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Sasrei wrote:I think the bag should go for everyone, dps works just as hard as the tank (I sometimes end up tanking with my pet more then the tank) that in itself would make more people want to que up mostly cause I am dps, never tanked or healed and dont really wanna..

Royi wrote:

Sasrei wrote:I think the bag should go for everyone, dps works just as hard as the tank (I sometimes end up tanking with my pet more then the tank) that in itself would make more people want to que up mostly cause I am dps, never tanked or healed and dont really wanna..

If the bag goes for everyone, then there still would be the problem of waiting 35-45 minutes for a dungeon as a dps. It would not increase the amount of healers or tanks to queue up for a dungeon. Blizzard is doing this to get lower queue times for all, not to keep everything the same.

In all honesty if you dont want to level up a healer or tank or dont care to play them, then this would just be a benefit to those that do and you'll be out of luck. Sure you get left out, but theres things that benefit certain classes over others in this game.

Personally I would love a Warlock fire horse mount on a character, but since I dont like playing Warlocks should I be given this mount on my Hunter to make it fair for those people who dont like playing Warlocks?

Jessibelle wrote: Hate to tell you but the bag won't help either tho to just be given to tanks/healers. I deal with far too many failtanks/failheals. This is just gonna give people more incentive to que up for what role they DONT actually play but just want the bag.

Vephriel wrote:

Jessibelle wrote: Hate to tell you but the bag won't help either tho to just be given to tanks/healers. I deal with far too many failtanks/failheals. This is just gonna give people more incentive to que up for what role they DONT actually play but just want the bag.

Sure they can queue up if they're a horrible tank/healer, but they have to complete the entire dungeon in order to get the bag. If they're really that bad, they're going to get kicked or not survive to the end, so it encourages people playing well and learning to play a prime role in order to gain the rewards. This isn't a shortcut to be used by anyone with the ability to take advantage of a Tank or Healer role...they have to work for it to earn the bonus. I think this will have a more positive impact by forcing many people who are lackluster to shape up and better their performance in order to reach that goal.

Vephriel wrote:

Jessibelle wrote: Hate to tell you but the bag won't help either tho to just be given to tanks/healers. I deal with far too many failtanks/failheals. This is just gonna give people more incentive to que up for what role they DONT actually play but just want the bag.

Sure they can queue up if they're a horrible tank/healer, but they have to complete the entire dungeon in order to get the bag. If they're really that bad, they're going to get kicked or not survive to the end, so it encourages people playing well and learning to play a prime role in order to gain the rewards. This isn't a shortcut to be used by anyone with the ability to take advantage of a Tank or Healer role...they have to work for it to earn the bonus. I think this will have a more positive impact by forcing many people who are lackluster to shape up and better their performance in order to reach that goal.

Sasrei wrote:Umm actually what is going to happen is failtanks and failheals getted qued, get everyone killed and then noone can kick em for 2 hours so you either try repeatedly on one boss or mob to just die countless times, raking up you repair bills to essentially get the same thing you would have had you done, you just get less of a chance of tank/healer who knows what the heck they are doing, so then youlld drop dungeon.. wait 15 mins to get into another dungeon but who are kidding itll probably take what.. 10 mins to get in still.. so I really dont see the huge difference, just in repair bills, frustration, and insults to the tanks/healers and dps.

noone likes pugging.. there is a reason that is so lol

still doesnt take away the fact that I do have alot of guild tanks who would rather go with guildies, its more fun, and thats what blizzard wants.. the guilds to do more guild things together, now guilds will no longer be able to group together

Vasken wrote:It's a shame that DPSers have such long waits (irritates me on my hunter!), but your job is genuinely slightly easier and less stressfull in comparison, in my opinion at least. Still, it's hard to determine if this'll work out without trying. Hopefully it'll reduce wait times! The mounts/pets that have a chance of dropping are easily farmable with most classes, I'm not too sure why people are a little worked up about them.

Verchiel wrote: As a tank I can say that this would genuinely incentivize me to queue for more than a single random a day. Currently I run my one random (usually queueing single), get my VP, maybe an orb, and I'm done for the day. I don't need the gear, the money's not that great, and knowing that there's a resonable changce that 2 or more others will roll against me for the orb discourages me from doing more than one a day. Once I don't need the VP, what's my incentive? Maybe I'm in the minority, but I honestly don't mind running a heroic with four random group members so long as there are adequate rewards, and this would constitute an adequate reward. I agree that this may unfairly favor tanks, but other classes need to balance their desire for retaining item exclusivity/rarity with their desire for lower queue times. The solution may not be perfect, but I'm not seeing many alternatives suggested by the community, and this seems like a simple, elegant way to address the community's primary problem directly with minimal change to the system overall (so that it can be implemented as soon as possible).

Magicstixs wrote: You know when I first saw this I thought finally a bandaid for the queue times. Then I read all the comments about people complaining and thought there is something seriously wrong with our society. Here is my opinion on the matter.
1. Queue times will be lower for pure dps classes. That's a win. No longer will you have to just sit around waiting cause you finished all your daily quests and you have done enough gathering to fill your bags twice. Stop complaining. Less queue times mean you get your VP faster.
2. Incentive. We have a lack of tanks and healers in the game. Period. Although some opinions suggest it's not enough it's something to get folks and it won't currupt the game economy no more than Tanks and healers selling their queue times.
3. It's a mount and you are an 85 clothie. You can run Stratholm or Sethek Halls in ten minutes and get the dang thing or just be a tank and hope the thing drops which will probably have a low drop rate. Having the pretty mount doesn't make you a valuable person to have in a group. Get over it.

In closing the Random Dungeon tool is an innovation and if you remember when it wasn't around and you had to beg in trade chat for a run you thank your lucky stars for having it. We live in a society that has more followers than leaders. That's why we have a lack of tanks and healers. Everyone just want's to sit back and pew pew. Because of this there will always be a lack of tanks and healers. This "bandaid" at least gives an incentive for tanks to run multiple times. You are going to want this so bad when blizz makes the switch to earning max VP in one day and you find no one is running a dungeon on a monday. Thank you Blizzard for trying to make the experiance of a dps better. And please, please don't listen to folks who like to complain just to complain.

Sasrei wrote: still doesnt take away the fact that I do have alot of guild tanks who would rather go with guildies, its more fun, and thats what blizzard wants.. the guilds to do more guild things together, now guilds will no longer be able to group together

Aleu wrote:Didn't they say you can only have a chance at the mounts dropping from the bags if you complete the dungeon the mount drops from? Such as, if you're leveling a tank (I say Tank because I honestly believe no other role will get it besides tank. Maybe Healer) and got into a heroic Sethekk Halls. I believe then you have a chance at the Raven Lord mount, but once you out level that dungeon you may no longer have a chance at it. This would mean max level characters still have to grind it out. If not... Then just make it have the same drop rate as the actual dungeon drop. >>

Xakaal wrote:

Sasrei wrote: still doesnt take away the fact that I do have alot of guild tanks who would rather go with guildies, its more fun, and thats what blizzard wants.. the guilds to do more guild things together, now guilds will no longer be able to group together

I agree, though my guild which i still love to death is well, dead.. no ones logged on for well over a week now ;^; other guilds that are actually active do take advantage of the system where they get together and run things for guild exp and reputation. I like that idea more cause i really enjoyed it when i ran with my guildies through dungeons ^-^

sadly though Call To Arms is only for those who are Pugging rather then grouping... >_>;;

Jessibelle wrote:Royi....I'd like to point out....two places I've run for 2 years.

Sethikk Halls: Seen ravenlord ONCE. i gave it to my friend rather than taking it for myself cause it was her dream mount. Haven't seen it since.

Magister's Terrace: Seen White Hawkstrider once. I have it on my druid. Haven't seen it since for Jessi.

Stratholme: Never once seen the stupid mount there. ><;

... the guilds to do more guild things together, now guilds will no longer be able to group together.

Ziarre wrote:Thing is...they don't get the goodies just for hitting the queue button. They have to stick the dungeon out to the end, and Cata heroics have enough mechanics involved that it's usually less than a faceroll. In short, you have to be good enough to keep your party alive until the end boss is dead. While I was infuriated by this at first, I soon realized that farming your chosen instance for a mount you want is probably still easier than doing a Call to Arms and hoping you win the goody-bag lottery.