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Reading Siliverin's post....I for one would LOVE to see the Robo-scorp color on Madexx's model....

Pent wrote: Royi... weren't you the other one upset about not getting the green Madexx and you got upset and said you had camped enough so you stopped? Or am I thinking of someone else? ... and wasn't this like over a month ago...? ...I am still at it.

Oh no i've never cared for Madexx personally, I tamed the Green one back in December just on a whim when I flew over, but never really used him (I always thought the Blue one looked best). I have seen 2 Red and one Black in the wild, and I have just let other hunters get them. Last weekend I flewover and found Blue Madexx. I studied him for a few moments, then decided I'd tame him, and I am pleasently happy with him, and actually using him.

Royi wrote:I wish you luck on Green Madexx.... do you know what you're going to do in WOW after you get him finally? You should try for Aeonaxx, you'll cant have any worse luck camping something right?

Depending on when I actually get him... and what is out to tame at the time (Hydras, maybe)... I might take a break from the hunter for a little bit.

Mount camping is a funny thing for me. Do I want a special cool looking mount? Yeah. Do I want to camp a long time for a mount when I already have a mount that works? Ehh... no, not really.

Mounts have no function passed them getting me places and since I have some now I don't see me camping TLPD or Aeonaxx. Will I run dungeons for mounts? Sure, because I might get better get in the process.

/putting in my 2 cents

I think Madexx, colour-wise, is fine the way he is. Like one poster mentioned already, his colours reflect those of the main 5 dragonflights, and taking even one of those away would subtract from that interesting theme.

However, Blizz really should shorten his respawn timer. Why? Because he's in a high traffic area, where there happens to be a quest to kill the common scorpids that spawn all around him. Even without the other classes being inducted with 7+ years of "rare, kill it!", how often do you think people just kill him accidently while doing the quest, mistaking him for another quest scorpid? I've done that a couple times with other rares (gathering Huntress claws in the Barrens, and accidently killing Dishu), so it's not impossible. Under these circumstances, 4-6 hours for his respawn timer would be reasonable; 12-whatever hours is not. I have yet to see any Madexx whatsoever on my server!

Cerah wrote:/putting in my 2 cents

I think Madexx, colour-wise, is fine the way he is. Like one poster mentioned already, his colours reflect those of the main 5 dragonflights, and taking even one of those away would subtract from that interesting theme.

However, Blizz really should shorten his respawn timer. Why? Because he's in a high traffic area, where there happens to be a quest to kill the common scorpids that spawn all around him. Even without the other classes being inducted with 7+ years of "rare, kill it!", how often do you think people just kill him accidently while doing the quest, mistaking him for another quest scorpid? I've done that a couple times with other rares (gathering Huntress claws in the Barrens, and accidently killing Dishu), so it's not impossible. Under these circumstances, 4-6 hours for his respawn timer would be reasonable; 12-whatever hours is not. I have yet to see any Madexx whatsoever on my server!

I mostly agree. Either shorten his respawn or put ALL colors on a common mob(no, I dont mean the cruddy color changers. I hate those with a passion). Cause damn this 12 - 26 hr business is BS. x.x;

i think just a shorter respawn timer should be kept anywhere from 4-12 hours max.

Royi wrote:i think just a shorter respawn timer should be kept anywhere from 4-12 hours max.

I'd go for 4 - 6 hrs cause he comes in 5 colors. anything higher than 8 is too much for a multi-colored scorpid.

I'd honestly go for 4-6 hours or so. Maybe 12. But this whole 5.5-24 is kinda redonk.

Novikova wrote:I'd honestly go for 4-6 hours or so. Maybe 12. But this whole 5.5-24 is kinda redonk.

Totally....and the average is 12.5 - 14 hrs.

Jessibelle wrote:

Novikova wrote:I'd honestly go for 4-6 hours or so. Maybe 12. But this whole 5.5-24 is kinda redonk.

Totally....and the average is 12.5 - 14 hrs.

10-15hrs from my studies. And thats 11 consecutive spawns, not missing any inbetween. So I think its safe to say 6-24 can be narrowed down to 10-15 99% of the time.

I do agree that rare spawns are meant to require more effort to get them. I also agree that if brown Madexx is kept on the spawn table, that they should make the colors have a set rotation (like someone mentioned about an iTunes playlist on repeat and/or shuffle... so that each color spawns once before starting over). To me that is the ideal fix, but meh... at the same time, you have an 80% chance *not* to get brown if/when you do find Madexx so... I dunno. You guys know my thoughts on this: they should have never made the common mob the same skin - BAM - fixed, lol.

The one thing I will disagree with most of you on is the shortening of the spawn timer. Its 10-15hrs for a reason. The same reason raid bosses have a 1% mount drop rate (or some low number). We probably wouldnt even be having this debate if Madexx was on a 4-8hr timer because everyone would have their color of choice by now Yes, thats being hypothetical, but you know what I mean. I dont see Blizz changing this in anyway so those of us that want the common scorpid mob removed/altered, so that brown Madexx can stay and be unique... well... you'll have to live with the 80% odds in your favor, and hope for the best

Teevo wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:

Novikova wrote:I'd honestly go for 4-6 hours or so. Maybe 12. But this whole 5.5-24 is kinda redonk.

Totally....and the average is 12.5 - 14 hrs.

10-15hrs from my studies. And thats 11 consecutive spawns, not missing any inbetween. So I think its safe to say 6-24 can be narrowed down to 10-15 99% of the time.

I do agree that rare spawns are meant to require more effort to get them. I also agree that if brown Madexx is kept on the spawn table, that they should make the colors have a set rotation (like someone mentioned about an iTunes playlist on repeat and/or shuffle... so that each color spawns once before starting over). To me that is the ideal fix, but meh... at the same time, you have an 80% chance *not* to get brown if/when you do find Madexx so... I dunno. You guys know my thoughts on this: they should have never made the common mob the same skin - BAM - fixed, lol.

The one thing I will disagree with most of you on is the shortening of the spawn timer. Its 10-15hrs for a reason. The same reason raid bosses have a 1% mount drop rate (or some low number). We probably wouldnt even be having this debate if Madexx was on a 4-8hr timer because everyone would have their color of choice by now Yes, thats being hypothetical, but you know what I mean. I dont see Blizz changing this in anyway so those of us that want the common scorpid mob removed/altered, so that brown Madexx can stay and be unique... well... you'll have to live with the 80% odds in your favor, and hope for the best

Mounts =/= Pets.

Thats comparing apples to oranges, I'm afraid. You dont have to camp mounts(not counting TLPD or Aeonaxx).

Jessibelle wrote:Thats comparing apples to oranges, I'm afraid. You dont have to camp mounts(not counting TLPD or Aeonaxx).

Technically you do. If someone really wants the Phoenix mount from TK, they will run that every week til they get it. May take you 3weeks, may take you 10mths. Its the same principle: grind out the effort to get your prize. Whether thats a bad comparison or not, it still goes back to what someone said earlier... rares are rare for a reason. I personally don't think 12hrs is that unreasonable, and thats coming from someone who works fulltime and lives on his own. Now... if you work and have a family to take care of or just dont have the time to camp for hours on end, then I feel for ya... cause that would suck not having too good of a chance to get your rare

Teevo wrote:

Jessibelle wrote:Thats comparing apples to oranges, I'm afraid. You dont have to camp mounts(not counting TLPD or Aeonaxx).

Technically you do. If someone really wants the Phoenix mount from TK, they will run that every week til they get it. May take you 3weeks, may take you 10mths. Its the same principle: grind out the effort to get your prize. Whether thats a bad comparison or not, it still goes back to what someone said earlier... rares are rare for a reason. I personally don't think 12hrs is that unreasonable, and thats coming from someone who works fulltime and lives on his own. Now... if you work and have a family to take care of or just dont have the time to camp for hours on end, then I feel for ya... cause that would suck not having too good of a chance to get your rare

It's not sitting there for hours on end. You just kill Alar and see if it drops. I've seen people solo it so some get lucky and have usually not competition while with pets, you're battling against anyone in that area. It's unreasonable even for someone like me. I work. I'm getting married. I've got stuff to do. It sucks to sit there and miss spawns because it's so long.

If you dont like lowering it, then we'll solve it for those who have lives(jobs, parenting, etc) and cant camp for those long hours....put all colors on common mobs. That way...those who want THE madexx can have him.....those who dont have time can still get the scorpid color they want and in the model they want.

Let me first say I am not trying to call anyone out, nor am I talking directly to anyone who is totally against the Madexx situation getting change in any way. I am also not going to quote anyone just because that would make me look like I am talking directly to (or about) them.

I can see most of the arguments against any change to Madexx as being from someone that either has the color of Madexx they want (or at least content with the color they have) already or they have no desire to have Madexx as a pet.

I have seen people comment on how they enjoy camping for a rare, and really... who doesn't like looking for a rare, but after a few days of looking for a rare I personally don't see how it could be fun if you have devoted 24hr-72hrs (at least) over a course of 3-4 days and you still haven't tamed the pet. Sure, it's awesome when you are there and the NPC alarms goes off and you frantically search for your Tame Beast skill... it's awesome when that happens if you have been there for 2hrs... or if you have been there for 9+ weeks. I don't know... maybe my "fun" and your "fun" are two different things. I don't mind camping for a pet for a few days, but I don't want it to take over why I log into WoW every day (which it has).


Now let's talk about complaining and what it can get you. I will use two examples... Rak'shiri and Karoma.

Rak'shiri first... There is a thread deep in the bowels of this site that was started pre-Cataclysm about Rak'shiri going to a different skin and color and a lot of people were upset and voiced their opinions. They didn't want her to change at all and were upset that Blizzard was taking the skin and color away from Rak'shiri and giving her a new skin. They said that they have had her since forever and didn't want to lose that skin/color.

I, along with some others, didn't see what the problem was.. I have had Rak'shiri in the past and loved the skin/color, but I also knew that the exact same skin/color was still going to be on a quest mob (Shy-Rotam) in the area so if I ever wanted the skin/color back I could easily just go tame Shy-Rotam. This wasn't good enough to some people so they kept complaining... well.. Blizzard released the next patch with Rak'shiri as the skin that everyone was upset over which added the skin in the game so non-NEs could have that model of cat. After a week or so people stopped complaining about the new look and just took it for granted that they had to deal with the new model....

Fast Forward two months or so... Blizzard has reverted the Rak'shiri change and soon Rak'shiri will be back to normal while the other Frostsabers in the area will get the skin that Rak'shiri had been post-Cataclysm.

Karoma's turn... Original thread was locked due to people getting out of hand because something was going down and a lot of hunters who had the Grimtotem Spirit Wolf (GTSW) was not too happy with... Blizzard was giving us a new Spirit Beast (SB) in the same model as the GTSW, and some people complained that it was taking away their pet's uniqueness. After it was found out that the GTSW was going to stay as a wolf and Karoma was going be a SB things settled down a little... but not much.

The initial complaint was the GTSW was never supposed to be tameable and a lot of hunters missed out because of their level or the inability to find friends to help with the tame before Blizzard removed the ability to tame it. The hunters who didn't have it as a pet complained that it was a cool looking skin and should be available to other hunters... and some time later (years?) Karoma showed up on the Cataclysm beta which threw a lot of people into a frenzy.

Next up... Ghost Hydra, maybe.


The point is that if people don't voice their opinions then where would WoW be now? Where would some of our pets be?

I don't remember complaining about anything else as much as I am complaining about Madexx. I really believe what I am talking about with Madexx needs to be addressed in some fashion... be it spawn timer, color rotation, or putting the colors and skin on multiple common non-color changing mobs.

I have said it in the past and I will say it again... it doesn't matter if I tame a green Madexx in 15min or if I already had the green one tamed... my opinion on this is set in stone and I don't believe anyone should have to go through what I am going through to get a specific color. I am not greedy, and I am not doing this all for me. I am not fighting this fight specifically for me, but for everyone out there that sees Madexx as being a problem in some way.

Everyone should have to work for gear and gold, but you shouldn't have to work for a wanted companion for too long.

Teevo wrote:Now... if you work and have a family to take care of or just dont have the time to camp for hours on end, then I feel for ya... cause that would suck not having too good of a chance to get your rare

That's the people that I am trying to help out... along with anyone else.

Ah Pent. I support everything you just said. You said it much better than I. Madexx does need to be addressed and I think Blizzard will with all the complaints on here and WoW Forums.

If you take away the hard-to-obtain part of rare hunting, I bet this forum would lose half its followers. Its a calling. A hobby, if you will. Heck.. for some people, its like a second job LOL. So no, unfortunately not everyone can put in the same time. But WoWs got a pretty good handle on it in my opinion... appeasing all sides. Think about it... theres rare/unique pets , rare pets that share the same skin as an easier-to-obtain mob, cool-looking common pets, color variations for almost all types... we really dont give the creators of these pets we love enough credit sometimes. Myself included, as I tend to want a few things changed as well.

So maybe thats why they left the brown Madexx in there. For players out there who just cant put in the time for good reasons, they can go tame a venomscale spitter and have the Madexx skin. Now that I think about it, thats fine. But at the same time, thats coming from someone who's finished their Madexx hunt... and also someone who never personally ran into brown, so maybe I'm biased. Here... IM FINE WITH HOW THINGS ARE. Done, lol.

Teevo wrote: But at the same time, thats coming from someone who's finished their Madexx hunt... and also someone who never personally ran into brown, so maybe I'm biased. Here... IM FINE WITH HOW THINGS ARE. Done, lol.

Pent wrote:I can see most of the arguments against any change to Madexx as being from someone that either has the color of Madexx they want (or at least content with the color they have) already or they have no desire to have Madexx as a pet.

See? I am right.

Teevo, you had an incredibly lucky run.

I started the Madexx camp pretty much around the same time as Pent but I wanted blue. I didn't finish my camp until early Feb. Because of my visual impairment, I cannot pull long constant camps so I know I missed a large number of spawns. However I was also working with two other hunters in different time zones and the only blue seen by either of them was a dead one while I was sleeping. I saw him spawn just over five hours after one spawn to nearly 24 hours after the last. In the 24 hour case, there were several of us camping constantly, so we're fairly sure we didn't miss a spawn.

He needs a change! Best option is to drastically shorten his timer. 6 hours tops for a respawn would be very nice. I'd even love to see him spawning in a set order. When you start your camp, you might not know where in the order you are. Or I'd like to see his colours on common mobs in other zones. I love my rares, really I do, but even my camp for TLPD didn't break me as much as Madexx did. I love Madexx's skin. He was the first scorpy I liked. I want him on other hunters but the prospect of camping him again for the colours I want on those hunters is enough to give me nightmares.

You said your Madexx hunt lasted from mid-late December til early February, right? Say your 5hr and 24hr respawns are accurate.. it is possible that Blizz hotfixed him to be more consistent, aka 10-15hrs. I didn't really begin "camping" him (spending hours straight flying by/sitting) until I got lucky and found a back-to-back spawn around the 21st, which gave me the inclination (along with wowhead and Petopia info) to be around for the 12hr-ish mark, give or take an hour or two. Thus I stumbled upon my research results.

And lucky? I wouldn't describe camping northern Uldum for who knows how many hours as lucky. Nor would I call it healthy I havent read about too many people finding as many consecutive spawns as I did, but I wanted to make sure I was onto something. So I was there.. each time.. from the 11hr mark (later changed to 10) to the 15hr mark.. twice a day for 7 days. If I can catch on to his respawn timer, anyone else can too. Just gotta find him once (or have someone tell you when they found him), then its up to you to show up 10-15hrs after.

Edit: So technically... if you know when his last spawn was, you only have to camp him for 5hrs or so. Not a full 12. So if you think of it that way, thats good news