I'm just saying with MMO Champ did....Kahane wrote:http://www.wowhead.com/mists-of-pandari ... culator#ox
People don't have to take Grimoire of Supremacy. There are the two other Grimoire talents in that bracket, and if the damage output of the new demons proves too powerful, it'll probably be nerfed to bring it in line with those other talents.
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I'm just making sure that the rest of the information is laid out; full context is needed, because 'the shiny new demons deal more damage' still doesn't tell you everything, even if it is more useful than 'the shiny new demons are shiny and new'.Jessibelle wrote:I'm just saying with MMO Champ did....
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MMO Champ didn't say much more on it other than that. So I wonder what the other grims will do to make up for it...Kahane wrote:I'm just making sure that the rest of the information is laid out; full context is needed, because 'the shiny new demons deal more damage' still doesn't tell you everything, even if it is more useful than 'the shiny new demons are shiny and new'.Jessibelle wrote:I'm just saying with MMO Champ did....
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Grimoire of Service: Instantly summon a second demon, who fights for 30 seconds. 2 minute cooldown.
Grimoire of Sacrifice: you sacrifice your demon to gain 15% increased damage and health. Lasts for 15 minutes. This effect is doubled for the first 15 seconds. 2 minute cooldown.
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It wouldn't surprise me if some of these are tweaked during the beta, to keep them in line with each other. Supremacy sounds cooler, and obviously has the more immediate visual impact, but sacrifice has been part of the warlock's kit in some form or another ever since vaniilla, and the ability to have two demons active at one is something that should appeal to anyone who loves the 'normal' selection of demons.
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Doesn't look that way to me. a 10% increase all the time and the other two are just 30 sec burst damage. I think I'll take the one that helps me through the whole fight...just not a 100 dps increase for a few seconds where timing is everything.GormanGhaste wrote:Yes, looking at the other two grimoires, it actually looks like the stronger new demons are the lowest dps increase.
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The Grimoire of Service actually gives you a second summon demon spell, which is the grimoire itself, but acts exactly as the summon spell. You can chose which demon you'll summon, so you can have a duo of succubus if you want to, or a felhunter and voidwalker team. However the second demon doesn't have a pet bar, and seems to just be a dps cooldown, I honestly havent checked if they use their skills or just auto attack, I'll get back to it once I check it out more in depth. Either way, I'm sure they can try to make Supremacy and Service about equal in dps and damage so we can chose which one we prefer the most.
As for Grimoire of Sacrifice, I'm suspecting we will have to use that talent on boss fights that are very pet unfriendly.
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Sorry I didn't really notice what you said there. Only the Service talent is a 30 sec burst damage. Sacrifice last 15 minutes or until you summon a demon again.Jessibelle wrote:Doesn't look that way to me. a 10% increase all the time and the other two are just 30 sec burst damage. I think I'll take the one that helps me through the whole fight...just not a 100 dps increase for a few seconds where timing is everything.
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I want to use this talent, but only if my voidwalker, Throkmon, gets to keep his old name when he's upgraded.
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@MakoesMakoes wrote:Now if the felhound was replaced with THIS, It would be awsome.
It would be better if he was added to the core hound family.
My warlock was the third toon to get to max level during Cata. I ended up pushed off it to the side and used it only as a farming toon for when I need potions and transmutes. Now I'm holding out untill late in the beta to see them finalize the talents before I decided this or that talent just because it makes my imp look green and nasty.
Then again I've wondered why they didn't make a glyph all ready that changes the look of your Voidwalker to a Voidlord or Voidcaller
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I do know that when I do get my beta invite, this will be something I will be bringing to the attention of blizzard.
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I'll probably bring it up too. This seems a better choice of upgrade for the felpuppy.Makoes wrote:Considering that so far, after the overhaul that pets went through and the mass amount of new (skins) tamable beasts we got, including Chromaggus, and the void terrors did NOT make it as tamable hunter pets, and STILL remain classified as demons...and considering how ALL the other warlock demons "New" forms (blob aside) LOOK like upgraded versions of their current counterparts, the Void terror makes the fitting upgrade for the felhound over the pulsing butt blob that is current (beta).
I do know that when I do get my beta invite, this will be something I will be bringing to the attention of blizzard.