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Acherontia wrote:I actually admire you for speaking out against the majority on behalf of morality Warfish.

I just don't think the hostility is warranted, as nobody is losing anything due to this.

A group hug would be nice

Absolutely. /hug

I want to assure you, I'm rarely truly hostile even if my writing style often appears to be. I'm the worst of worsts, an interweb debate hound. Hell, on this one, I myself tamed the Sword-headed Lone Hunter (although I'm thinking I may actually like him/her better without the spectral wounding tbh, not quite sure yet), so I'm a exploitive hypocrite of sorts myself .

I tend to agree with you, the damage done overall is minimal if even that, it truly is in the vast majority "skin deep". Assumedly, they'll patch out the Pets or the Buffs or Macro, preferably just the Macro so everyone can keep their lovlies, and probably leave it as is. And I would doubt you'd face anythign like a ban (my op here was honestly meant as tongue-in-cheek, till the "silence you!" posts came in reply, rising my interweb hackles if you will).

In any event, like I said you did a ton of work and was quite ingenious, no debate or issues on that point, and for that you should get credit. I do understand your point about credit for an idea being absconded, but sadly thats often the way of things in more than just the interweb.

There we go ^.^ /applaud

Warfish wrote: Sword-headed Lone Hunter (although I'm thinking I may actually like him/her better without the spectral wounding tbh, not quite sure yet)

And to utterly derail this--same. I can't decide whether it looks like he's in desperate need of medical attention I'm wanting to spam mend pet on him, so I doubt I'll have him for a pet >.<

Acherontia wrote:

Warfish wrote: Sword-headed Lone Hunter (although I'm thinking I may actually like him/her better without the spectral wounding tbh, not quite sure yet)

And to utterly derail this--same. I can't decide whether it looks like he's in desperate need of medical attention I'm wanting to spam mend pet on him, so I doubt I'll have him for a pet >.<

Of course he's in desperate need of medical attention! He has a sword sticking through his head for goodness sakes!

Just wanted to post a thank you to all who figured this out. Got my jet black wolf (Blacky), my jet black owl (Stormcrow), and my Sword-Impaled ghost wolf (Spike) yesterday afternnon and I am quite happy with them.

Not going to bother with the 'hardcore' models, but very happy to add to my stable of odd pets (like my Hydralisk).

Thanks again.

Well, first of all Acherontia, a tip of the hat to you for all your hard working developing a new tame method. And, since it hasn't led to illicit world achievements, justice point earnings or the like, I can't seriously imagine you receiving any sort of reprimand for this from Blizzard, let alone a ban.

Acherontia wrote:* Removing the PetAbandon() script. This would leave previously tamed pets in game but remove the ability to tame more with this method.

THIS however, I seriously hope does NOT get implemented. The PetAbandon() script command is a nice little convenience tool for all hunters and I hope (I think) that Blizzard realizes sacrificing it to prevent a few hunters running around with a sword impaled wolf would just be frankly lazy and hamfisted overkill on their part...

Worba, why would anyone normally need a macro to abandon their pets? Its not something you do every minute!
Im sorry if im wrong but you make it appear to me like you are saying that

Grrr. In my attempt to find a cat with a special effect I've been trying to figure out a way to tame the Frost Leopard's while under the "Zzz" effect during the "Tail's Up" quest in Zul'Drak. After about 45 minutes I just flat don't think it's possible with this mob/effect combo.

Shooting the mob in order to put it to sleep is a projectile and has a travel time, but once it hits, it makes the mob an invalid target. So even with the perfect shot/tame timing, the mob goes to sleep and the tame is canceled. On the flipside, you can't fire your gun at a Frost Leopard if they are in combat, ie taming or trapped.

Oh well, I'll keep looking.

If doing anything that cannot be done “under normal circumstances” is an exploit then I would like to get the following “exploits” removed from the game.

Kara Chains macro: Under normal circumstances most people can’t target the chains fast enough.
Vash Toss macro: Under normal circumstances you cannot open your bag and toss the core fast enough.
Bite Macro: Without perfect timing you cannot maximize your DPS and then bite someone.
Stopcast Macros: No amount of timing can help you stop cast.
Macros that activate abilities that are not on your UI: You need to open your spell book like everyone that does not use a macro.
NPC scanners: Roll a class that can track or visually track the pets just like other people that don’t use addons.

“Only Sith deal in absolutes.”

Or we can just point out the pets that need to be made untameable or given a timed buff so that what NEEDS to be fixed can be.

Well, the main use used to be to implement a BW, Abandon Pet, Tame macro for pets who hit hard & fear--but with BW having no immunity, there's not much use anymore for it

Griffley wrote:Worba, why would anyone normally need a macro to abandon their pets? Its not something you do every minute!
Im sorry if im wrong but you make it appear to me like you are saying that

Griffley... most of the script commands are not things you do "every minute" - does that mean they are less useful or should be dropped?

Not sure how often you use scripts or macros, but there are a lot of players who care very much about API and LUA.

Acherontia wrote:Well, the main use used to be to implement a BW, Abandon Pet, Tame macro for pets who hit hard & fear--but with BW having no immunity, there's not much use anymore for it

Other than ancient hysteria, you mean?

Rienen wrote:Grrr. In my attempt to find a cat with a special effect I've been trying to figure out a way to tame the Frost Leopard's while under the "Zzz" effect during the "Tail's Up" quest in Zul'Drak. After about 45 minutes I just flat don't think it's possible with this mob/effect combo.

Shooting the mob in order to put it to sleep is a projectile and has a travel time, but once it hits, it makes the mob an invalid target. So even with the perfect shot/tame timing, the mob goes to sleep and the tame is canceled. On the flipside, you can't fire your gun at a Frost Leopard if they are in combat, ie taming or trapped.

Oh well, I'll keep looking.

yea, my friend tried the same thing with the sleeping lions in the Barrens, no luck. I dont think the sleeping effect lasts through because it dissapears upon movement. I still thank you for trying to find a cat though, I cant find any myself /still wants one <3

Ollof, there's a crucial difference here based on your definition of "exploit."

An exploit requires that a bug/glitch is being abused.
In all of your examples, macros and /commands are what are being utilized, which is perfectly legitimate, if a little unsportsmanly.

With these pets, the bug comes into play with allowing a buff or visual effect to remain upon being tamed, which is a bug in the system being exploited for a permanent(or temporary in some cases) pet with said visual effect.

There's a demonstrable difference.

Acher won't be banned for this.

No one who finds the exploit is banned unless they're also discovered to be abusing the exploit massively.

Taso wrote:Acher won't be banned for this.

No one who finds the exploit is banned unless they're also discovered to be abusing the exploit massively.

Exactly.

Getting banned is for big league stuff like:

1) Back when paladin reckoning would accumulate charges from being hit, and didn't go off until you manually activated it - a player spent several hours getting melee whacked by a rogue with a dagger, and then went off to unload the resulting buildup on a raid boss, thereby one-shotting it.

2) More recently during an account restore Blizzard accidentally included a shirt with the power to insta-kill (think: GM command) any targeted unit, with 30 charges. Instead of reporting it, destroying it or etc, the person coordinated with his guild to go rack up world first boss kills in various raids.

Etc etc.

Finding ways of getting pets to retain pretty visual effects falls ohhh, several light years short of that...?

Taso wrote:Ollof, there's a crucial difference here based on your definition of "exploit."

An exploit requires that a bug/glitch is being abused.
In all of your examples, macros and /commands are what are being utilized, which is perfectly legitimate, if a little unsportsmanly.

With these pets, the bug comes into play with allowing a buff or visual effect to remain upon being tamed, which is a bug in the system being exploited for a permanent(or temporary in some cases) pet with said visual effect.

There's a demonstrable difference.

Acher won't be banned for this.

No one who finds the exploit is banned unless they're also discovered to be abusing the exploit massively.

People use macros to do things in game that are NOT humanly possible to create without a macro. Is that an exploit? Timing can produce the same results on some of the pets. The macro just makes it easy and work 100% of the time. Oil Stained Wolf/Bird are they exploits? I tamed them both with the SrS method...to achieve the same result as the abandon method. Are you telling me that they are both exploits, or that one is but the other is not?

Personally I like the timed death tame method. In essence you would call me a clicker/key turning pet tamer; because I do this thing, the slower, harder way. Could you imagine raiding or PvPing with only the ability to click or key turn?

TY so very much! I got a ghostpaw runner Always loved that skin. I had to strip off all my gear to get him to change into the ghost tho because I kept killing them in one shot, even with no weapons LOL

Personally? I loved the serpent sting method. I thought that was much more intense, and I used that to get both my knife-wolf and my oil-bird.

That being said, yes that is an exploit because the BUG being abused is that effects/buffs on tameable animals are intended to go away and have NO functional way of coming back. Instead, this method allows us to keep the buffs or effects. That is a bug in the coding of the game.

Macros, while they do something normally no human can do, are not a bug in the programming of the game, and are thus, fair game.

Just because you can't humanly do it doesn't mean it's unintended. Blizzard intentionally put macros in to make the game more manageable for instances where super-human reflexes would otherwise be quite helpful.

One clearly abuses a bug.
The other is something completely intended by Blizzard, regardless of its inhuman qualities.

Sorry for the misspelling of your name on the US forums. Also, in retrospect, the person who posted above me may have just been trying to let the devs know who to question (should they have any). I sort of jumped the gun because I don't like seeing people singled out of a group effort