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Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:31 am
by Vephriel
Bubu wrote:IS it last (today) hotfix and there is no more "Ghost Wolves" in Ashenvile?
At least I can't see any... They r all gray even without any "ghost" effect in both wild or after taming
They don't become ghost wolves until you damage them a bit.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:27 am
by Nyalia
Posted this in the Blue-Mist Carrion Ghost thread already but adding it to this generalized pet list thread as well.
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If you tame this pet with the full aura and let it die/die yourself, it does not revert to the "plain" appearance. There is actually a "half" aura stage that results, fainter than the fresh one but noticeable compared to the standard tame result. The bird retains a fainter aura around the torso/wings but loses the undearneath aura.
Full aura -> Post-death aura -> no aura
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:38 am
by Agravaine
Vephriel wrote:Bubu wrote:IS it last (today) hotfix and there is no more "Ghost Wolves" in Ashenvile?
At least I can't see any... They r all gray even without any "ghost" effect in both wild or after taming
They don't become ghost wolves until you damage them a bit.
Yep. They still do, I got mine 15 minutes ago after many tries. Thanks to everyone who tested it... and here's hoping they'll be grandfathered in.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:58 am
by Acherontia
Right. Some of you might hate me for this, but I've posted on the EU in-game support forums asking about this method and whether it's an exploit--and if so, if people can get in trouble for it. I've also mentioned which pets are buffed with damage buffs, explained that the buff is cleared upon death, and explained how to fix the exploit if it is one.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/981629642#1
The reason I've done this is because there's been a lot of concern about whether we're gaming the system, and I admit I have a nagging feeling of unease now. I'd rather clear the air and find out for sure (for all of us) rather than get people in trouble down the line. I think this is the right thing to do one way or another, although it might lose us the pets--I think otherwise we'd lose them anyway, and here I'm trying to give alternative methods of fixing that don't utterly remove the pets.
Unique Pet Tames - Exploit or Not?
Recently the I found a way to tame pets that have appearance buffs. The hunter community has known about some of these pets for a long time, and there's been plenty around--the oil-coated wolf, for example. The recent method allows us to tame pets with glow effects, spark trails, fire shrouds etc. We've been testing them pretty extensively and I think we've found them all. The problem is, one or two of them are actual damage-effecting buffs.
* These buffs (both of the damage ones and most of the appearance ones) disappear upon pet or hunter death.
* These buffs ALL clear upon entering arena.
* Buffs with timers still obey their timers, dissipating after the timer is up.
This rather limits the actual "exploitability" of the pets, but I (and the other hunters) would still like to know if this is an exploit, and if the pets will be removed--and for that matter, is it possible to get into trouble for this?
The tames are being done merely for "catchy" appearances, and they do clear upon death, but it's still worrying some of us that we might be doing something wrong here, since it's probably not an intended mechanic.
Incidentally, if a dev reads this, DOES consider it an exploit and wants to fix it (assuming a hotfix isn't already ready), they can be fixed by...
* Removing the PetAbandon() script. This would leave previously tamed pets in game but remove the ability to tame more with this method.
* Clear all pet buffs/debuffs (in the ARENA way) every time a pet is stabled or the player logs.
* Put timers on the buffs of the following pets: Blighthound, Tainted Bat/Spider/Bear from Blasted Lands, Spiteflayer. This would fix just the damage-buffed pets.
If a GM wants to ask me about the exact method, feel free to do it here or in-game. I'm hesitant to post it without prompting in case it IS considered an exploit--don't want to get people in trouble.
Thanks for any info you can give!
~Acherontia
That said, I don't think they read the EU forums anyway -.-
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:59 am
by Vephriel
I think it's a good idea Acherontia. They're going to know about it at some point if they don't already, might as well be up front about it.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:01 am
by Acherontia
I hope you're right. I don't want a ban, and I can certainly remember how upset I was logging in to find my worgen had become a white wolf : /
If any of you are on the US support forums, feel free to copy/paste the post. I imagine you'll get a response faster lol >.<
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:03 am
by Kalliope
Good plan, Ach; it's a show of good faith, really.
Keeping fingers crossed for positive news!
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:17 am
by Ceramicrain
Acherontia wrote:I hope you're right. I don't want a ban, and I can certainly remember how upset I was logging in to find my worgen had become a white wolf : /
If any of you are on the US support forums, feel free to copy/paste the post. I imagine you'll get a response faster lol >.<
I copied your post and put it in the Hunter Forums and the Customer service forums for the US. Im also worried about it being a problems since I myself have tamed a few already.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:22 am
by Cialbi
Funny; I was considering sending you a PM suggesting that you do just this, Acherontia. You did figure out the method that enabled Zwiggy's exploits, so coming clean should be the best insurance against you being punished. Not that you are likely to get punished; rather, I was simply worrying.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:31 am
by Acherontia
Tbh I think Zwiggy was trying to point out that it was an exploitable method, not bragging--if he was bragging, then bah to him. In any case, I'm not worried about being punished because someone else exploited--I'd be worried because I was the one who found it and blatantly posted about it
Granted, it's not a huge deal gameplay-wise (even if you DID nab something with a buff, the first time it dies, poof gone--and it's not max level anyway, which won't put it above a normal 80 version by much if at all)--but I was still a bit worried.
Thanks for copying over to the US forums by the way!
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:39 am
by Cialbi
Posting these so that we can keep an eye on them:
Customer Service thread;
Hunter Forum thread
Good job on posting these, but you may want to give the credit (and blame) to Acherontia. You may very well wind up with a GM contacting you instead of her
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:52 am
by Acherontia
Cialbi wrote:Posting these so that we can keep an eye on them:
Customer Service thread;
Hunter Forum thread
Good job on posting these, but you may want to give the credit (and blame) to Acherontia. You may very well wind up with a GM contacting you instead of her
Actually, that's a good point. You may want to include a "copied from -link- on EU forums" or something like that, just in case!
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:01 am
by Ceramicrain
Yeah i edited them to say that i copied the post upon your request into the US forums and posted the link to your original post.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:03 am
by Grigg
I haven't tested all the pets for this yet, but I can confirm that my Angered Arakkoa Protector does in fact retain his blue mist even after dying.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:20 am
by thorazyn
Edited: False alarm, my bad. Flaming boar is still extant. Enjoy!
Looks like they've hotfixed the flaming Armored Battleboars
Mine disappeared from an active pet slot, and attempting the tame/quest again, the flames looked different in the trough, and the tamed pet did not retain the appearance buff.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:26 am
by ummeiko
That's odd. After reading your post, I checked my boar and it's still flaming as usual. Though it might be one of those "requires realm restart" hotfix because Illidan hasn't been restarted.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:28 am
by Acherontia
I'm not sure Thorazyn, but my battlegroup was restarted a bit earlier, and my flaming boar is still here and, well, on fire
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:30 am
by thorazyn
Hm, maybe I'll keep trying. The tamed (and named) fiery boar definitely went away, although the other pets I've tamed seem fine. Tried taming it again through the quest but it seems bugged (buggier?) now -- boar comes out as non-buffed, or doesn't respond to call pet at all.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:49 am
by WildcatTM
I too still have my flame. I think the flame boar is the coolest one so far.
Re: How To: Tame Pets With Appearance Buffs
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:51 am
by thorazyn
Huzzah, Brisket is back! Perhaps my cat (or I) accidentally hit the petabandon macro. Although I now have a bugged level 4 boar in my stable that I can't summon or abandon... Hm.