and was like...wait, I wasn't trying to use Plainsrunning as a counter point to Running Wild. XD

Cassandris wrote:

TygerDarkstorm wrote:I think carriages for the worgen would be badass.

Oh those too! Gypsy caravans...drawn by..WARBOARS!...now that..that I want

This would actually be a pretty cool equivalent to the trikes. Just do one slow one and one fast one. Then profit!

TygerDarkstorm wrote:Plainsrunning was never more than a broken mechanic that didn't work right, it doesn't really count in an argument.

It's only TWO mounts. It'll get balanced. If they had implemented the standard 5-6 mounts for the goblins, I'd say Alliance would have more to complain about it. As it is, it's only TWO and the Horde were imbalanced for a very long time. Welcome to the club.

Imbalance is imbalance, no matter which way the scale tip or by how much. Cant give one kid 2 pieces of candy and another just 1. Causes a whole crapload of problems.

@ninepillars: I'm sorry but I wasnt nerdraging. Only reason any hordies are saying alliance need to suck it up is because either A)Cause you had injustice that wasnt the alliance fault or B)You enjoy having the mount advantage. So sorry.....I'd say it's the horde having an issue cause they dont want alliance to be even with them. That's how it's always been, even when Alliance had more mounts. Alliance didnt want Horde to be even. Now the scales have tipped.

The sad thing about all the Alliance bitching is that you KNOW Blizzard will fix it; it's part of their track record and during WotLK they made it more apparent they want to keep things even. Don't cry over spilt milk that you know is going to get cleaned up.

@ that entire post that quoted mine line by line:

it's only "fair" to people who have been playing since day one. what about all the new people? it's kind of bullshit to proclaim uneveness to be "fair" because of things in the past. things in the past do not exist for or matter to anyone coming to the game today, and if you in turn say that you don't care about new players, then i don't know what to say to that lol.

i see your point about darkshore only where it pertains to pvp servers. on pve servers where you will not get ganked, if it takes someone hours to get across a zone then i have no idea how they are travelling. maybe taking one step every five minutes? just does not compare to having to most of the way complete the zone on every character you want the pet on, which by the way includes navigating back and forth all over the most headache inducing zone in the game on foot. i have made the run to buy this pet on a level 1 horde banker alt and two 19 horde twinks...it's really not that bad.

i could point out some other things, but that would be silly. i am really not trying to argue horde vs alliance here. that is for people who care about made up factions to do. besides, i play both. what i care about is everything being equal, and right now the scales are tipped in your favor.

(side note for horde - you guys have no idea how much it sucked to be alliance the day after the shattering. i logged on to my horde hunter to pick up the new city tabards and it was like christmas day in orgrimmar with all the hard core overachievers already zooming around the city on their shiny new trikes, and everyone being able to turn into goblins ahead of time with their cool new wizard hats, or running around with their withers pets that no one alliance side had yet since it involves hours of questing. my server is one of the original servers, and is full. so i was literally seeing hundreds of people participating in this. then i got to go back to my main and do the same old same old knowing that everyone on the other side had just been loaded down with fun new gifts that i couldn't have any of. my only consolation was that the goblin tabard is much less good looking/armor coordinating than the gilneas one lol)