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Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:13 pm**

Jessibelle wrote:I am stubborn cause you're demanding proof when you yourself cannot provide your own. I never once said I had proof beyond Ponderance's word and my own eyes. But the proof required here is live servers...not PTR. i never once said it wasnt work on the PTR but things change a lot on the ptr. So it's never definite there. Live servers are usually pretty set in stone/this is how it is sort of thing.

So thats my story and stickin to it.

EDIT: Cae it wasn't directed at you. You're one of the few presenting a good argument.

Oh honestly.

Listen to yourself. You're saying what Ponderance and you saw with your own eyes is more accurate than what we saw with our own eyes. And, for the third time, we observed these timers ON LIVE, not just the PTR. You continue to discount our information as inaccurate, even the information from live. You are not making a logical argument; you are sticking to your original point without actually listening to anything that's been said afterwards.

Even if you throw out the PTR information, our observations from live servers are more than enough to counter yours on the same level of personal observation "proof."

TL;DR: If you discount our observations from live, you have to discount yours and Pond's too, since there's no difference in the actual "proof" otherwise.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:18 pm**

Zuilu wrote:Jess, you're getting quite spiteful with the whole debate, I'd really suggest just stepping away from the thread, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. :I

I'm not. I'm actually in a very good mood. I've been doing other things in the mean time. I've not once shot a personal attack.

Kalli: you've never once mentioned live. You said "On PTR" only. Maybe you should stop for a moment and rethink the argument. Leave out anything involving the PTR. Anything before 4.0.1(Pond mentioned thats when the cap was lifted I think). Then type it out and present it rather than get personal.

So I'll not reply further until thats done.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:22 pm**

My patience is really wearing thin with your attitude. Rereading her posts, Kalliope has mentioned testing on live realms 4 times now, you just refuse to listen. Stop and read her posts before just retorting your argument about how false PTR is over and over.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:27 pm**

Jessibelle wrote:Kalli: you've never once mentioned live. You said "On PTR" only. Maybe you should stop for a moment and rethink the argument. Leave out anything involving the PTR. Anything before 4.0.1(Pond mentioned thats when the cap was lifted I think). Then type it out and present it rather than get personal.

So I'll not reply further until thats done.

Zuilu already said what I've been trying to get you to see. Please reread my earlier posts carefully.

I haven't called you anything more than stubborn, so I don't know what you're talking about with "personal attacks."

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:35 pm**

Kalliope wrote:
Jessibelle wrote:Kalli: you've never once mentioned live. You said "On PTR" only. Maybe you should stop for a moment and rethink the argument. Leave out anything involving the PTR. Anything before 4.0.1(Pond mentioned thats when the cap was lifted I think). Then type it out and present it rather than get personal.

So I'll not reply further until thats done.
Zuilu already said what I've been trying to get you to see. Please reread my earlier posts carefully.

I haven't called you anything more than stubborn, so I don't know what you're talking about with "personal attacks."

I just did and again....you never mentioned live servers. You mentioned 4.2 PTR testing. I wasn't being mean when I said you didn't say live testing. You really didn't mention anything of the sort. All you kept mentioning was 4.2 PTR testing. I'll admit, Deth'tilac probably wasn't the best example cause the cap was lifted by then.

I'm not sure why Zui is getting upset about cause I already admitted she was right. Ponderance did say he saw more up after 4.0.1.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:42 pm**

For whatever it's worth...

Kalliope wrote:After a good number of us from these very forums camped the hell out of the Molten Front for 4.2, we found the exact same spawn timers as on live servers.

Kalliope wrote:We saw stable timers from all ten of the new rares on the PTR for a solid month. The only time that the timers were dodgy was when the servers weren't stable. We observed the exact same timers on live in the first couple of weeks, since a lot of us were still out there consistently then.

The first bold is Kalli's and the second is mine. Not taking sides, merely pointing out what may have been missed due to being placed immediately after mentions of the PTR.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:43 pm**

Jessibelle wrote:I just did and again....you never mentioned live servers. You mentioned 4.2 PTR testing. I wasn't being mean when I said you didn't say live testing. You really didn't mention anything of the sort. All you kept mentioning was 4.2 PTR testing. I'll admit, Deth'tilac probably wasn't the best example cause the cap was lifted by then.

Oh, I didn't?

Kalliope wrote:We observed the exact same timers on live in the first couple of weeks, since a lot of us were still out there consistently then.

Kalliope wrote:We did plenty of testing on live too, Jessibelle, a fact that you continue to choose to ignore because it doesn't support your argument. It is not right for you to say we're wrong simply because we're not Ponderance. We put in just as much work.

Kalliope wrote:And, for the third time, we observed these timers ON LIVE, not just the PTR. You continue to discount our information as inaccurate, even the information from live. You are not making a logical argument; you are sticking to your original point without actually listening to anything that's been said afterwards.

Even if you throw out the PTR information, our observations from live servers are more than enough to counter yours on the same level of personal observation "proof."

TL;DR: If you discount our observations from live, you have to discount yours and Pond's too, since there's no difference in the actual "proof" otherwise.

Those are all quoted from earlier posts that you clearly didn't read.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:47 pm**

I'm getting upset because you're extremely disrespectful to people here day in and day out, and because you're acting very condescending to Kalli.

both of their spawn timers were documented on the beta/PTR as they are on live.

We observed the exact same timers on live

We did plenty of testing on live too, Jessibelle

for the third time, we observed these timers ON LIVE

No one should have to repeat something so simple 4 times and still get ignored.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:52 pm**

Alright, Guys. This has *definitely* spun out of control. Post has been reported and polite request made for closing. If I may, I suggest letting things die here before things end up getting worse.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:42 pm**

I'm not being disrespectful by any means. I've not been condescending either. I'm not rude to anyone unless they snap at me first or post to me in a very rude, cliquish manner. I'm sorry you feel that way but I've done nothing wrong.

I'll admit, I didn't see anything mentioning live but I will point out she said "4.2 Molten Front Rares" when we're talking about northrend rares(My bad kinda too cause I mentioned Deth'tilac and Madexx) so yes I did ignore that cause this was about Northrend Rares. Molten Front rares dont have a cap, never have.

Either way, I agree with Kurasu. I mentioned it several posts back that we should just drop this and let it be closed. If you got a personal tiff with me, PM me and we'll talk it out.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:49 pm**

I apologize for not stating this clearly before, but will remedy that here:

Some of the testing I referred to that was done on live was on Nesingwary regarding multiple rares being up at once in Northrend. This was done before Pond made his retraction. We don't have any more offered proof than our word than Ponderance did for his, so you can believe it or not as you choose. Just realize that neither claim is substantiated with definite proof.

Thanks for listening; makes it easier to clarify.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:07 pm**

Kalliope wrote:I apologize for not stating this clearly before, but will remedy that here:

Some of the testing I referred to that was done on live was on Nesingwary regarding multiple rares being up at once in Northrend. This was done before Pond made his retraction. We don't have any more offered proof than our word than Ponderance did for his, so you can believe it or not as you choose. Just realize that neither claim is substantiated with definite proof.

Thanks for listening; makes it easier to clarify.

Of course. I'm sorry if i came off as if like "pond knows all!" or anything.

That is an interesting thing though. I've only witnessed 3 rares up at once. Pond said only 2 can be up at once at the time so maybe it didn't exist. maybe it did but it was more than 2 or 3. Who knows. I guess it'll be one of those unsolved mysteries cause blizz never will give us a direct answer, huh?

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:25 pm**

Jessibelle wrote:That is an interesting thing though. I've only witnessed 3 rares up at once. Pond said only 2 can be up at once at the time so maybe it didn't exist. maybe it did but it was more than 2 or 3. Who knows. I guess it'll be one of those unsolved mysteries cause blizz never will give us a direct answer, huh?

As Kurasu posted earlier in the thread.....it was debunked. But since there's no official blue post on the matter, you can believe it or not as you choose.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:30 pm**

i probably will believe there was a cap of some kind. 3 or more to say the least. But yeah....damn you blizz for never wanting to be clear on things. ><;

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:16 pm**

Kurasu wrote:
Kirsten wrote:Sorry, but furthermore, I have screenshot proof that that's a rumor because I found more than half of my northrend rare achievement in twenty minutes. (That I just thought of and saw on my facebook to see the timestamps of the WoW clock.)
Think you could link the page here? I'd be interested in seeing a 'twenty minute half-Frostbitten run' just in general!

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